setset31
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Ill try and stay on topic as much as possible but Im gonna be pretty detailed in explaining my personal experiences with test booster/ ai's because im getting pretty confused at this point in my life with them.
Currently Im trying to find some natty products that will improve my test levels, I dont think I necessarily suffer from low test but I think I have noticed my test dropping some over the past few years compared to where they were at when I was 18 to 24. That makes sense I guess but I never knew what that natural slow drop was gonna start to fell like, and it seems like its manifesting mostly in a decrease in energy, libido, and possibly recovery.
The past 2 experiences that Ive had with trying to boost my test naturally were taking regular chelated boron at 9mg a day, and after that I bought alphamax because of the ridiculously low price as well as good profile. There were 2 aspects to it that I was somewhat uneasy about and I dont know if they affected my experience with it but they may have. Before I go into my experience with alphamax Id like to point out some confusion Im having over boron at this point. I used viron years ago when it first came out and I definitely experienced an increase in test and dht that I could feel cleary, and also actually felt like when I came off of it I was experiencing almost a suppression like feeling in the absense of it. I know that product has tongali in it as well so I dont know what portion of my results were do to the boron or that, either way it compelled me to believe in the possible efficacy of boron. There is a new test boosting product that Im looking at closely from CEL called m test that has 200mg of the same exact form of boron thats in viron but its claiming that the 200mg of citrate only supplies 10mg of boron. Is this scientificaly accurate? I love the whole profile but I dont want to get boron poisoning. If anyone can answer this boron question I really appreciate it. The second thing I was somewhat opposed to is supplementing with ZMA, in the past it seem like taking ZMA supplements didnt really agree with me.
So on to my experience with alphamax, for the first week held completely to the dosage instructions but then for week 2 and 3 I cut it in half. I had to discontinue after 3 weeks because I was experiencing a lot of the symptoms of low or non estrogen. My low estrogen was getting so bad that it felt as if I was unable to synthesize dopamine or seritonin and I had no appetite. Normally my appetite is burdensome and I have had issues with my mood here and there but this was unjustified feelings of complete hopelesness towards my existence brought on by no events, as soon as I connected that my hormones being out of balance may be the cause and I discontinued within 2 days my mood improved drastically.
Before this when I used just boron chelate it seemed like my test jumped up very quickly and after 3 weeks I discontinued after I went through 2 days of uncontrollable sobbing while watching things like espn, or Rocky marathons, Rocky 1 and 2 had me experience 5 different sobbing spells. This quickly made me assume my lack of a real AI was making my estrogen rise out of control. I know boron supposedly cuts estrogen down but I can say Ive never experienced crying or high estrogen symptoms like that before and I took some pretty heavy duty prohormones that cause people estrogen related issues and I never used any AI's with them and had 0 issues, so this was bizarre.
Sorry for the length of this and Im trying to wrap it up, I apprecate anyone who has got this far. At this point im trying to figure out if the AI in alphamax was too hidg dosed, and the test boosting aspects of it werent really ramping up my test enough to cause the necessary boost in estrogen to need that AI. When I took that ingredient seperately after it replaced was was in OG erase I was not a big fan and couldnt full dose it. I enjoyed OG erase much better, especially being able to control dosage easier and not having to splits up caps to dose lower. I know people claim that OG erases ingredient doesnt effect estrogen at all but to me it seemed like it did.
If anyone can offer over some opinions or help me trouble shoot on why im not doing well with these all in one test boosters or AI's Id really appreciate it. One thing I figured id mention is that ive run AI sports massulari 3 times and felt fantastic and never had any negative sides from it, and I know that ingredient is supposd to be an AI. I also had good results with maca and certain nettle products. The stuff im strongly considering right now are the CEL product M test that I mentioned, a couple of the evomuse products due to their unique profile, PA products, and epi products.
Currently Im trying to find some natty products that will improve my test levels, I dont think I necessarily suffer from low test but I think I have noticed my test dropping some over the past few years compared to where they were at when I was 18 to 24. That makes sense I guess but I never knew what that natural slow drop was gonna start to fell like, and it seems like its manifesting mostly in a decrease in energy, libido, and possibly recovery.
The past 2 experiences that Ive had with trying to boost my test naturally were taking regular chelated boron at 9mg a day, and after that I bought alphamax because of the ridiculously low price as well as good profile. There were 2 aspects to it that I was somewhat uneasy about and I dont know if they affected my experience with it but they may have. Before I go into my experience with alphamax Id like to point out some confusion Im having over boron at this point. I used viron years ago when it first came out and I definitely experienced an increase in test and dht that I could feel cleary, and also actually felt like when I came off of it I was experiencing almost a suppression like feeling in the absense of it. I know that product has tongali in it as well so I dont know what portion of my results were do to the boron or that, either way it compelled me to believe in the possible efficacy of boron. There is a new test boosting product that Im looking at closely from CEL called m test that has 200mg of the same exact form of boron thats in viron but its claiming that the 200mg of citrate only supplies 10mg of boron. Is this scientificaly accurate? I love the whole profile but I dont want to get boron poisoning. If anyone can answer this boron question I really appreciate it. The second thing I was somewhat opposed to is supplementing with ZMA, in the past it seem like taking ZMA supplements didnt really agree with me.
So on to my experience with alphamax, for the first week held completely to the dosage instructions but then for week 2 and 3 I cut it in half. I had to discontinue after 3 weeks because I was experiencing a lot of the symptoms of low or non estrogen. My low estrogen was getting so bad that it felt as if I was unable to synthesize dopamine or seritonin and I had no appetite. Normally my appetite is burdensome and I have had issues with my mood here and there but this was unjustified feelings of complete hopelesness towards my existence brought on by no events, as soon as I connected that my hormones being out of balance may be the cause and I discontinued within 2 days my mood improved drastically.
Before this when I used just boron chelate it seemed like my test jumped up very quickly and after 3 weeks I discontinued after I went through 2 days of uncontrollable sobbing while watching things like espn, or Rocky marathons, Rocky 1 and 2 had me experience 5 different sobbing spells. This quickly made me assume my lack of a real AI was making my estrogen rise out of control. I know boron supposedly cuts estrogen down but I can say Ive never experienced crying or high estrogen symptoms like that before and I took some pretty heavy duty prohormones that cause people estrogen related issues and I never used any AI's with them and had 0 issues, so this was bizarre.
Sorry for the length of this and Im trying to wrap it up, I apprecate anyone who has got this far. At this point im trying to figure out if the AI in alphamax was too hidg dosed, and the test boosting aspects of it werent really ramping up my test enough to cause the necessary boost in estrogen to need that AI. When I took that ingredient seperately after it replaced was was in OG erase I was not a big fan and couldnt full dose it. I enjoyed OG erase much better, especially being able to control dosage easier and not having to splits up caps to dose lower. I know people claim that OG erases ingredient doesnt effect estrogen at all but to me it seemed like it did.
If anyone can offer over some opinions or help me trouble shoot on why im not doing well with these all in one test boosters or AI's Id really appreciate it. One thing I figured id mention is that ive run AI sports massulari 3 times and felt fantastic and never had any negative sides from it, and I know that ingredient is supposd to be an AI. I also had good results with maca and certain nettle products. The stuff im strongly considering right now are the CEL product M test that I mentioned, a couple of the evomuse products due to their unique profile, PA products, and epi products.
