I am not sure if this is for me or the OP. I haven't tried any of the super DMZ line up except for 2.0 which is basically M-sten and DMZ. The first time I used it without a test base and the lethargy was killer. I also ran into some BP issues (it was nosebleeds so jumping to a conclusion here). When I ran it with Dermatr3st, kingsguard, and exmestane I didn't have either of this issues but did get some bloat. Gains seemed to come fast and leave fast so not sure if my PCT was bunk or if it's the nature of those compounds. To be honest, dealing with 2 methyls liver support with TUDCA (kingsguard/Ageis are some options) is a must.