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Test and Sarms cycle for lean bulk?

Youngdumbroke

Youngdumbroke

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==>Hello guyss!<==

I will start logging when i start the cycle.
Need advice on starting a new cycle in 2 months which is going to be my first injectible one, I have done a few cycles of sarms only before and got decent results with moderate dosages and wanna start a pinning cycle. Till date i have my blood markers pretty decent and not messed up as i have done good pct and post pct training and supps. So my goal is to get the most out this cycle and keep my natural test levels and blood markers unhindered (im not planning to go on trt)

CYCLE:
Test-e : 250/250/250/250/250/250/250/250/250/250
Lgd 4033: 0/0/10/10/15/15/15/15/15/15
mk677: 0/0/0/0/15/15/15/15
test is split dosed twice weekly and mk677 at before bed, LGD pre workout.
Might up the LGD based on sides.
PCT:
tamoxifen: 20/20/20/20/10/10
clomid: 25/25/25/25/0/0
post pct supps:
  • Vitamin D3 (2000 IU/day)
  • Magnesium glycinate (300mg before bed)
  • Zinc (25–40mg/day)
  • Fish oil (2g EPA/DHA/day)
  • Ashwagandha (600 mg/day)

Training, background, diet, Stats
Training 2+years,
height: 167cm (5.5feet)
weight: 75kg (165lbs)
current bf%: <18% ( just came of a bulk, will lower it before cycle)
Diet: eggs, chicken, rice, milk, yogurt, whey, oatmeal
suppliments: creatine, multivitamin, fish oil.

Training split:
mon: chest and tri( strenght)
tue: back and bi
wed: legs and shoulders
thurs: chest and tri( hypertrophy)
friday: back and bi
sat: shoulders, traps, forearms
2x cardio and once abs
Note: Kindly critique my cycle and any suggestions are greatly appreciated, im not sure about my pct might tweak it a lil bit according to suggestions, I have kept the test low because of binding affinity of LGD is higher that of test so excess free test might convert in Estrogen and dht and give sides. Correct me if im wrong, im just tryna figure out what gives most gains for least sides and
will not mess my baseline hormones. suggest some on cycle supplements according to the cycle. i will get my blood work before starting the cycle. I will use a 1ml syringe with 27 or 28 Gauge, 1Inch needle.

Questions:
i eat about 170grams protein should i up it?
as i have kept test low, should i up the LGD in order for more gains
what are some good on cycle supplements
is AI on hand really that important for a low dose test
which part of body would be least painful to inject
thoughts about insulin syringe administration.
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Don't waste your first injectable cycle, Testosterone is probably going to be too low to notice much other than it being a test base. So I wouldn't expect to gain much more then your previous sarm cycle. I would bump up to 375 right out the gate if your only going 10 weeks, it's going to be 5 weeks in before your actually on that 375 anyways. I'm not one to kickstart, but if your gonna go 8 weeks on LGD and the whole cycle is 10 weeks, I'd just do 10 with LGD also.

But, id actually rather see the cycle look more like this. If I was pre planning this cycle based off The limited knowledge I have of you......

Test 375, 375, 375, 375, 375, 375, 375, 375, 375, 375
LGD starting week 8 and finishing week 13 (3 weeks past your testosterone)
10,20,20,20,30,30. (If I was running lgd for myself I would just do 50 mg a week for 6 weeks) Now that would be stupid expensive compared to tbol or var and LGD is roughly the same mg vs mg so I'd probably opt for var or tbol (and mind you lgd is my favorite sarm)

Id skip mk677 unless you have a hard time eating and in that situation I would only use it when you needed to boost an appetite but there's not a ton of other benefits you're really going to get out of it. It is not a replacement for HGH in a cycle, it works completely differently. It will help you put on a little bit of water weight and eat more food it may help a little bit with recovery but between the test and the sarms you're probably going to be fine without it.

If you can source HCG I would start HCG the last 2 weeks on LGD and then just run nolva for PCT.

Watch your blood pressure, I don't see any reason why this cycle should cause blood pressure issues but seeing how you've never used testosterone maybe you're going to be someone who holds a bunch of water weight and if that happens it could spike your blood pressure. Maybe have a ARB and a AI on hand as well.


That's about everything I got :)
 
Smont said:
Don't waste your first injectable cycle, Testosterone is probably going to be too low to notice much other than it being a test base. So I wouldn't expect to gain much more then your previous sarm cycle. I would bump up to 375 right out the gate if your only going 10 weeks, it's going to be 5 weeks in before your actually on that 375 anyways. I'm not one to kickstart, but if your gonna go 8 weeks on LGD and the whole cycle is 10 weeks, I'd just do 10 with LGD also.

But, id actually rather see the cycle look more like this. If I was pre planning this cycle based off The limited knowledge I have of you......

Test 375, 375, 375, 375, 375, 375, 375, 375, 375, 375
LGD starting week 8 and finishing week 13 (3 weeks past your testosterone)
10,20,20,20,30,30. (If I was running lgd for myself I would just do 50 mg a week for 6 weeks) Now that would be stupid expensive compared to tbol or var and LGD is roughly the same mg vs mg so I'd probably opt for var or tbol (and mind you lgd is my favorite sarm)

Id skip mk677 unless you have a hard time eating and in that situation I would only use it when you needed to boost an appetite but there's not a ton of other benefits you're really going to get out of it. It is not a replacement for HGH in a cycle, it works completely differently. It will help you put on a little bit of water weight and eat more food it may help a little bit with recovery but between the test and the sarms you're probably going to be fine without it.

If you can source HCG I would start HCG the last 2 weeks on LGD and then just run nolva for PCT.

Watch your blood pressure, I don't see any reason why this cycle should cause blood pressure issues but seeing how you've never used testosterone maybe you're going to be someone who holds a bunch of water weight and if that happens it could spike your blood pressure. Maybe have a ARB and a AI on hand as well.


That's about everything I got :)
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I agree with Smont on all….if it was me I would run Anavar over LGD, but you may already have LGD. And definitely 375 to 400 Test over 250 all day. Enjoy, and log it.👍
 
I agree with @Smont on the cycle. I also rather do Tbol than LGD but I never tried LGD so I’m not sure what it can do. 250 of Test is too low but 375 is a good start. I would use Clomid for 6-8 weeks for PCT. If you going to use MK use it from the start all the way through PCT, HGH is obviously better but MK can have it’s benefits, just don’t expect too much from it.
 
Thanks for the advice, I chose LGD because i have sourced a good brand which i’ve tried previously. Never tried anavar but as far as i know and read anavar gives lean hard muscle which is good but i wanna get overall mass idk if it makes sense 😅 and pharma grade anavar is costing me more than lgd at 30mg. I haven’t bought anything yet, so i will look into it too. As for the test i will be going with 375. Im kinda nervous about the injecting part and i think quads are the easiest and least painful to administer?
 
Youngdumbroke said:
Thanks for the advice, I chose LGD because i have sourced a good brand which i’ve tried previously. Never tried anavar but as far as i know and read anavar gives lean hard muscle which is good but i wanna get overall mass idk if it makes sense 😅 and pharma grade anavar is costing me more than lgd at 30mg. I haven’t bought anything yet, so i will look into it too. As for the test i will be going with 375. Im kinda nervous about the injecting part and i think quads are the easiest and least painful to administer?
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Glutes are pretty forgiving, and not that bad, as long as you’re in the safe zone.



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Youngdumbroke said:
Thanks for the advice, I chose LGD because i have sourced a good brand which i’ve tried previously. Never tried anavar but as far as i know and read anavar gives lean hard muscle which is good but i wanna get overall mass idk if it makes sense 😅 and pharma grade anavar is costing me more than lgd at 30mg. I haven’t bought anything yet, so i will look into it too. As for the test i will be going with 375. Im kinda nervous about the injecting part and i think quads are the easiest and least painful to administer?
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And quads……


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Youngdumbroke said:
Thanks for the advice, I chose LGD because i have sourced a good brand which i’ve tried previously. Never tried anavar but as far as i know and read anavar gives lean hard muscle which is good but i wanna get overall mass idk if it makes sense 😅 and pharma grade anavar is costing me more than lgd at 30mg. I haven’t bought anything yet, so i will look into it too. As for the test i will be going with 375. Im kinda nervous about the injecting part and i think quads are the easiest and least painful to administer?
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No, it doesn’t make sense. What you gain on cycle is determined on your diet and training. I can almost guarantee that you will gain more solid weight on Anavar than LGD, with less side effects.

Delts and glutes is way more forgiving than quads and I would not recommend any beginner to use quads for injections, it’s very easy to get pip from those.
 
+1 on what’s been said so far. Glute is way easier than quads and far more forgiving.

On the topic of “lean hard muscle” vs “overall mass”… Muscle is lean and hard by default. Anavar or similar will give drier gains of actual muscle, other compounds may put on more mass and be less “hard” but more of it (comparatively) is water weight that will go away after cycle. Unless you blast and cruise you should ideally spent more time off cycle than on-cycle which makes maintainability the goal. I’ve never personally seen someone retain more gains from a sarms cycle than from a mild oral AAS like Anavar, Hdrol, Tbol, Mechabol, etc…
 
Youngdumbroke said:
Thanks for the advice, I chose LGD because i have sourced a good brand which i’ve tried previously. Never tried anavar but as far as i know and read anavar gives lean hard muscle which is good but i wanna get overall mass idk if it makes sense 😅 and pharma grade anavar is costing me more than lgd at 30mg. I haven’t bought anything yet, so i will look into it too. As for the test i will be going with 375. Im kinda nervous about the injecting part and i think quads are the easiest and least painful to administer?
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With the exception of water weight and some drugs being better at fuel storage, all gear pretty much does the same thing and diet determines the outcome for the most part. If you ran test, eq and var vs. Test, mast and LGD or tbol or whatever, given that the diet and training was the same the results would be like 99% the same. LGD is not going to put on more mass then var, tbol or whatever, mg vs mg there roughly the same with var having the added bonus of a leaner cosmetic effect (if your lean to begin with)
Oral steroids offer a lot of cosmetic effect but it only is noticeable when someone is already leaning to begin with someone walking around with 18 to 20% body fat and no ABS isn't going to look shredded because they added x,y,z...... But someone who's sub 12 or 10% body fat with a six pack ads oral steroids and all the sudden you get this cosmetic effect that's night and day. Which is why most bodybuilders save the orals for the end of their contest prep when you can visually see what they're doing
 
Yeah i agree that how much muscle mass that is gained depends on training and diet, its just that i’ve been on sarms side from the start and had the mindset that its supposed to be “safer” than AAS, so I had made my cycle to be more sarm focused and having the test as a base. But if var give better gains with less sides (thats what i want) i will switch it up, im not that lean rn but i started my cut and will be around 12% bf soon i actually dont mind a proper huge bulk with water and fat which ive been doing till now and this lean bulk is what i wanted to try. As with the injection site i think its trail and error…. I’ll try glutes, quads but shoulder is sketchy man because injecting with one hand with thinner needle might take time and if I cannot stabilise with other hand, can create scar tissue... idk might try it too after some successful pins.
 
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