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Tamoxifen Citrate Vs Tamoxifen

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10mgs Nolva = 15.2 mg Tamoxifen Citrate
20mgs Nolva = 30.4 mg Tamoxifen Citrate
40mgs Nolva = 60.4 mg Tamoxifen Citrate
60mgs Nolva = 91.2 mg Tamoxifen Citrate

Just thought I'd post that after finding it out, most rc grade "nolva" is actually tamoxifen citrate meaning that to truly get that 20mg dosage that is the typical protocol, you really need 30.4mg if running tamoxifen citrate
 
NattyBoy said:
10mgs Nolva = 15.2 mg Tamoxifen Citrate
20mgs Nolva = 30.4 mg Tamoxifen Citrate
40mgs Nolva = 60.4 mg Tamoxifen Citrate
60mgs Nolva = 91.2 mg Tamoxifen Citrate

Just thought I'd post that after finding it out, most rc grade "nolva" is actually tamoxifen citrate meaning that to truly get that 20mg dosage that is the typical protocol, you really need 30.4mg if running tamoxifen citrate
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Also, keep in mind that some rc sources actually dose every ml at 30.4mg already, knowing that the 20mg of tamoxifen citrate is not truly 20mg, so asking them ahead of time is smart ?
 
All tamox that you get is going to be in citrate form. Yes, the citrate takes up some of the weight but the 20/20/10/10 protocol is based on tamoxifen citrate. Clomid is in citrate form as well.
 
yates84 said:
All tamox that you get is going to be in citrate form. Yes, the citrate takes up some of the weight but the 20/20/10/10 protocol is based on tamoxifen citrate. Clomid is in citrate form as well.
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Aren't most studies and bloodworks done with tamoxifen, not citrate though??
 
NattyBoy said:
Aren't most studies and bloodworks done with tamoxifen, not citrate though??
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As far as I know, all tamoxifen is in citrate form.
 
NattyBoy said:
Im just going off what i read on other forums and rc sources, guess it was unnecessary info
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Will look into it further, don't take my word here because I don't know this as absolute fact.
 
There is a difference between pure Tamoxifen base powder and Tamoxifen citrate powder. It is as has been noted above; Tamoxifen + citrate acid added.

The CAS number (chemical identifier) for Invalid Link Removed is 10540-29-1 and the molecular weight (MW) is 371.5.

The CAS number (chemical identifier) for Invalid Link Removed is 54965-24-1 and the molecular weight (MW) is 563.7. This is how you can distinguish between the two of them. Many suppliers list the difference but whether or not you can trust the label is another thing to consider.

As far as I know, most if not all RC Tamoxifen is in Citrate form. It is most readily available from China and like places. Many RC companies list the type they sell (as identified by CAS #).

A Rx tablet of Nolvadex contains 10mg of Tamoxifen base and ~ 5mg of Citrate for a total of ~ 15mg. It is listed as 10mg of active ingredient. RC companies that buy Tamox Citrate powder to make liquid "Nolva" should be accounting for the difference and adding 15mg of Tamox citrate powder into the liquid suspension (per serving size), as opposed to 10mg of Tamoxifen base. Whether or not they do that is another story. Having said that, I wouldn't worry about it too much and would definitely just stick to the usual dosing protocol for RC SERM's. Most are probably underdosed anyway. :)

The only way to truly know that you are getting the full amount of active ingredient is to get a prescription and buy it from a legit pharmacy. People who use Rx AI's and SERM's can speak to the potency difference.

And for those wondering, Nolvadex is the original brand name of Tamoxifen Citrate pills.
 
Toren said:
There is a difference between pure Tamoxifen base powder and Tamoxifen citrate powder. It is as has been noted above; Tamoxifen + citrate acid added.

The CAS number (chemical identifier) for Invalid Link Removed is 10540-29-1 and the molecular weight (MW) is 371.5.

The CAS number (chemical identifier) for Invalid Link Removed is 54965-24-1 and the molecular weight (MW) is 563.7. This is how you can distinguish between the two of them. Many suppliers list the difference but whether or not you can trust the label is another thing to consider.

As far as I know, most if not all RC Tamoxifen is in Citrate form. It is most readily available from China and like places. Many RC companies list the type they sell (as identified by CAS #).

A Rx tablet of Nolvadex contains 10mg of Tamoxifen base and ~ 5mg of Citrate for a total of ~ 15mg. It is listed as 10mg of active ingredient. RC companies that buy Tamox Citrate powder to make liquid "Nolva" should be accounting for the difference and adding 15mg of Tamox citrate powder into the liquid suspension (per serving size), as opposed to 10mg of Tamoxifen base. Whether or not they do that is another story. Having said that, I wouldn't worry about it too much and would definitely just stick to the usual dosing protocol for RC SERM's. Most are probably underdosed anyway. :)

The only way to truly know that you are getting the full amount of active ingredient is to get a prescription and buy it from a legit pharmacy. People who use Rx AI's and SERM's can speak to the potency difference.

And for those wondering, Nolvadex is the original brand name of Tamoxifen Citrate pills.
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So i was right for the most part lol, depending on the source
 
NattyBoy said:
So i was right for the most part lol, depending on the source
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I think everything depends on the source. ;)

Of course this is all speculative and for entertainment purposes only as nobody should ever consume these types of substances for recreational purposes.
 
Toren said:
I think everything depends on the source. ;)

Of course this is all speculative and for entertainment purposes only as nobody should ever consume these types of substances for recreational purposes.
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Yea, i mentioned checking withthe source
 
Adding this link for additional informational purposes. There is a wealth of information about Nolvadex in here!

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I read somewhere that in reality you could run like 10/10/5/5 and it would still be more than enough to get you back on track. The 20/20/10/10 is just people being extra cautious and careful with their bodies

If thats the case i think you could run citrate at 20/20/10/10 even if it WASNT the same mg as nolva and still recover fine
 
Bartmac36 said:
I read somewhere that in reality you could run like 10/10/5/5 and it would still be more than enough to get you back on track. The 20/20/10/10 is just people being extra cautious and careful with their bodies

If thats the case i think you could run citrate at 20/20/10/10 even if it WASNT the same mg as nolva and still recover fine
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If i ever ran nolva again, it would be 40/40/20/20 to be on the safe side
 
I think 40 is too high in normal case scenario. 20 highest as pct and also as low as 5mg could be effective if I've understood correctly. My next pct will probably be at 20/20/10/10/5/5 or similar.
 
The best way to know that your 'stuff' is working, is to get a blood test done to assess you baseline total T (while in a state of hormonal homeostasis), then get another blood test immediately after PCT.

It's not uncommom to see people test 4-500 points above baseline from a typical Nolva PCT. Depending on age, cycle length, compounds used, lifestyle, etc, recovery can definitely vary.

At the end of the day, people respond in different ways to various SERM's. If you are planning to stay in this 'game' for a long period of time, the guessing game is not the smartest approach.
 
i just did my first day dose of nolva off subject also but at 1 ml 20 mg its the worst taste ever had my stomach upset for a about an hour this morning blah!!
 
unreal89 said:
i just did my first day dose of nolva off subject also but at 1 ml 20 mg its the worst taste ever had my stomach upset for a about an hour this morning blah!!
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Buy some empty gel caps, will eliminate the ethanol taste. Just don't try to make them up ahead of time, make them as needed right before dosing.
 
I dunno if it helps, having NOLVADEX-D bought from a local drugstore, I read the leaflet: NOLVADEX-D 20 contains 20mg tamoxifen citrate that equals to 20mg tamoxifen
 
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