Taking M-Sten?

[kklonowski]

Hey all. I’ve used DMZ in the past. I have a bottle of M-Sten i’m looking to take now. I have Defend On Cycle Support with CEL PCT. Am I good to go? I loved the strength gains and weight gains so I’m doing another cycle. Thanks for any feedback.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

y all. I’ve used DMZ in the past. I have a bottle of M-Sten i’m looking to take now. I have Defend On Cycle Support with CEL PCT. Am I good to go? I loved the strength gains and wei

we see this question alot man .. i can only tell you what i would do

On cycle throughout cycle + pct + SNS blood pressure XT ( amazing stuff )
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[ndiguy]

I really enjoyed M-Sten at 20mg for 6 weeks. Strength gains were fantastic and there didn't appear to be massive glycogen & water retention that some orals provide.

As already stated by GQ, You really should acquire a SERM like nolvadex or clomiphene for your post cycle. CEL PCT Assist makes a nice addition to your post cycle, but likely isn't sufficient standalone. Some people will recover fine (eventually) going the OTC route, but in terms of longevity it isn't wise.

 

[Kronic]

how does your PCT go without a SERM? don't you lose a lot of gains? or maybe these compounds don't shut you down very hard?

 

[kklonowski]

I really enjoyed M-Sten at 20mg for 6 weeks. Strength gains were fantastic and there didn't appear to be massive glycogen retention that some orals provide.

As already stated by GQ, You really should acquire a SERM like nolvadex or clomiphene for your post cycle. CEL PCT Assist makes a nice addition to your post cycle, but likely isn't sufficient standalone. Some people will recover fine (eventually) going the OTC route, but in terms of longevity it isn't wise.

Is 10mg of Nolvadex enough for 30 days?

 

[kklonowski]

how does your PCT go without a SERM? don't you lose a lot of gains? or maybe these compounds don't shut you down very hard?

I didn’t use a SERM last cycle but I plan on doing it this time, I lost a lot of my gains last time and I want to retain as much size as I can.

 

[ndiguy]

Is 10mg of Nolvadex enough for 30 days?

"Standard" dosing is 20/20/10/10 but four weeks @ 10mg is still better than a purely OTC pct, IMO.

 

[kklonowski]

"Standard" dosing is 20/20/10/10 but four weeks @ 10mg is still better than a purely OTC pct, IMO.

Ok I’ll try and get my hands on that stuff. Hopefully that is all good enough. I was pretty lethargic last time but it was only at night and I think it’s from how much I was eating, so I’m not too worried.

 

[ndiguy]

Ok I’ll try and get my hands on that stuff. Hopefully that is all good enough. I was pretty lethargic last time but it was only at night and I think it’s from how much I was eating, so I’m not too worried.

The board sponsor mentioned earlier is great. They have what you need.

Pretty common to feel lethargic when not running testosterone alongside an oral. Some individuals who aren't ready to inject actual test will utilize 4andro, to help with lethargy during their cycle. Just some food for thought.

 

[kklonowski]

The board sponsor mentioned earlier is great. They have what you need.

Pretty common to feel lethargic when not running testosterone alongside an oral. Some individuals who aren't ready to inject actual test will utilize 4andro, to help with lethargy during their cycle. Just some food for thought.

Yea i’m definitely ready to inject test. I may try that 4andro, But for now I plan on getting nolvadex and then starting.

 

[kklonowski]

Yea i’m definitely ready to inject test. I may try that 4andro, But for now I plan on getting nolvadex and then starting.

Not ready for test, Is what I meant. Lol

 

[Smont]

Hey all. I’ve used DMZ in the past. I have a bottle of M-Sten i’m looking to take now. I have Defend On Cycle Support with CEL PCT. Am I good to go? I loved the strength gains and weight gains so I’m doing another cycle. Thanks for any feedback.

Over the counter pct products do NOT work even remotely close to a serm. When it comes to restoring your natural testosterone production from being shut down they're almost useless. For about $40 you can pick up some clomid or novodex, the exact price slips my mind but it's definitely under $50, a real serm is the same price as a lot of OTC test boosters and PCT products. Dmz and msten is just as strong as any oral steroid out there and arguably more toxic and stressful on the body, most designers are. You might get away once or twice with an OTC PCT which is basically no PCT at all. But sooner or later that looks going to run out so spend the 40 bucks and get a Serm.

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[Smont]

36.99 and then you're going to get 15% off which makes it like $31.50

 

[kklonowski]

36.99 and then you're going to get 15% off which makes it like $31.50

Awesome thank you. I’ll definitely get that nolvadex, and still combine it with my OTC PCT just for peace of mind I guess. Definitely appreciate the guidance on getting nolvadex.

 

[kklonowski]

36.99 and then you're going to get 15% off which makes it like $31.50

Do I just put the droplets in my mouth? Do I need to take with food or water or anything? I’ve never heard of this but have done research and it’s very common so it must work.

 

[Smont]

Do I just put the droplets in my mouth? Do I need to take with food or water or anything? I’ve never heard of this but have done research and it’s very common so it must work.

These research chemicals are exactly what they say they are, but they can be sold for research purposes only in "Oral" liquid form. There is a measuring dropper in the bottle and you just measure out your desired dose for "researching". Some people research these products with food and some do it without food.

That's about as much as I'm allowed to say lol but anyone else is welcome to fill in the blanks for you

 

[Smont]

Awesome thank you. I’ll definitely get that nolvadex, and still combine it with my OTC PCT just for peace of mind I guess. Definitely appreciate the guidance on getting nolvadex.

Spend a little time doing research on pct protocols, your probably gonna find stuff about HCG and stacking clomid and nolva but just keep reading and you will see simple pct plans with nolva a nd a Natty test booster combined like your talking about. I think ppl are better off with nolva first, then about 2-3 weeks into nolva start your Natty pct products to overlap the nolva

 

[Jeremyk1]

Do I just put the droplets in my mouth? Do I need to take with food or water or anything? I’ve never heard of this but have done research and it’s very common so it must work.

My test subjects prefer taking a swig of something, holding the drink in their mouth, and dropping it into their mouth with a little bit of a flavored “buffer” in there. Tastes are pretty rough. Some are barely noticeable taken like this, but others still seem to linger. I’ve heard some don’t have major issues, just drop it in their mouth and wash it down with water.

Also, some of the lines on the droppers fade pretty quick and don’t get 100% of the liquid out. I usually add a few extra droppers when I order from MA, just in case.

 

[kklonowski]

My test subjects prefer taking a swig of something, holding the drink in their mouth, and dropping it into their mouth with a little bit of a flavored “buffer” in there. Tastes are pretty rough. Some are barely noticeable taken like this, but others still seem to linger. I’ve heard some don’t have major issues, just drop it in their mouth and wash it down with water.

Also, some of the lines on the droppers fade pretty quick and don’t get 100% of the liquid out. I usually add a few extra droppers when I order from MA, just in case.

Ok thank you all for the responses. I will try taking nolva for 2 weeks, then overlapping it with my OTC PCT. I don’t want to lose much of my weight but I know a little weight loss is practically inevitable.

 

[Smont]

My test subjects prefer taking a swig of something, holding the drink in their mouth, and dropping it into their mouth with a little bit of a flavored “buffer” in there. Tastes are pretty rough. Some are barely noticeable taken like this, but others still seem to linger. I’ve heard some don’t have major issues, just drop it in their mouth and wash it down with water.

Also, some of the lines on the droppers fade pretty quick and don’t get 100% of the liquid out. I usually add a few extra droppers when I order from MA, just in case.

Ok thank you all for the responses. I will try taking nolva for 2 weeks, then overlapping it with my OTC PCT. I don’t want to lose much of my weight but I know a little weight loss is practically inevitable.

Muscle dosent dissapear over night. When you see guys gaining 20lbs on a cycle and loosing 15 in pct, that's not muscle loss, none of it is. It's water and glycogen. Whatever is left after that disappears is the muscle (and fat) that was gained on a cycle. No1 on the planet is gaining 10-20lbs of real muscle in 4-6 weeks. Your lucky to do that in a year on grams of gear

 

[kklonowski]

Muscle dosent dissapear over night. When you see guys gaining 20lbs on a cycle and loosing 15 in pct, that's not muscle loss, none of it is. It's water and glycogen. Whatever is left after that disappears is the muscle (and fat) that was gained on a cycle. No1 on the planet is gaining 10-20lbs of real muscle in 4-6 weeks. Your lucky to do that in a year on grams of gear

Yea true.Does anyone have tips for keeping BP low? Mine has a tendency to be a little high and I was hoping y’all have some methods of managing it. Thanks

 

[Smont]

Yea true.Does anyone have tips for keeping BP low? Mine has a tendency to be a little high and I was hoping y’all have some methods of managing it. Thanks

Cardio, ( real cardio, not walking on a treadmill, I'm talking about breaking a sweat and breathing kinda heavy) eating healthy and staying very well hydrated. When I'm doing all those my BP is reflective of it.

Low daily dose of tadalafil/Cialis, 5-7mg a day lowers my BP a couple points (nothing major) it also gives a slightly better pump in the gym. (If you respond good it will also give you a extra pump in the bedroom).

Avoid alcohol and tobacco ( no brainer )

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Outside of those things and managing stress that's about all I can think of without going into prescription BP medicine

 

[Smont]

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[kklonowski]

Cardio, ( real cardio, not walking on a treadmill, I'm talking about breaking a sweat and breathing kinda heavy) eating healthy and staying very well hydrated. When I'm doing all those my BP is reflective of it.

Low daily dose of tadalafil/Cialis, 5-7mg a day lowers my BP a couple points (nothing major) it also gives a slightly better pump in the gym. (If you respond good it will also give you a extra pump in the bedroom).

Avoid alcohol and tobacco ( no brainer )

If you want some tadalafil at a very reasonable price you can go over to maresearchchems and use my code for 15% off. "smont"

Outside of those things and managing stress that's about all I can think of without going into prescription BP medicine

Alright I appreciate it. I will try 3 heavy cardio sessions a week, definitely staying well hydrated and eating as healthy as possible. I will probably stay away from the Cialis for now but that’s good to know. Any other last minute tips you have for ensuring I stay healthy as possible while on cycle and for post? I am just waiting on my nolva to come in and then I’m starting.

 

[Smont]

Alright I appreciate it. I will try 3 heavy cardio sessions a week, definitely staying well hydrated and eating as healthy as possible. I will probably stay away from the Cialis for now but that’s good to know. Any other last minute tips you have for ensuring I stay healthy as possible while on cycle and for post? I am just waiting on my nolva to come in and then I’m starting.

Don't take this wrong as I'm not trying to pressure you into Cialis lol. But I'm curious to know why you would want to stay away from it, it has a ton of health benefits, it's something that pretty much every man can benifit from and I'm not talking about for boners. I'm actually a non responder to tadalafil in that aspect, it just stays the same. I use it for the other health benefits.

Cialis and Viagra were invented as blood pressure medication, it was later that they found it was only ok at BP and better at boners lol

 

[Smont]

Alright I appreciate it. I will try 3 heavy cardio sessions a week, definitely staying well hydrated and eating as healthy as possible. I will probably stay away from the Cialis for now but that’s good to know. Any other last minute tips you have for ensuring I stay healthy as possible while on cycle and for post? I am just waiting on my nolva to come in and then I’m starting.

I could give you a list of important things steroid users should be taking (msten is a steroid) but these supplements I believe should be taken year round, not just on cycle. Some cheap things to throw in as a protective measure.
NAC 1200-1800mg a day.
81mg baby aspirin before bed.
Multi v.

More expensive and very helpful
Ubiquinol 200mg a day.
Astragalus 4000mg a day
Tudca 500-1000mg a day

 

[kklonowski]

I could give you a list of important things steroid users should be taking (msten is a steroid) but these supplements I believe should be taken year round, not just on cycle. Some cheap things to throw in as a protective measure.
NAC 1200-1800mg a day.
81mg baby aspirin before bed.
Multi v.

More expensive and very helpful
Ubiquinol 200mg a day.
Astragalus 4000mg a day
Tudca 500-1000mg a day

I am taking an on cycle support supplement to make me feel better in my cycle. Its main ingredients are NAC, Milk Thistle and TUDCA. It has 1000mg Milk Thistle, 600mg of NAC and 250 of TUDCA in one pill and it’s the serving size is 2 pills. So I think 2 pills a day should be better than nothin.

 

[kklonowski]

I could give you a list of important things steroid users should be taking (msten is a steroid) but these supplements I believe should be taken year round, not just on cycle. Some cheap things to throw in as a protective measure.
NAC 1200-1800mg a day.
81mg baby aspirin before bed.
Multi v.

More expensive and very helpful
Ubiquinol 200mg a day.
Astragalus 4000mg a day
Tudca 500-1000mg a day

Also, Astragalus at 4000mg seems like a lot, no? It seems to be really beneficial so I am going to pickup some of that, is 4000mg what you do?

 

[Jeremyk1]

Also, Astragalus at 4000mg seems like a lot, no? It seems to be really beneficial so I am going to pickup some of that, is 4000mg what you do?

I haven’t looked into it, but I think it was said 4 grams can actually repair kidneys. I take 2 grams year round. Not a bad idea to bump it up on cycle though. Morphogen and revive sups both make good kidney support products with high amounts of astragalus. Could take a look at those.

 

[KvanH]

I think Smont gave good info on BP management, but one thing to add, that comes to mind supp wise is Carditone. Many swear by it.

 

[kklonowski]

I think Smont gave good info on BP management, but one thing to add, that comes to mind supp wise is Carditone. Many swear by it.

I will definitely look into that. As of this morning, I have the following: Defend On cycle support, Bottle of Astragalus, Daily Multi Vitamin, Nolva and OTC PCT. I will make sure to drink a lot of water and do cardio to treat any possible high BP while on cycle. Would it be wise to add another AAS for the cycle, as I am only doing M-Sten but I know it’s pretty toxic. I just didn’t know if I could stack 2 AAS given all the support and PCT i’m doing. Sorry for all the questions y’all, I appreciate all your responses and insight.