T3 vs. Triac

Mr.50

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Guys if you were not worried about shutdown (long story) and you were going to chose between using T3 or Triac which would you use? Does either have a preferential effect in fat tissue rather then muscle tissue? I have heard that Triac does so for any given effect level more calories burned come from fat on Triac rather then from either fat or muscle as with T3. Is there any truth to this?


I ask because I am on T3 and it seems like the dosage is high enough (75mcgs) to keep me from gaining much weight even considering the "weight gaining assistance" I have right now so I do not think I am accruing to much lbm ( :( ) but I am also not losing amazing amounts of fat. Diet is in check, protein is high (about 300grms or more per day at 203 lbs total bw). SO I am confused. I am also sure the materials I have are legit as strength is going up quite significantly and libido is above normal (well it was during stage 1........).

So any thought about what could be going on here? Is switching to Triac worth it or just a waste of time?


Mr.50
 
what do your carbs look like, and your fat? I am trying T3 and have been reading up on it. I am getting some coflicting info ( I will finsh the reading tonight) but I have been told that your ratios have a lot to do with how well it works.

Also what are your weight gainers? I am dropping everthing but the TP/TNE and maybe add some MDHT
 
Mr.50 said:
Guys if you were not worried about shutdown (long story) and you were going to chose between using T3 or Triac which would you use? Does either have a preferential effect in fat tissue rather then muscle tissue? I have heard that Triac does so for any given effect level more calories burned come from fat on Triac rather then from either fat or muscle as with T3. Is there any truth to this?


I ask because I am on T3 and it seems like the dosage is high enough (75mcgs) to keep me from gaining much weight even considering the "weight gaining assistance" I have right now so I do not think I am accruing to much lbm ( :( ) but I am also not losing amazing amounts of fat. Diet is in check, protein is high (about 300grms or more per day at 203 lbs total bw). SO I am confused. I am also sure the materials I have are legit as strength is going up quite significantly and libido is above normal (well it was during stage 1........).

So any thought about what could be going on here? Is switching to Triac worth it or just a waste of time?


Mr.50

Hey Mr 50 , trimax (triac) is actually heailthier for you somewhat. Trimax contains ingredients to make your thyroid produce more t-4 which converts into more t-3 . while t-3 is replacing your bodys supply and completley cutting off its own production...

I dont know if you have seen this before but it is an intresting read..

The Triac Story
Overcoming Failure: Diets that Stop Working
By Derek Cornelius, President of Syntrax Innovations



We've all faced failure from time to time and as many of you can attest, it is absolutely no fun. Hopefully, when we fail at something we learn the reason for failure and improve the next time the situation arises. Unfortunately, some people never learn and continue doing the same things over and over, thus continuing to fail again and again. This is what I call insanity--doing the exact same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time. I observe this phenomenon all the time as I watch people diet. They'll commit to some new program and be excited that it's working for the first few weeks and then WHAM!--disappointment sets in as fat loss slows down to a screeching halt. Simply put, goals aren't reached and the diet miserably fails. With the disappointment comes depression and the person will often medicate with food and gain all of the weight back in several days. A few months later, the person tries a new diet and the cycle repeats itself.

Diets are easy to fail at because there is a law at work. Many of you will want to think that it's Murphy's Law just making your life difficult but I prefer to call it the Law of Dietdynamics. This law states that all diets work and all diets stop working. The questions now is, "What can be done to diminish or overcome this law and end the hopeless cycle of dieting blues?"

Many people's idea of a diet is to take some little "magic" pill with lots of "magic" ingredients (mainly herbal), restrict their calories or food intake and just hope for the best. Remember the Law of Dietdynamics? This diet will work for a time even if that "magic" pill is nothing more that a placebo because of the reduced calories. Unfortunately, the body is quite efficient at maintaining its present weight and will halt the fat losing effect of the diet in short order (usually within a month) by decreasing its Basal Metabolic Rate. How does the body control its metabolic rate and is there anything we can do to manipulate these controls?

To make things simple, let me explain a little about thyroid hormones. The two main thyroid hormones are T4 (thyroxin) and T3 (levo-Triiodothyronine). The thyroid gland mainly produces T4 which is later converted by a deiodinase enzyme to T3. The interesting thing is that T3 is about five times more potent at raising the Basal Metabolic Rate than T4. In a dieting situation, the body produces less deiodinase enzyme, therefore producing less T3, Bingo!-- OUR ANSWER! Without the effects of the more potent T3 the Basal Metabolic Rate decreases. Of course, there is plenty of T4 but it's just not potent enough to maintain the metabolism. With a lowered metabolism, less calories are burned on a daily basis and the diet ceases to work.

In order for the body to start losing fat again, we must find a way to raise the Basal Metabolic Rate. Several methods are used for this purpose and center around two approaches. One is to stimulate the adrenergic (adrenaline) system and the other is to increase the amount of thyroid hormone activity. Each of these approaches is effective and has varying effects on the metabolism. However, as we will see a combination of the two is the epitome for fat loss.

The most effective method of stimulating the system is to take a product like Adipokinetix. Not only does this product contain the most potent thermogenic ephedrine alkaloid, but it also contains Yohimbine which stimulates fat burning by releasing fatty acids from adipose cells. Adipokinetix will do a great job of compensating for a lowered thyroid activity of several months. However, after 3-4 months, the adrenergic receptors tend to down-regulate to a great degree. As these receptors get stimulated less and less, the metabolism in turn is raised less and less until basically the Adipokinetix quits working. Remember our rule: all diets work and all diets stop working!

The other approach to raising the metabolic rate is to increase the amount of thyroid hormone activity. In the past, the best way to do this was to take a high concentration brown guggulsterone product. Studies show that this product can drastically increase the amount of thyroid hormones that the thyroid produces thus increasing the Basal Metabolic Rate and increasing fat loss. Guggulsterones work great but my feeling is that it is not potent enough to bring the Basal Metabolic Rate entirely back to normal. Indeed, guggulsterones have been a lifesaver especially when stacked with Adipokinetix because it not only increases its effectiveness but also the length of time that it is effective. I know, I know... many of you are asking if there is anything at all that will totally restore the Basal Metabolic Rate to its normal level via the thyroid hormone approach. Your thinking is correct in that if this were possible we could extend the life of any diet for a very long period of time with very little decrease in potency. Until now, it has been impossible to restore the metabolic rate via the thyroid approach without the use of prescription drugs. However, (and that's a big HOWEVER) for the past several years I have been studying naturally occurring compounds that could accomplish this and found a very special one that's perfect for our purposes -- meet Triac!

What is Triac? Triac is what I like to call a thyroidal nutrient or a thyroidal prohormone. Just as we have steroidal nutrients like 19-Norandrostenediol, we now have access to equally effective thyroid nutrients or prohormones. To make things simple, Triac is not a hormone but instead a naturally occurring degradation product of your own T3 with some pretty fantastic metabolic effects.

The great thing about Triac is that it is sold as a fat loss drug around the world under the name Triacana. Triacana is indicated for conditions of obesity and for reducing subcutaneous fat stores--especially areas of cellulite. Hopefully, the name Triacana will ring some bells with at least a few of you bodybuilders out there. This drug has been vigorously imported from Europe and other parts of the world for its ability to make a person ripped and shredded. Many of the ultra shredded, ultra cut physiques you see in the professional bodybuilding circles became this way only by religiously using the drug as part of their dieting regimen. Fortunately, upon my extensive investigation, I found that Triac is not considered a drug in the U.S. and can be legally sold as a dietary supplement.

There are many reasons why Triac is nearly a perfect supplement. First, let me explain the safety profile. Triac is one of the most well studied and safe compounds ever sold as a drug. Triac has been sold as a legitimate pharmaceutical in various countries for the last several decades. In this time, there have been almost no reported negative side effects associated with its use. The only people who should be careful with Triac and should seek the advise of their physician before use are pregnant or nursing women, those with heart disease, thyroid disease, diabetes, hyper-anxiety, or a hyper-sensitivity to iodine. Basically, if you are a healthy individual, Triac is perfectly safe for you. One of the most interesting things about Triac is that unlike the use of thyroid hormones, it will not cause any permanent damage or down-regulation of the thyroid - even with long term use. Triacana even states this in their product literature - another confirmation of just how safe this product is.

Now that we know that Triac has a superb safety profile, let's go on to looking at all of the wonderful benefits of this compound. One of the best uses for Triac is to bring the Basal Metabolic Rate totally back to normal via the thyroid pathway. This is significant not only because it allows nearly any diet to work for extended periods of time but also because the potency of nearly any diet. Remember, down-regulating thyroid hormone activity is the body's main way of lowering the Basal Metabolic Rate. Restoring this to normal keeps the metabolism elevated and the calories burning.

Restoring the Basal Metabolic Rate is an extraordinary feat in and of itself but in doing so Triac does something else which is quite amazing. It selectively raises the respiration in adipose tissue while decreasing it in tissues such as muscle. Thus, a person on Triac will burn the same number of calories but those calories will selectively be from fat tissue. This is significant because you get an exaggerated fat burning effect and a concomitant muscle sparing effect. Normally, when you diet, a good portion of the calories comes from the proteolysis (protein degradation) of muscle tissue. Triac is excellent at blunting this catabolic action, preserving the muscle tissue, and increasing the burning of adipose stores. This is the main way that those pro-bodybuilders can get their body levels so low without sacrificing much muscle tissue-this stuff is absolutely incredible.

The last two beneficial aspects of Triac is its ability to lower cholesterol and its ability to sensitize the peripheral adrenergic receptors. Thyroid hormones, in general, lower cholesterol but Triac is special in that it is also very potent in the liver causing an exaggerated response in terms of lowering cholesterol. The last beneficial aspect of Triac is its ability make the peripheral adrenergic receptors more sensitive to products like Adipokinetix. This is another reason why stacking Adipokinetix and Triac makes so much sense. Basically, Triac will supercharge the effects of the Adipokinetix. Some people have experienced this phenomenon with stacking guggul with Adipokinetix - Triac though has a much more powerful effect.

We have looked at the Law of Dietdynamics and have seen how all diets work and how all diets stop working. We have also seen that by using the compound Triac we can significantly halt this law in its track. Proper dosages for Triac are 2-4mg per day in divided dosages.

One company which manufactures a product with Triac is my company - Syntrax Innovations Inc. The product is named TRIAX. Find those dieting blues, end that terrible feeling of failure and try Triac.
 
Hers something else thats kinda intresting.

Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy.

Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI, Ingbar SH.

The pattern of thyrotropin secretion was analyzed in seven euthyroid women, before and after withdrawal of long-term thyroid hormone, by serial measurements of thyroid 131l uptake, serum thyroxine, tri-iodothyronine, and thyrotropin concentrations, and the response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone. During exogenous hormone administration, 131l uptake was suppressed, and serum thyrotropin concentrations before and after administration of thyrotropin-releasing hormone were undetectable. After withdrawal of exogenous hormone, thyrotropin secretory function was transiently impaired, as indicated by undetectable basal thyrotropin concentrations together with absence of response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone, and subsequently by normal values of basal thyrotropin concentration and normal responses to releasing hormone while serum thyroxine and tri-iodothyronine concentrations were subnormal. Decreased thyrotropin reserve persisted for two to five weeks. Detectable values of serum thyrotropin (less than 1.2 muU per milliliter) and a normal 131l uptake usually occurred concurrently in two to three weeks. Serum thyroxine concentration returned to normal at least four weeks after hormone withdrawal.

PMID: 808728 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

"In 1951, Greer reported the pattern of recovery of thyroid function after stopping suppressive treatment with thyroid hormone in euthyroid [normal] subjects based on sequential measurements of their thyroidal uptake of radioiodine. He observed that after withdrawal of exogenous thyroid therapy, thyroid function, in terms of radioiodine uptake, returned to normal in most subjects within two weeks. He further observed that thyroid function returned as rapidly in those subjects whose glands had been depressed by several years of thyroid medication as it did in those whose gland had been depressed for only a few days"
 
Mr.50 said:
Guys if you were not worried about shutdown (long story) and you were going to chose between using T3 or Triac which would you use? Does either have a preferential effect in fat tissue rather then muscle tissue? I have heard that Triac does so for any given effect level more calories burned come from fat on Triac rather then from either fat or muscle as with T3. Is there any truth to this?


I ask because I am on T3 and it seems like the dosage is high enough (75mcgs) to keep me from gaining much weight even considering the "weight gaining assistance" I have right now so I do not think I am accruing to much lbm ( :( ) but I am also not losing amazing amounts of fat. Diet is in check, protein is high (about 300grms or more per day at 203 lbs total bw). SO I am confused. I am also sure the materials I have are legit as strength is going up quite significantly and libido is above normal (well it was during stage 1........).

So any thought about what could be going on here? Is switching to Triac worth it or just a waste of time?


Mr.50

Was re-reading your post and got to thinking.. Not sure how long you have been using the t-3 but the 75 mcgs seems to high. I would only use 50 mcgs ED( at most would start with 25mcgs). Maybe you hit a plateau since your dose was so high to start.. I am not saying this is for sure just thinking why this would occur.. whats you take on that?? again hard to say since I dont know how long you been using it.. Where you seeing results before and they seemed to slow or stop?? Also are you spreading out the doses to keep thyroid levels normal or are you taking 75mcgs all at once??
 
Skye and Mercedesdd thanks to both of you for yout informative responses. I had read the Sytrax article some time ago but not in a while. I think that is where I originally got the idea that Triac was more muscle sparing then T3. Of course I wonder if it is 100% accurate since at the time Syntrax was marketing Triac. :)

I have been on the T3 for only about 3-4 weeks at this point. I have only been up at the 75 mgs for about a week maybe a little longer. It just seems like my strength is going up, my lean body tissue is increasing slightly (not as much as expected for the amount of anabolics, nothing crazy but for me this usually does the trick), body fat is not decreasing too much especially in the lower abs, diet is in check (Bobo's plan, though I doubt he would condone my current course of action, but he did make the plan for me back in March, so solid diet and also workout plan.) Body temp is a good deal high then usual but still just below normal on most measurements. Resting heart rate is slightly elevated. Cardio performance is good.

So I guess it just seems like I sould be gaining more muscle and losing more fat then I am give the current regimine. I am wondering if the T3 is burning too much lean tissue and thus I am maintaining homeostasis (calorically at least) and not making much progress in either direction.

Thanks guys.


Mr.50

mercedesdd said:
Was re-reading your post and got to thinking.. Not sure how long you have been using the t-3 but the 75 mcgs seems to high. I would only use 50 mcgs ED( at most would start with 25mcgs). Maybe you hit a plateau since your dose was so high to start.. I am not saying this is for sure just thinking why this would occur.. whats you take on that?? again hard to say since I dont know how long you been using it.. Where you seeing results before and they seemed to slow or stop?? Also are you spreading out the doses to keep thyroid levels normal or are you taking 75mcgs all at once??
 
keep in mind you just started tren.. Make sure your cardio is in check also and with the tren the fat should be falling off of you... LOL !! Just stick to your diet and training and give it some time and you should see good results. Whats your cardio rotuine look like ?? You doing HIIT ???
 
I actually am not doing HITT since my usual form of training for most of the year includes boxing workouts (used to do some amature, now just train other amatures) and many body weight exercises. Now back to the weights (since March) and doing traditional cardio 4-5 days per week on eliptical, bike, treadmill, all rotating. Try to only work at 70% max heart rate.

Mr.50

mercedesdd said:
keep in mind you just started tren.. Make sure your cardio is in check also and with the tren the fat should be falling off of you... LOL !! Just stick to your diet and training and give it some time and you should see good results. Whats your cardio rotuine look like ?? You doing HIIT ???
 
Oh sorry to post again . You also just started your cyp like 18 days ago or so. Remember cyp can take up to 5 weeks or longer to kick.. So just try and be patient .. LOL
 
Ah maybe your right bro. I sound like a real newbie. I guess it really hasn't been too long and I should just stop second guessing things. It has been a while since I ran a true cycle.

Mr.50

mercedesdd said:
Oh sorry to post again . You also just started your cyp like 18 days ago or so. Remember cyp can take up to 5 weeks or longer to kick.. So just try and be patient .. LOL
 
Mr.50 said:
I actually am not doing HITT since my usual form of training for most of the year includes boxing workouts (used to do some amature, now just train other amatures) and many body weight exercises. Now back to the weights (since March) and doing traditional cardio 4-5 days per week on eliptical, bike, treadmill, all rotating. Try to only work at 70% max heart rate.

Mr.50

Cool I do alittle bit of boxing myself.. You might want ot try to include some HITT like two times a week to increase your fatloss.. And keep your regular cardio at about 45- 1 hour per session on an empty stomach ( empty stomach increases cardio effects up to 300%).. This would help IMO... From the compounds you are using it seems you main goal is to loss fat so that is why I am suggesting this..
 
Mr.50 said:
Ah maybe your right bro. I sound like a real newbie. I guess it really hasn't been too long and I should just stop second guessing things. It has been a while since I ran a true cycle.

Mr.50

HAHA , You dont sound like a newbie at all. Just sounds like you want some solid advise to point you in the right direction.. Keep me posted on your progress...
 
You are absolutly correct. I really couls care less about gaining lbm at this point but I sure don't want to lose any right now. I am about 5'8'' 205lbs with about 11%-12% bf. I really would like to drop that some more. So the cardio is a good idea. How many days a week would you do cardio, HITT days included?

Mr.50

mercedesdd said:
Cool I do alittle bit of boxing myself.. You might want ot try to include some HITT like two times a week to increase your fatloss.. And keep your regular cardio at about 45- 1 hour per session on an empty stomach ( empty stomach increases cardio effects up to 300%).. This would help IMO... From the compounds you are using it seems you main goal is to loss fat so that is why I am suggesting this..
 
Mr.50 said:
You are absolutly correct. I really couls care less about gaining lbm at this point but I sure don't want to lose any right now. I am about 5'8'' 205lbs with about 11%-12% bf. I really would like to drop that some more. So the cardio is a good idea. How many days a week would you do cardio, HITT days included?

Mr.50

I would do something like 3-4 days of moterate cardio 45 mins to 1 hour and two days of hitt( at 20 mins per session) Since you BF% is already low and getting it lower is your main concern I would say more cardio is better. This is just my suggestion others might say diffrently.. I use this protocol with some of my clients with good success . Do your weight training on a 3-4 day split. And as you know for fatloss there is no magic pill .. It is mostly diet and cardio so if you are not getting the results you want I would start looking there first.. Keep your protein and cals right ( as far as cutting goes) and this will help you spare your muscle mass while doing this type of training..
 
Thanks for all of this bro. I have been spreading rep for the last few minutes so I could get you back but I still can not yet. I will get you back later. Thanks again.


Mr.50


mercedesdd said:
I would do something like 3-4 days of moterate cardio 45 mins to 1 hour and two days of hitt( at 20 mins per session) Since you BF% is already low and getting it lower is your main concern I would say more cardio is better. This is just my suggestion others might say diffrently.. I use this protocol with some of my clients with good success . Do your weight training on a 3-4 day split. And as you know for fatloss there is no magic pill .. It is mostly diet and cardio so if you are not getting the results you want I would start looking there first.. Keep your protein and cals right ( as far as cutting goes) and this will help you spare your muscle mass while doing this type of training..
 
Anyone have any info on whether or not the body may try to maintain homeostasis when taking T3 by trying to convert it to reverse T3? I have some reasons for this consideration but before I start blathering on I want to see if I am barking up the wrong tree? Thanks guys.

Mr.50
 
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