t pro and tren trans
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syko
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no i forgot to put in the 1 but i have since changed my mind as i am readingmore and learning more from my posts and others on this thread.
I was just reading BIG CATS profiles once again, and he said that tren would actually be a good beginners drug, BOZZ why do you think differently?
I am thinking now (before i get BOZZ's reply) that i will do a tren trans(saponified) alongside test(base) trans maybe frontloading with oral fina.
I am still in the planning phase though so i am very open to suggestions. Mind you though i do not have a source at the moment and will have to find one before i run anything i cannot make at home, thus the trans' and test base and tren.
thanks.
peace.
I was just reading BIG CATS profiles once again, and he said that tren would actually be a good beginners drug, BOZZ why do you think differently?
I am thinking now (before i get BOZZ's reply) that i will do a tren trans(saponified) alongside test(base) trans maybe frontloading with oral fina.
I am still in the planning phase though so i am very open to suggestions. Mind you though i do not have a source at the moment and will have to find one before i run anything i cannot make at home, thus the trans' and test base and tren.
thanks.
peace.
syko
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Okay now i think i have it down; for post cycle i am going to run clomid, fuzu, and zma. I am running two bottles one with 12-15g test base and one with 12-15g tren base (amounts dependent on how they dissolve), also i am frontloading with oral fina because i am not starting the test until i can end both bottles at the same time. Also i am doing two sauirts tren morning and one at night ED and three squirts test morning and one at night ED and run it until it runs out. So about a 10-11 week cycle, the tren shuts you down i know but running it with the test the test will help with the deca dick i think.
Critique?
thanks.
peace.
Critique?
thanks.
peace.
macattack
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I started 1-T/4AD trans 3weeks ago then last week started with 80 mg x 2 a day of tren separate from test, using tren on foot with wrap. No sides as yet except last night woke up after 4 hours sleep wide awake and a vail of rage washed over me it was a strange feeling so maybe the tren is starting to kick in a bit, felt like hitting the gym but it was 2 am LOL.
And from all i have read it is best to run test with tren, the point being argued most is they fight for the same receptor, but, you dont shut down from the tren so harshly if you add the test so its up to you and i doubt but could be wrong, that were not going to shut down enough to cause problems like if you were using the pin since the amount of delivery is so much higher with that method, i asked YJ on another thread what he thought of that without an answer yet, is it even healthy to shut down in that way,seems like an AWFUL shock to the system, not making excuses for not wanting to inject but also i worry about my health a bit.
And from all i have read it is best to run test with tren, the point being argued most is they fight for the same receptor, but, you dont shut down from the tren so harshly if you add the test so its up to you and i doubt but could be wrong, that were not going to shut down enough to cause problems like if you were using the pin since the amount of delivery is so much higher with that method, i asked YJ on another thread what he thought of that without an answer yet, is it even healthy to shut down in that way,seems like an AWFUL shock to the system, not making excuses for not wanting to inject but also i worry about my health a bit.
macattack
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OK.
Patrick Arnold writes the following about 1-Testosterone:
"Although chemically the only difference between testosterone and 1-testosterone is the position of the double bond, pharmacologically the two products are quite different. According to research done by the pharmaceutical giant G.D. Searle and published in the 1960s, 1-testosterone is over 7 times as myotrophic (anabolic) as testosterone(1). That makes 1-testosterone a phenomenally potent compound, surpassing even most synthetic anabolic steroids."
"1-testosterone differs from testosterone in another way as well. Being a 5alpha-reduced androgen (a DHT derivative) it simply cannot aromatize to estrogens. The same goes for 1-AD itself — no estrogen transformation can occur. This makes 1-AD unique compared to other prohormones — all of which can either aromatize directly, convert to a product that aromatizes, or both. So what does this mean in the real world? It means that your chances of getting gynecomastia (bitch tits) from 1-AD is essentially zero, and that water retention side effects are vastly reduced compared to other prohormones."
I'll try it this way for now and maybe if i am not satisfied with the results i'll try another, this is my second cycle and i am still learning alot of things and asking questions, i just hate the idea of shutting down so hard, that worrys me and if the end results are the same with trans then are with injection which i do not see much disimilaritys, there are gains either way i'll stick to the safer of the 2. Even if transdermals are a pain in the ass to do....
Patrick Arnold writes the following about 1-Testosterone:
"Although chemically the only difference between testosterone and 1-testosterone is the position of the double bond, pharmacologically the two products are quite different. According to research done by the pharmaceutical giant G.D. Searle and published in the 1960s, 1-testosterone is over 7 times as myotrophic (anabolic) as testosterone(1). That makes 1-testosterone a phenomenally potent compound, surpassing even most synthetic anabolic steroids."
"1-testosterone differs from testosterone in another way as well. Being a 5alpha-reduced androgen (a DHT derivative) it simply cannot aromatize to estrogens. The same goes for 1-AD itself — no estrogen transformation can occur. This makes 1-AD unique compared to other prohormones — all of which can either aromatize directly, convert to a product that aromatizes, or both. So what does this mean in the real world? It means that your chances of getting gynecomastia (bitch tits) from 1-AD is essentially zero, and that water retention side effects are vastly reduced compared to other prohormones."
I'll try it this way for now and maybe if i am not satisfied with the results i'll try another, this is my second cycle and i am still learning alot of things and asking questions, i just hate the idea of shutting down so hard, that worrys me and if the end results are the same with trans then are with injection which i do not see much disimilaritys, there are gains either way i'll stick to the safer of the 2. Even if transdermals are a pain in the ass to do....
dodgeee-O
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syko said:
Bro, you're gonna read hundreds of different opinions on when to run it. From what i've read (i've never used) but run it at beginning and then run test to help aid with recovery. Why no run both at same time with the test running for a few weeks longer. You're not gonna want to be applying a transdermal for 12 straight weeks......atleast I wouldn't want to, pain in the ass and irritation will occur.
RVEXLER
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TREN SHUT-DOWN
The reason that you run test with tren is that tren will virtually eliminate all of your endogenous testosterone production (the testosterone that your body produces on its own). You are adding back into your body the test (and then some) that is no longer circulating in your bloodstream. This will help with loss of libido, etc.
macattack said:
The reason that you run test with tren is that tren will virtually eliminate all of your endogenous testosterone production (the testosterone that your body produces on its own). You are adding back into your body the test (and then some) that is no longer circulating in your bloodstream. This will help with loss of libido, etc.
pogue
Banned
macattack said:
Its not a bogus product. 1-test is basically a DHT boldenone. I don't get when people say 1-test converts to DHT. It IS DHT. Tren is a 19-nor DHT derivitive. But, they do have different chemical properties that makes them unique, but the idea is to pick one or the other.
pogue
Banned
syko said:
I recommend running the test and tren together the entire time. If you run one later than the other, its going to shut down your natural production greater than doing one or the other. Leave the dosages the same throughout the entire cycle, don't increase them. It could be argued that you could taper down towards the end of the cycle, but I think this is a waste of time. Don't frontload with oral fina, this is a waste. If you have some extra pellets, mail them to me
I would probably run this cycle 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, and 4 weeks on. Fina is know to shut you down hard, and a lot of people like it for short cycles. Just an opinion though.
Bean
Ectomorph man
oh no no, i am a very strong supporter of 1-test 
I've been on two cycles with it and had great results...
what i'm saying tho; its a waste of money to run both... if you got the money to pay for tren (because its more expensive); then there's no point in using more money on 1-test
I've been on two cycles with it and had great results...what i'm saying tho; its a waste of money to run both... if you got the money to pay for tren (because its more expensive); then there's no point in using more money on 1-test
RVEXLER
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syko said:
Most likely you will scream bloody murder as a gun-like device is used to implant them. It's probably slightly less painful than being branded. Second, you will probably develop a nasty abscess. One version of finaplix has an antibiotic with each dose due to the fact that 10-20% of the implants get infected.
pogue
Banned
syko said:
component th is a better deal, we just say 'fina' for everything because its short and sweet i guess. don't bother with the precycle trib, you're only producing like 5mg of test a day, and when you start doing 100+mg then your test will naturally stop production, there is no way to combat this except with shorter cycles and post cycle recovery.
Also, bump on RVEXLER - don't use the gun