T-Gel vs Avant Labs Formula

[TheUsual]

I'd like to know where the notion is coming from that T-Gel > AL's carrier (Customizing Gel, Penetrate, Dermabolics) ?

I'm not saying it isn't, but simply asking where this idea came from. Last I read on the topic, over at Avant Labs' forum, Par Deus stated that the T-Gel formula is good but should be on the same level as his own (i.e.-not a noticable difference in absorption). Granted one could call him biased, but he no longer makes any money off of these formulas and he is the undisputed king of transdermal delivery knowledge.

Anyways I just keep seeing the "T-Gel is better" thing flying around on this board and was wondering if it had any scientific backing or if it was simply because of a bias caused by T-Gel being Chemo's product.

If the absorption rates are the same, give me customizing gel or dermabolics any day. It is alot easier to dissolve powder in the liquid vs the gel and easier to apply with oral syringe for exact measurement.

 

[Longdog]

I've used both several times & I really haven't noticed a difference. The new t-gel seems to absorb better than the old stuff, as claimed. They are both good, but I doubt we will ever see results to prove which is better.

I prefer T-gel for application purposes. It is much easier to dissolve powder in the liquids though.

 

[MarcusG]

Since the exact formular of dermabolics (or the new t-gel) is proprietary, no one knows for sure.

 

[Sir Foxx]

Let me state that if you compare the formula's, T-Gel is the obvious winner. By how much is up for debate but it is better hands down, just off the ingredient list.

Let me preface my next statement with this first. I think Par(Caleb) is a brilliant person, with great knowledge and an innovative nature, that has led to his company Avant being on the "cutting" edge. I don't use a lot of Avant's stuff, but the science behind most of if not all is solid. He and the rest of his company have a very good insight into being able to translate "paper(theory) into practice(real world).

That being said, Par's ego would never let him admit that Chemo's formula is better. Chemo, on the other hand, at least from my view, doesn't let ego interfere with what produces results. Result, T-Gel is "THE FORMULA" for transdermal.

 

[Par Deus]

Chemo's original formula was a half-assed knock-off of mine. With DMSO, it certainly is not bad, but that is a legally sketchy chemical.

No one associated with Chemo or the "homebrew" movement he started has ever given even an inclination that they have even a fvcking clue about transdermal science -- and, they have said plenty that made it obvious that they were utterly clueless on the subject

I don't make a penny, so I haven't the time to argue, but bb.com has plenty of discussion (and, of course, i wrote two massive articles on the subject which were fully referenced while the other party made claims supported by nothing more than the contents of their collective arses,)

If they have made improvements or even just changes in the last 1.5 years, I am unaware and offer no comment.

Let me state that if you compare the formula's, T-Gel is the obvious winner. By how much is up for debate but it is better hands down, just off the ingredient list.

Let me preface my next statement with this first. I think Par(Caleb) is a brilliant person, with great knowledge and an innovative nature, that has led to his company Avant being on the "cutting" edge. I don't use a lot of Avant's stuff, but the science behind most of if not all is solid. He and the rest of his company have a very good insight into being able to translate "paper(theory) into practice(real world).

That being said, Par's ego would never let him admit that Chemo's formula is better. Chemo, on the other hand, at least from my view, doesn't let ego interfere with what produces results. Result, T-Gel is "THE FORMULA" for transdermal.

 

[ersatz]

I think everyone liked T-gel because it was cheap and it worked as good as anything else out there. Also people seem to prefer a gel application as opposed to the spray. Now the rage seems to be PhloGel Ultra. Of course Sledge has a trans in the works that should blow them all away.