Syr SD/1,4add Spring Bulking

day 17 (SD day 9)

Morning Weight: -0.3kg. Hmmm... I was very hungry yesterday. Probably I didnt meet my protein intake. But I ate a lot of carbs. I think that for me SD is not carb hungry as most people say. I'm checking all meals today and If I dont gain at least 0.5kg tomorrow, I have to raise the SD to 20mg.
Notes: Triceps and joints still sore: delayed the back workout to tomorrow.
Sides: Costant pumps, but not painful.
 
day 18 (SD day 10)

Morning Weight: +0.3kg. At least I recovered what i lost yesterday. I ate probably 700 cals over my maintenance and LOTS of proteins. The gains are not enough, I need to raise the dosage. I'm taking 20mg from today for 5-6 days. When the gains will stop again, I'll end my fist SD cycle.
Total gains: +5 lbs from thre beginning.

Notes: Appetite up. It should be 1,4.
 
Took 10mg in the morning and 10mg 1h before going to the gym.

Today workout was back/shoulders/abs. The strenght finally arrived :)
I added about 5 lbs on most excercises. I'll see how goes friday with legs.
And I hope also that the weight gains continue with the increased dosage.

Pumps: Very strong at the gym. I'm still pumped now (3 h later). Not painful though.

Supplements change: Following Dr.D suggestion, I'm starting Fenugreek today at 520mg. My caps are pretty strong.
 
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day 20 (SD day 12)

Morning weight: It was stable yesterday (hmpf), but its up 0.7kg today :) I'm trying to be totally consistent with the diet and the raised dosage is paying off. I dont think the fenugreek played a role in this. I know that I gain the most 2-3 days after the gym day and being my weight been in a plateau for 3 days, this perfectly explains the increase.
Total gains: +6.2 lbs

Today is legs/abs workout. If there are news (like significant strenght increaase, I'll edit the post)

Sides: I was tired this morning, took one day off and slept other 3 hours. I feel perfectly fine now. Probably was just some accumulated lack of sleep/stress.

Supplements change: Started GXR yesterday. I'm taking 1 cap with the most carb rich meal (which is either lunch or dinner) and 1 cap post-workout. I'm adding 20g of carbs in my post-workout shake.
 
day 21 (SD day 13)

Morning weight: Slight increase: +0.3 kg I know that I need to eat more on gym days, but yesterday simply i couldnt find the time.
Total gains: +6.6 lbs
Strenght: Yesterday workout was quicker than usual, but it was very good. +22 pounds on the leg press :) +5/10 pounds on the other calf excercises. SD is giving me the confidence that i can push the weights further without the risk of breaking my joints and i love this :)
Sides: None :) Did I already say that I love SD? ;)
 
day 23 (SD day 15)

Morning weight: Holding stable +- 0.3lbs
Total gains: 6.5 lbs circa

Slight increases: Not spectacular, but I felt a lot of endurance, like i could do N sets of the same reps on the bench press, but I couldnt increase the weight, pity.
Sides: None

I think its time to stop the first SD minicycle, unless tomorrow weight is sensibly higher.
Supplement changes: Changed the workout drink: Vendetta (EAA+carbs)+5g liquid protein +5g taurine in place of plain water (500ml). The endurance I experienced yesterday COULD be from this rather than from SD, but I have my doubts.
Substituted absolved with Lean Xtreme, 2 caps daily, gotta raise the dosage. Taking 3 today.
The same day I stop SD i'll start the forksolin at 100mg 2x day.
 
day 26 (SD day 18)

Morning weight: Raised yesterday, and its holding stable now. I didnt weight all the past days. +0.6kg since the last measurement in this log
Total gains: 7.9 lbs These gains are amazing for me, considering that i'm a frickin' hardgainer and that i'm SMALL.

Slight increases: I hope its better during today back workout. I plan to stop SD. Taking only 10mg today and tomorrow, then stop.
Sides: None

Supps: I'm taking 3 caps of lean extreme, 2 in the morning and 1 at lunch. I plan to add another one in the evening if i still dont feel joint pain.
I finished my bottle of red rice yeast yesterday and I'm saving the second one for the next SD mini cycle. I CANT find policosanol in europe and i'm pissed off.

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Day 28 (SD day 19)

Morning weight: +0.4kg i reduce the dose and the weight raises and after a gym day! I have no words. I'm gonna end this week with SD @10mg. I think that 1,4 is definitely contributing to the gains at this point.
Total gains: 8.8 lbs. Amazing.

Strenght: Very Good back/shoulders workout yesterday! +5 lbs on all excercises. I had one very nice episode at the gym yesterday. I do 4x 12-10-8-6 dumbbell shoulder presses as my main shoulder excercise. Yesterday, after doing the first 3 sets, the last one was too difficult. I wondered why, changed the weight with a lighter one and checked my program. I was using heavier dumbbells without noticing it! An evil grin stamped on my face.

Sides: I feel my stomach always full, expecially after a meal and my abdominal muscles tensed. Its not like a indigestion, its the muscles around. this sounds like what someone experienced with back pumps, but its on the front for me lol. Not painful anyway. This is the very only side effect i'm experiencing.

Supps: No change, altough i'm going to figure the best way to take GXR.
 
Sorry I am an SD newb, as I never took the time to research it before, but:

Why are you taking a break from the SD in the middle of your cycle, why not run it concurrently with the 1,4? I knwo this is done with M1T b/c of its harsh effects, but I thought SD was supposed to be fairly safe on the liver, etc.

Help me out :)
 
TheUsual said:
Sorry I am an SD newb, as I never took the time to research it before, but:

Why are you taking a break from the SD in the middle of your cycle, why not run it concurrently with the 1,4? I knwo this is done with M1T b/c of its harsh effects, but I thought SD was supposed to be fairly safe on the liver, etc.

Help me out :)
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Because SD gains (both strenght and mass) diminish significantly after 3 weeks for the majority of the people. I will run 1,4 for all the cycle lenght, though. This is the main reason. The loading week of 1,4 was intended to make it kick in just when i stop SD (or sort of ;) )

For me SD is not harsh, but I feel that its strong. I'm feeling tired (altough not letargic) this week, the gains reduced (i thought the mass gains stopped, but they actually didnt). But I also feel "super" while on this stuff, so I dont want to stop it ;) I think that 3 weekers is the best lenght to run SD for me.

Check other logs, others did 3on/2off/3on SD cycles and loved them.

There are other two secondary reasons, related to safety (i'm VERY concerned about my health):
1) Lipid profile. Expecially without doing bloodwork after 2-3 weeks, I would not run SD for more than 4 weeks. Moreover, I could only find red rice yeast to control cholesterol and thats supposedly not too nice on the liver. I have 2 bottles of it, running 15 days along the SD minicycles.
2) RBC (red blood count) increase is not good for long periods of time (but long here is 6+ weeks). 3 weeks would be totally safe on this, but still i'm taking 0.1mg of aspirin as preventive measure. I think i am the only guy here that did this. Boldenone does that too, but here the small conversion rate of 1,4 plays his role on the safe side.

M1T is off my list of substances i would ever consider for a cycle. There is a good list of AAS both oral and trans that can be safe if used consciously.
 
Are you going to do bloodtests any time? I'm trying to get it done before my next cycle but money is tight.
 
DmitryWI said:
Are you going to do bloodtests any time? I'm trying to get it done before my next cycle but money is tight.
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Same here. And i just preordered 2 more bottles of SD. I pay for blood tests here, so, i think i'll do at the end of my cycle, instead than now.
 
day 30 (SD day 21)

Morning weight: +0.4kg. Again! Gains stopped yesterday and up today. Sweet. I checked the waist and it didnt increase. LX and GXR may play some role here.

Total gains: 9.6 lbs.

Strenght: Very Good legs/bi/abs workout. I didnt note my heaviest leg press last week but i'm pretty sure i went up of another 22lbs yesterday :)
Anyway, strenght gains are holding. Arent explosive (with a couple of exceptions), but there are and I love it.

Sides: Muscle fatigue, expecially legs. This basically started 3 days ago. Walking makes me terribly tired: I think any kind of resistance training is a total no-no while on SD.
I'm not letargic at all, its something different. It could be glycogen depletion, but is sort of strange. Let me explain. I was FATIGUED when i hit the gym, after walking about 15 mins (yeah, go figure!). I did a shortened byke, but at higher difficulty. No pain. I did squat, leg press and front leg curls. My legs felt BETTER, not worse! And remained in an overall better state the rest of the day. Its like SD wants me to go to the gym everyday! LOL.

Anyway, today is the last day of the first SD minicycle.
 
Beowulf said:
:think: Uhhhhh???That is a confusing comment. Tell me that is a misprint.
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No, its not a misprint. For me at least, after a little more than 2 weeks i'm feeling this muscle fatigue, particularly on the legs.
*Walking* for 15+ minutes was *painful* yesterday. I had to stop a couple times. I had a 25min walk on monday and that was a lil tiring but not in the same way.
For me a SD cycle cant last more than 3 weeks.

Now the strangest thing was the positive effect of hard anaerobic training. If it was glicogen depletion, it should have been WORSE after working out. I cant really explain, it must be something else.
Hopefully for me, I have a sedentary lifestyle and i dont have to do long walks or even cardio and i can reduce recreational activities which involves long walks for a week ;), altough the high speed bike wasnt painful as i thought, but i put only 4 mins.

I'll update on this in the next days. I think SD has effect for about 5-7 days after stopping it, but this fatigue shouldnt be getting worse.
 
Regarding fatigue-- Maybe you need more recovery time than you think? Just an idea.

Regarding aerobic training -- it could be the 1,4ad. I noticed the treadmill was much easier while on this.
 
Maybe it is my confusion, but isn't resistance training another term for weight training? I think what you are saying is that cardio is a no-no. Or maybe i'm the one who has the terms wrong.
 
Beowulf said:
Maybe it is my confusion, but isn't resistance training another term for weight training? I think what you are saying is that cardio is a no-no. Or maybe i'm the one who has the terms wrong.
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I here what ur saying, i was confused on this as well. :think: lol
 
I'm subscribing to this one....
Looks good so far!
 
rrgg said:
Regarding fatigue-- Maybe you need more recovery time than you think? Just an idea.
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Nope, the recovery is really double than usual. Altough I had to delay a couple of workouts recently, so it could be the opposite. Like SD wants that i hit the gym more lol.

Let me explain what i meant with "resistance training", I meant long sessions of cardio or speaking of weights lots of reps with very low weights, at the extremes of training for "resistance", like 20+ reps. I havent tried this but I got the feeling that it would be painful for me. I think its a matter of DURATION of the excercise.

Regarding aerobic training -- it could be the 1,4ad. I noticed the treadmill was much easier while on this.
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It was exactly the opposite: harder, and painful for me after just 15 mins of fast pace walk.
 
RobInKuwait said:
Where'd you get cramps? I got mine in the back and calves.
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They were not exactly cramps, but, i'd say calves, tights and lower back (left side).
 
day 31 (off SD 1)

Morning weight: +0.1kg. Basically stable. It could be the tiramisu i ate yesterday (cant resist ;) )

Total gains: 9.9 lbs. Lets say 10 ;)

Strenght: I hope for a good improvement in chest workout today, since it didnt go up as it should so far.

Sides: Muscle fatigue. It will subside in a few days i'm sure. Yesterday I had some lower back pain.

Supps: Starting forksolin today.
 
Syr, would you consider doing a Do & Don't list when you are finished with a summary of the cycle (amounts, length of time for particular PH's and supplements, protocol, etc.)?

I am going to start my own SD and 1,4 ad stack next week and your log has been very useful.

I realize that you started with a list, but it changed over the cycle and you seemed to change as you needed to during it. Seems like a summary would be a great way to finish it off, just a suggestion.
 
sirpsycho said:
Syr, would you consider doing a Do & Don't list when you are finished with a summary of the cycle (amounts, length of time for particular PH's and supplements, protocol, etc.)?

I am going to start my own SD and 1,4 ad stack next week and your log has been very useful.

I realize that you started with a list, but it changed over the cycle and you seemed to change as you needed to during it. Seems like a summary would be a great way to finish it off, just a suggestion.
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Yes, I will.
So far I cant tell If 1,4 is worth a thing. But I have still hope.
I always change on course, I have a good feeling on how my body act and react, but i try to stick with the essential to not compromise the validity of the log. I'm running 1,4 @ 1g circa ED. I ran SD for 3 weeks instead of stopping at 2 since i could bear the sides. and I will do another 3 weeker as planned.
I wish i knew more and i had started some ancillary from the beginning (namely 7oh and GXR): i could have avoided a little fat. Anyway my waist size is still LESS than it was on the peak of my last cycle when i weighted 9 lbs less and had some water.
 
day 34 (off SD 4)

Weight: It went a little down 2 days ago but its still at the peak now. The 10lbs of gain seems solid :) No more than 2lbs are fat.

Strenght: Good chest/tri workout today. Finally I added 10lb on flat bench and 5 on incline bench.

Sides: The tremendous muscle fatigue that impaired long walks finally went off :)

Supps: No change. I think to feel some fat mobilization effect from forskolin, but its too early to say.
 
Sides: The tremendous muscle fatigue that impaired long walks finally went off :)
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How is the hairloss, if any?

Or... how does it compare to other PH/AAS you've tried? Thanks
 
rrgg said:
How is the hairloss, if any?

Or... how does it compare to other PH/AAS you've tried? Thanks
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Oh i just finished replying in another thread about these matters.
I am no prone to hairloss, BUT I have BPH and so very androgenic compounds are a no-no for me.
I rate SD on pair of m4ohn. 1-Test was WORSE. I havent tried much gear yet. Hope this helps.
 
day 39 (off SD 9)

A little update to just post that my weight is stable, fluctuating in the last half kilo.
SD effects wiped off after 4 days since i stopped it.
Yesterday workout was just fine. Strenght is staying.

Sides: A little of back acne, started when i stopped SD hmm. I'm fighting it manually ;)

Supps: I dont remember if i said that i'm taking LX 4 caps/dy. I think thats my dose. Waist is under control, so its working.
 
How are you breaking up the Lean Xtreme throughout the day....could you still see results off of 3 or is 4 much better?
 
MaNiaK1027 said:
How are you breaking up the Lean Xtreme throughout the day....could you still see results off of 3 or is 4 much better?
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As Sledge suggested me to do.
2 caps in the morning
1 cap after 4h
Then i felt that wasnt enough and I added another cap, pre-workout or before bed.
With 7OH youhave to ramp until u feel sore on your joints and then take a cap less.
 
day 45 Started PCT

Due to a couple of businees trips scheduled for the second half of this month, I decided to not waste SD doing a second minicycle in which i could workout only 4-5 times.
So I started pct 3 days ago.
Total days of 1,4 have been 42. My judgement on it is: almost worthless. The only benefit i got is appetite increase (which is still present).
SD: 3 weeks, net gain 9lbs and decent strenght. The extra lb was water.

Also, I stopped taking forskolin, I prefer to use it on cycle. I dont want potential extra estrogens right now.

I'll be doing 3 weeks of PCT with Rebound XT only (til the end of the month).
Dosing will be the following:
days 1-3: 25mg
days 4-7: 50mg
days 8-15: 75mg
days 16-21: 50mg

After other 3 weeks off, I'll start a recomp cycle (gotta figure yet what exactly use).
 
Syr said:
Total days of 1,4 have been 42. My judgement on it is: almost worthless.
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Doooooooooohhhhhhhh!!!!!!

I was afraid you were going to say that.

I bought 4 bottles of 90 caps of 200mg before the ban. I can't believe I pissed about $250 away on that ****. I kept hearing all these great things about 1,4, so I bought it. Right after it arrived I kept reading that it was bunk. I can't even try to sell it to someone b/c I put all the caps in a vitamin bottle so that it would be indiscreet.

Syr, thanks for keeping a great log. It was informative, even if I didn't like this last bit of information.
 
Beowulf said:
Doooooooooohhhhhhhh!!!!!!

I was afraid you were going to say that.

I bought 4 bottles of 90 caps of 200mg before the ban. I can't believe I pissed about $250 away on that ****. I kept hearing all these great things about 1,4, so I bought it. Right after it arrived I kept reading that it was bunk. I can't even try to sell it to someone b/c I put all the caps in a vitamin bottle so that it would be indiscreet.

Syr, thanks for keeping a great log. It was informative, even if I didn't like this last bit of information.
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Well u know, 150$ to have an appetite stimulation effect its a bit ovrerkill dont u think. BTW, It wasnt very suppressive at all.
The dione MAY work well, if u got that instead of the diol, its worth a try.

Its not on ban list and if someone trust u, you can still sell it. I think it works for someone, old people maybe ;)

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I do have the dione, but I don't think the reviews have been much better. Maybe it will work for a cutter. It is frequently touted as being good for this purpose.
 
just hi-dose it. It's not totally worthless, and synergistically should be helpful. I mean, it might not be worth all that dough, but all is not lost! (...I should be a motivational speaker...)
 
Thank you for restoring meaning to my life, Milwood. I believe Syr was running 1000mg per day. That is pretty damn high already, and probably the amount I will use. I do have the dione, so that is a plus.
 
BTW, It wasnt very suppressive at all
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This is interesting, because I experienced the opposite. I found it worked but was too suppressive for me. The latter is the reason I probably won't use what I have left.
 
day 60 (circa :) )

Finished PCT yesterday. Used rebound for almost 4 weeks, pyramiding the dosages the following and switching after 5 days:
25/50/75/50/25.

The work trips I had during this PCT made me very tired and i lost more than 1kg with each, but I recovered it all the weight loss in the resting week after.
I believe 1,4 was still holding in my blood to a certain degree and that the loss was mostly glicogen, water and fat.
Actually I look BETTER in the mirror and about 1,5cm of belly are gone.

This means that I can assest 8.5lbs of LBM with this cycle and that I'm very happy.

Now, after reading CEDeoudes59 bloodtests I decided to take another RYR course, one week before the end of PCT, then I'll do another week and then finally i'll go to get my blood drew for testing.
Then I'll see if there is space for a second SD 3 weeker or I have just to wait for the summer recomp I planned.
 
Syr said:
Finished PCT yesterday. Used rebound for almost 4 weeks, pyramiding the dosages the following and switching after 5 days:
25/50/75/50/25.

The work trips I had during this PCT made me very tired and i lost more than 1kg with each, but I recovered it all the weight loss in the resting week after.
I believe 1,4 was still holding in my blood to a certain degree and that the loss was mostly glicogen, water and fat.
Actually I look BETTER in the mirror and about 1,5cm of belly are gone.

This means that I can assest 8.5lbs of LBM with this cycle and that I'm very happy.

Now, after reading CEDeoudes59 bloodtests I decided to take another RYR course, one week before the end of PCT, then I'll do another week and then finally i'll go to get my blood drew for testing.
Then I'll see if there is space for a second SD 3 weeker or I have just to wait for the summer recomp I planned.
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Nice work, SYR. Definitely wanna see how your blood work goes.
Has that RXT pyaramid idea been discussed/suggested around, or did you come up with that? I'm trying to devise my own scheme for PCT which includes nolva and RXT (but less of each), so this idea interests me.
 
milwood said:
Nice work, SYR. Definitely wanna see how your blood work goes.
Has that RXT pyaramid idea been discussed/suggested around, or did you come up with that? I'm trying to devise my own scheme for PCT which includes nolva and RXT (but less of each), so this idea interests me.
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My idea, considering the use of clomid and HCG starting at the end of the cycle and continuing during PCT. The reason behind this was the presence of a long lasting hormone (boldenone) in my blood for 2-4 weeks after the last dose, based on some empiric data.
Anyway, while I was doing this, I asked Dr.D and he said that it was smart :)

Now that I finished PCT, I can say that it did good. I didnt feel really shut down for any moment during and after the cycle. I should have stopped 1,4 at the same time I finished the SD minicycle, but my plans got changed off my control and so I adapted the course of action at my best. I'll repeat ab nauseam, I'm really happy with this cycle and I dont see the time to run SD again for 3 weeks. Bloodtests will tell.

I think Dr.D posted somewhere his protocol for Nolva+6oxo, it was sort of a crossed ramping of each compound, with RXT added to Nolva I have no idea of the best protocol.
 
Beowulf said:
Thank you for restoring meaning to my life, Milwood. I believe Syr was running 1000mg per day. That is pretty damn high already, and probably the amount I will use. I do have the dione, so that is a plus.[/QUOTE

I bought the bulknitrition brand (dione version). Took about 1200mg everday and did not get ANYTHING i mean ANYTHING from it, its worthless in my opinion.
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