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Has anyone converted it and used it in a transdermal, would it work? How do you convert it?
Nice board BTW.
Nice board BTW.
So how does the method work? Let's get down to the chemistry of itA bro of mine tried the animal kit and since I have convenient access to an HPLC I ran it through. It came back just a hair over 1.2% estradiol. He used this in a transdermal mix and had no [significant] estrogenic sides other than some bloat. As a matter of fact he LOVED it.
He decided to process another batch and this time I helped. It was analyzed and found to contain .8% estradiol. He is currently sitting on this.
Although these are limited trials I would guess that 1% estradiol after conversion would be a fair estimate for the masses. I actually expected LOWER amounts of estradiol than we found since the separation should have been a little more efficient. This amount may have adverse sides for some and may not for others.
EDIT: ADD SEPARATION METHOD WITH NO KIT
For those that are interested here's how to do animal's conversion without the kit:
(1)Dissolve the pellets in methanol (heet)...maybe 2 bottles for 10 carts.
(2) Add 2 or 3 tablespoons of saturated sodium hydroxide solution, stir and let sit for a day or two. This cleaves the esters and makes estradiol SOLUBLE in water.
(3) Add about a liter or so of water...the test base will precipitate.
(4) Filter and wash with water several times. This removes more estradiol and excess hydroxide. Check the pH if possible and verify it is neutral. Or, just wash the heck out of it.
(5) Let dry and enjoy 18-20 g test base!
EDIT: ADD ANALYSIS INFO FOR NO KIT METHOD
The product from 3 batches were analyzed and found to contain an average of .5% estradiol.
Wardog,BTW, for those that have also tried the fina saponification and had roughly 50% yield --> we are making progress. There has been one member that reported an original yield of ~50%. After further workup of *saved rinse solution* had a 99% YIELD!!!
F U C K kits...
Red Devil Lye is sodium hydroxide pellets and is the preferred method for obtaining sodium hydroxide. It is available from most hardware stores for a few dollars.I saw somewhere that Red Devil Lye is Sodium hydroxide, am I wrong?
I found mine at my local Albertson's Grocery Store next to the Drano.
Red Devil Lye is sodium hydroxide pellets and is the preferred method for obtaining sodium hydroxide. It is available from most hardware stores for a few dollars.
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What and how is it used in the process?BDC,
Any idea where to get the sodium tert-butoxide?
And be careful when doing it..the pellets fall to the bootm of the water and lay there..when you mix them..you get quite a heat (exothermic) reaction...select your dish with care. I strongly suggest pyrex.
Red Devil Lye is sodium hydroxide pellets and is the preferred method for obtaining sodium hydroxide. It is available from most hardware stores for a few dollars.
To make a saturated solution simply dissolve as many pellets in a small amount of water as possible. A few tablespoons of water will dissolve a LOT of pellets...be warned. Also, there will typically be a white film on top and this is normal.
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Very good point...be careful when mixing this as thermal or chemical burns may result from contact.And be careful when doing it..the pellets fall to the bootm of the water and lay there..when you mix them..you get quite a heat (exothermic) reaction...select your dish with care. I strongly suggest pyrex.
I did NOT filter before adding the Sodium Hydroxide.Question on the seperation........
Do we filter after adding the initial methanol to the pellets?
I thought that was how we got rid of the filler. Or, do we just combine the methanol and the NaOH together?
I take it that the seperation goes just like dazed's method on synokit.com and that the "estrogen solubilizer" is saturated sodium hydroxide. any help on this?
One thing to keep in mind here is the intended method of administration. Dazed has an excellent kit (the only one I support) for separating and converting synovex for INJECTABLE preparation. For our purposes the filler does not have to be separated since it won't be injected. It does make for a "dirty" extraction but an effective one nonetheless.Question on the seperation........
Do we filter after adding the initial methanol to the pellets?
I thought that was how we got rid of the filler. Or, do we just combine the methanol and the NaOH together?
I take it that the seperation goes just like dazed's method on synokit.com and that the "estrogen solubilizer" is saturated sodium hydroxide. any help on this?
You can either filter it now or do as you suggest with the sterile filtering. Either one will work but the caustic nature may clog the filter if you do it now. My recommendation is to wait and sterile filter it.Originally posted by Brock Landers
I added NaOH to the methanol before filtering the crap out. Is it possible to filter before adding the water, or am I screwed
Wait, if I treat the test crystals like they are Fina (once the seperation is complete), could I sterile filter the crystals once I put them in the BA +BB + Oil Solution to remove the filler like in Fina Conversions???????
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