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Swoody's H-Drol & Dermacrine LV log

swoody

swoody

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Bio-
28 yrs old
lifting for 10 yrs
Personal trainer looking to gain a bit of size to market myself a bit better (kind of hypocrytical since I kick my clients a$$es and here I am taking a hormonal product... Oh well! Image sells... :D )
5 ft 9, 160 lbs (I've had the metabolism of an Olympic distance runner my whole life, so I'm a bit on the lean side) but VERY small bones/joints, so whenever I put anything on it really shows...at 175 on my past cycle people told me I looked like I was taking something... oh well.

Cycle experience-

Superdrol 10, 20, 20- put on 15 lbs and shot up to 175... 50 lb strength increases in most lifts... kept it all for a couple years and then lost it all when I went through a divorce... which leads me to believe through the process of elimination that

committed relationships = catabolic :D

I'm running the stack as follows...
Pre-loaded Cycle Support 2 wks
Hdrol- 50, 50, 75, 75, 90, 90
Dermacrine from weeks 2 through 6

Other supps-
Zinc w/copper
Muira Puama
Choline
Huperzine-A
5000 IU's D3
occasional P-5-P if I see gyno coming on
Cycle Support
Myogenix Liver Fix

If anyone has any recommendations of something I could throw in for more gains that won't give me hairloss or TOO much of a libido drop I'm all ears...

Nolva 20, 10, 10, 10
HCG on hand (thinking of running 250-500 IUs E4D last 2 weeks of cycle and 1st week of pct... 1st cycle I was shut down HARD even with proper pct)
Sustain Alpha and Toco-8 weeks 2-6 of pct

Diet is on point... not eating really clean, but getting 200 g protein and 3500 cal. daily...

Hitting gym 4 days a week, limited to no cardio... this will be a bulk.


Day 4-

Already up 3 lbs and banged out 2 more reps on BB bench...

Sides- None.

Libido is up quite a bit... birthday is on Tues so the libido boost is a welcome little bonus...
 
5th day- up another lb (+4 lbs)

Increased muscle fullness due to increased glycogen retention... increased recovery (not nearly as bad DOMS as before I started)

Sides- Just a BIT of lethargy, but I mainly attribute this to an antihistamine I took last night for sleep (and to keep my appetite raging)- apparently antihistamines like to hang around with the drowsy effects clear into the next day... blah. Dermacrine will help with lethargy when I start to bump up the dosage... it should be here next week. Aggression has been up for a couple days... another added bonus for me. Alpha-male mentality lately...

The only thing I can link the rapid increase in weight is because I have laid off any cycles for a few years... receptors must be fresh.

Libido still up... anything round and spherical morph into boobs :D
 
Didn't seem like anyone was paying attention to it, so I stopped logging... still running it though. I'll post an update of my progress tomorrow.
 
keep it pushin, swoody, anabolic inquiring minds want to know
 
Yeah definitely keep us updated mate! You must have just flown under the radar! :D
 
K, looks like I had a few lurkers on here:)

Day 26- up +10 lbs

Strength- up 20 lbs in bb shoulder press
Leg press- up to 630 for 10 reps (7 plates each side) (new PR)
DB bench- back up to 90 lb dumbells for 8 reps
Cable Rows- back up to 170 for 8 (old PR is 200)

Sides-

Lethargy
This has been the most prominent side I have noticed. Wasn't too bad when I was at 50 mg, but since I bumped it up to 75 I take naps pretty much every day.

Libido/Shutdown/Sexual sides
Was raging first couple weeks, 3rd week it started to take a hit and has since been coming down. Still there, just not as prominent. Note- I dropped the Dermacrine first 2 and a half weeks because it seemed that my libido as actually taking a hit when I was taking it towards the beginning. On days I didn't take it, libido was back to normal. My theory is I still wasn't shutdown at ALL, so the added estrogen conversion and preg from Dermacrine was doing more harm than good in that department. Since then I have added it back in and it seems to be helping with libido. Testicle size is down only slightly... kind of surprising, since S-drol made them raisins. For future H-drol cycles, I'll run Dermacrine when I up the dose only after 2 or 3 weeks into my cycle when I feel more shutdown and my joints are cracking more. Which leads me to...

Joints
Starting to sound like somebody is having fun with bubble packaging inside me. Dermacrine seems to be helping with this since I added it back in due to the increase in estrogen converstion.

Liver, BP
Started getting aches in the 2ed week... threw in some LIV-52 and its been gravy since then. Nothing beats it. BP is fine since I'm using Cycle Support. Side note... I don't know if anyone else experiences this when running liver supps, but good LORD... anything that comes from my colon smells like roadkill skunk after I take my liver supps. Even the dogs leave the room when I have gas...

DHT Sides
Started to shed a little on the 3rd week when I upped to 75 mg... have spiro on hand and wasn't using any since I wasn't getting any shedding up till then. Started using spiro and shedding stopped. A little backne...

Overall mood
Still very confident and alpha... temper is a little shorter on the road, but then again I live in Utah...

Looking VERY full, and BF has stayed pretty much the same. maybe up 1%, but thats pushing it. Great cycle so far... WOULD RECOMMEND THIS OVER SUPERDROL CLONES ANY DAY. I'm also going to keep the dose at 75 mg... going higher doesn't seem logical if I'm making great gains now and want to avoid more sides with a higher dosage. Might extend it out longer than 5 wks... maybe 6.
 
Awesome man...yeah I have been debating adding Dermacrine in my upcoming H-Drol/Furuza-a 6 weeker....looks like now, I definitely will. Especially considering my joints crack all the time right now even while I'm not taking anything..Believe I will start it the third week..been contemplating the following:
Week 1 - 50 HDROL
Week 2 - 75 HDROL
Week 3 - 75 H-Drol / 300 Furu
Week 4- 75 H-Drol / 300 Furu / Dermacrine
Week 5 - 75 H-Drol / 300 Furu / Dermacrine
Week 6 - 75 H-Drol / 300 Furu / Dermacrine
Week 7 - 300 Furu / Dermacrine
Weel 8 - 300 Furu / Dermacrine

Weeks 9-12(to 14 possibly) PCT - Nolva. Clomid and maybe some HCG
 
Looks solid. Its good that you are incorporating Dermacrine towards the 3rd week or so, as I believe that this product really shines when you start to get shut down. H-drol is notorious for causing joints to crack, and Dermacrine has really helped out. In your case HCG might be better if used for the last 2-3 weeks during your cycle, and if thats the route you decide to go, I'd cut out Dermacrine to avoid too much estrogen. There is a thread in here somewhere about proper hcg use being 250-500 IU's every 3-4 days on cycle to keep testes functioning and how it makes it harder to recover if used in PCT. I've decided not to incorporate it in my stack since it is so mild. For stacks that are as mild as mine, HCG can do more harm than good if your not shut down too bad. Here's the link...

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BUMPP!! looks great.
im starting to need to rec this prodcrt for every cycle I just cant help it .
Id say run SUSTAIN ALPHA LIQUA-VADE thew whole cycle and pct.
atleast next time.
this product is just a great non toxic addition with its Resveratrol juts feel it should be in all cycles now :-P.

this log looks great thow .
Look foward to seeing the end results you have :-)

GOOD LUCK!! :-)
 
Thanks Swoody...so you think HCG i definitely necessary for my cycle or is my cycle too mild for all three - Nolva, Clomid and HCG?
 
Everyones body chemistry is different. If you are hyper-sensitive to even mild compounds and have been severely shut down in the past from them, than hCG would be something to consider. If you bounce back easily, I'd save it for something a bit stronger (like if you decide to run a 19-Nor compound like Tren in the future). If you have it on hand and feel like sh1t on week 6, it might help. Personally I think that if you are going to run Nolva AND Clomid, you will be golden without hCG and borderline over-doing it by throwing it into the mix. I just have hCG on hand in case my test gets severely shut down on cycle, which isn't happening with my current cycle.

One thing is for sure... nothing gives you a more accurate reading of how shut down you are and if you need hCG than getting blood work done every 2-3 weeks during your cycle.

What do you have planned to run for liver/cholesterol/BP support during your stack?
 
I have 2 bottles of Liv52, 2 bottles of AI's Cycle Support, 2 bottles of CEL Cycle Assist and one bottle of CEL PCT Assist...I'm definitely covered on that end. Also, a lot of Taurine on hand for the pumps. I know the protocol for each support supplement. I'm just bugging because you are only on H-Drol and Derma and are really shut-down. I know that everyone is different BUT I guess I will get the HCG just in case because I don't have it just yet. Also, I know the best thing is to continually get blood work down, but, I just don't have a doc that will see me every couple of weeks to do so.
Also buggin because you feel so shut down just past the half-way point of your cycle.
 
I don't feel severely shut down... a little, but not much. H-drol is actually pretty mild in that aspect. Libido has taken a hit a little, but not severely. Its definitely still there. What I was saying in the update is I feel that dermacrine is best saved for when you start to feel a little shut down (usually by about the 3rd week) especially on a non-aromatizing compound like h-drol, since it dries up estrogen on cycle. Too little estrogen can cause libido problems just like too little testosterone, so saving Dermacrine where added estrogen would be beneficial (like a little later in a cycle of non-aromatizing compounds). My shut down symptoms have been very minimal.

Dermacrine LV is just as effective as transdermal... maybe moreso since you don't have to exfoliate, rotate application sites, etc. Alot more convenient. The LV versions use the same technology as pharmaceutical companies for getting the active ingredients to do their job. I'd say LV.
 
LV. Just as effective (maybe moreso) than transdermal. The LV products use the same technology as pharmaceutical companies to get the active ingredients to do the job. Plus its much more convenient than having to exfoliate, rotate application sites, etc...
 
swoody said:
K, looks like I had a few lurkers on here:)

Day 26- up +10 lbs

Strength- up 20 lbs in bb shoulder press
Leg press- up to 630 for 10 reps (7 plates each side) (new PR)
DB bench- back up to 90 lb dumbells for 8 reps
Cable Rows- back up to 170 for 8 (old PR is 200)

Sides-

Lethargy
This has been the most prominent side I have noticed. Wasn't too bad when I was at 50 mg, but since I bumped it up to 75 I take naps pretty much every day.

Libido/Shutdown/Sexual sides
Was raging first couple weeks, 3rd week it started to take a hit and has since been coming down. Still there, just not as prominent. Note- I dropped the Dermacrine first 2 and a half weeks because it seemed that my libido as actually taking a hit when I was taking it towards the beginning. On days I didn't take it, libido was back to normal. My theory is I still wasn't shutdown at ALL, so the added estrogen conversion and preg from Dermacrine was doing more harm than good in that department. Since then I have added it back in and it seems to be helping with libido. Testicle size is down only slightly... kind of surprising, since S-drol made them raisins. For future H-drol cycles, I'll run Dermacrine when I up the dose only after 2 or 3 weeks into my cycle when I feel more shutdown and my joints are cracking more. Which leads me to...

Joints
Starting to sound like somebody is having fun with bubble packaging inside me. Dermacrine seems to be helping with this since I added it back in due to the increase in estrogen converstion.

Liver, BP
Started getting aches in the 2ed week... threw in some LIV-52 and its been gravy since then. Nothing beats it. BP is fine since I'm using Cycle Support. Side note... I don't know if anyone else experiences this when running liver supps, but good LORD... anything that comes from my colon smells like roadkill skunk after I take my liver supps. Even the dogs leave the room when I have gas...

DHT Sides
Started to shed a little on the 3rd week when I upped to 75 mg... have spiro on hand and wasn't using any since I wasn't getting any shedding up till then. Started using spiro and shedding stopped. A little backne...

Overall mood
Still very confident and alpha... temper is a little shorter on the road, but then again I live in Utah...

Looking VERY full, and BF has stayed pretty much the same. maybe up 1%, but thats pushing it. Great cycle so far... WOULD RECOMMEND THIS OVER SUPERDROL CLONES ANY DAY. I'm also going to keep the dose at 75 mg... going higher doesn't seem logical if I'm making great gains now and want to avoid more sides with a higher dosage. Might extend it out longer than 5 wks... maybe 6.
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LOL. Good log.

About the liver supps, yeah the gas thing is common. Increased bile production and excretion; bile dumps into stomach; stomach contents empty quickly; gas smells like the bathroom at work when everyone is taking their morning coffee $hits (can make a grown man gag...) Last cycle, with the liver supps I was using (including UDCA which is a bile acid itself), I was trying to run away from myself a few times and saying "dayum!" repeatedly.:AR15firing:

As far as hair loss, I assume you are using topical spiro? Have you ever tried using Nizoral AD alone or in addition to the spiro? Nizoral/Nizoral AD is pretty good in this department IME. And the lather that ends up on your neck and forehead and upper back will actually help clear up any acne you have too. Running Toco 8 by PP from start to finish for your cycle can also help with the hairline too. I like combining Toco 8 and then shampoo with something like head and shoulders to "pre-clean" the scalp and follow that with a small amount of Nizoral AD when I am on cycle. If you use the Nizoral after using a regular shampoo too, then it only takes a small amount to generate a massive amount of lather (whereas if you go straight to the Nizoral, it doesn't want to lather worth a d@mn and you have to use a lot of it).

Regarding the part in bold, those are some interesting (and useful) comments about the Dermacrine. I think it definitely has a place in certain cycles; the trick is to find the right place and the weeks in which to run it. I'll be thinking about these things when I do a Dermacrine stack in the future.

Again, excellent comments.
 
bboystylz said:
Thanks Swoody...so you think HCG i definitely necessary for my cycle or is my cycle too mild for all three - Nolva, Clomid and HCG?
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I'd personally pick one SERM (probably Nolvadex out of the choice provided) and run it at a low dose for 4-5 weeks, possibly 20/20/10/10, certainly no higher than 20mg/day.

Do you bboy btw mate? interesting screen name! :D
 
Yeah...I would tend to agree with you UKStrength...I was just looking to cover all bases considering that I will be taking 3 products stretched out over a 8 week time frame...H-Drol, Furuza-a and Dermacrine...
 
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