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[FRITZBLITZ]

fueledpassion

Is that^ what you have used (I cant remember datbtrue's formula)? I vaguely recall you suggesting pinning total weekly amount for 3 pins (Mon tues wed) to get levels up, but cant remember what drug that was and if it was applicable across the board.

The 1300 is correct based on the equation. But is the front loaded does just the first week or for multiple weeks?

So I can't remember where my notes came from, other than he wrote over ten pages of all these neat tricks, equations, and how to make a persice cycle. In his method using this calculation you only fload the very first pin. IE one thing he broke down
The following is the amount metabolize week 1 when frontloading for 500mg/week:
Day 1: Inject 600mgs Test Enthantate Metabolize 62 mg
Day 2: Metabolize 55 mg
Day 3: Metabolize 49 mg
Day 4: Inject 250 mgs Test Enthantate Metabolize 70 mg
Day 5: Metabolize 62 mg
Day 6: Metabolize 55 mg
Day 7: Metabolize 49 mg

VS

Day 1: Inject 250 mg of Testosterone Enthantate Metabolize 26 mg
Day 2: Metabolize 23 mg
Day 3: Metabolize 21 mg
Day 4: Inject 250 mg of Test Enthantate Metabolize 44 mg
Day 5: Metabolize 39 mg
Day 6: Metabolize 35mg
Day 7: Metabolize 31 mg

 

[mirmod2002]

So I can't remember where my notes came from, other than he wrote over ten pages of all these neat tricks, equations, and how to make a persice cycle. In his method using this calculation you only fload the very first pin. IE one thing he broke down
The following is the amount metabolize week 1 when frontloading for 500mg/week:
Day 1: Inject 600mgs Test Enthantate Metabolize 62 mg
Day 2: Metabolize 55 mg
Day 3: Metabolize 49 mg
Day 4: Inject 250 mgs Test Enthantate Metabolize 70 mg
Day 5: Metabolize 62 mg
Day 6: Metabolize 55 mg
Day 7: Metabolize 49 mg

VS

Day 1: Inject 250 mg of Testosterone Enthantate Metabolize 26 mg
Day 2: Metabolize 23 mg
Day 3: Metabolize 21 mg
Day 4: Inject 250 mg of Test Enthantate Metabolize 44 mg
Day 5: Metabolize 39 mg
Day 6: Metabolize 35mg
Day 7: Metabolize 31 mg

That makes sense, in theory, the more you put in the more metabolites; unless, there is a saturation point at which point it doesn't matter how much more you add. Which I have no idea if this is even remotely true and nothing I've ever read suggest as such.

So then front loading will let me back down doses (or a dose - if I remember correctly your post showed what looked like 3 weeks of consecutive decreases) while introducing Tren at week ten? However, your suggestion is to taper a couple additional weeks; thus, lowering the deca metabolites while the tren begins taking over?

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

That makes sense, in theory, the more you put in the more metabolites; unless, there is a saturation point at which point it doesn't matter how much more you add. Which I have no idea if this is even remotely true and nothing I've ever read suggest as such.

So then front loading will let me back down doses (or a dose - if I remember correctly your post showed what looked like 3 weeks of consecutive decreases) while introducing Tren at week ten? However, your suggestion is to taper a couple additional weeks; thus, lowering the deca metabolites while the tren begins taking over?

So if I built your cycle I would do [huge fan of F loading but you can change]

Anadrol 100mg/ 100mg/ 100mg/ 100mg
Test-E 1.75gr/ 800mg / 800mg/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------week 20
Equipoise 1.5gr / 800mg/ 800mg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------week18 400mg/200mg/00mg
Deca 1.3 gr / 500mg/ 500mg/ -------week 10 300mg/200mg/100mg
Tren-E ----------------------------------------week 10 400mg/400mg/ 400mg-------------------------------------------------week 20

So week 10-13 your actually stabilizing Deca esters at about 400mg as the built up esters are desolving your taking full advantage of Deca [best at long cycles] But as you can see above on the esters you will still be building up Tren to the 400mg state and then deca will drop off once your Tren is at optimized serum levels.

For EQ anything over 10 weeks and you create an Undec ester swell like a wave it will continue so you taper it as well so the swell levels out until it drops off about a week before everything else. I think EQ should always be F loaded but the calculation may be off on the benifets so I lowered the F load to 60% of what equation says. I feel EQ kicks in quicker in the weeks but not in the days like Test or Deca does.

 

[fueledpassion]

fueledpassion

Is that^ what you have used (I cant remember datbtrue's formula)? I vaguely recall you suggesting pinning total weekly amount for 3 pins (Mon tues wed) to get levels up, but cant remember what drug that was and if it was applicable across the board.

That's correct. Problem is, when we start looking at longer ester steroids, the known half life for those drugs seems uncertain. But lets use Test-Cyp and lets go with an 8 day half-life, which I believe is probably close for most people and lets say you want to run it @600mg/wk for just 5 weeks for time constraint reasons (maybe you need to travel out of country for two weeks after that, as an example).

Based on that equation, we'll do this:

First dose - will be around 1000mg, assuming you are hitting the twice per week protocol (300mg X 2 shots).

Math ~ (600mg / 7 days) X 8 + 300mg = 985mg. I rounded up for simple math. You still hit the second 300mg dose later in week. So cycle looks like this weekly:

1300/600/600/600/600/Travel/Travel/PCT

That's how you squeeze a 10 week cycle down into a 5 week cycle...

Math for 700mg Test-Prop assuming about 1 day half life for it (controversial figures on many of these half lives)

Dose = 700/7 X 1+ 100, which is 200mg day one. Day two and forward, go back to 1cc per day.

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Ok, and that makes sense. If you look closely, you'll see a trend in these numbers... That first dose is roughly twice the value ofthe desired weekly dose. You could use that as a rule of thumb if you just wanted something simple.

 

[mirmod2002]

That's correct. Problem is, when we start looking at longer ester steroids, the known half life for those drugs seems uncertain. But lets use Test-Cyp and lets go with an 8 day half-life, which I believe is probably close for most people and lets say you want to run it @600mg/wk for just 5 weeks for time constraint reasons (maybe you need to travel out of country for two weeks after that, as an example).

Based on that equation, we'll do this:

First dose - will be around 1000mg, assuming you are hitting the twice per week protocol (300mg X 2 shots).

Math ~ 600mg / 7 days + 300mg = 985mg. I rounded up for simple math. You still hit the second 300mg dose later in week. So cyxle looks like this weekly:

1300/600/600/600/600/Travel/Travel/PCT

That's how you squeeze a 10 week cycle down into a 5 week cycle...

Math for 700mg Test-Prop assuming about 1 day half life for it (controversial figures on many of these half lives)

Dose = 700/7 + 100, which is 200mg day one. Day two and forward, go back to 1cc per day.

But will I go mad? Hahaha

 

[fueledpassion]

But will I go mad? Hahaha

I messed it up. Hang on, lol. Go back and see edits.

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

That's correct. Problem is, when we start looking at longer ester steroids, the known half life for those drugs seems uncertain. But lets use Test-Cyp and lets go with an 8 day half-life, which I believe is probably close for most people and lets say you want to run it @600mg/wk for just 5 weeks for time constraint reasons (maybe you need to travel out of country for two weeks after that, as an example).

Based on that equation, we'll do this:

First dose - will be around 1000mg, assuming you are hitting the twice per week protocol (300mg X 2 shots).

Math ~ 600mg / 7 days + 300mg = 985mg. I rounded up for simple math. You still hit the second 300mg dose later in week. So cycle looks like this weekly:

1300/600/600/600/600/Travel/Travel/PCT

That's how you squeeze a 10 week cycle down into a 5 week cycle...

Math for 700mg Test-Prop assuming about 1 day half life for it (controversial figures on many of these half lives)

Dose = 700/1+ 100, which is 800mg day one. Day two and forward, go back to 1cc per day. So using that math, this can't be right lol. Granted, who even tries to front load Test-P or other fast-acting steroids. I wouldn't apply this equation to anything with less than 4 day half life, personally.

This is correct from a mathematical perspective but if you really want to fry your brain over ester calculation look up how different esters of same compound impact the body differently that too much for me today cuz it gets really deep..I'll give you a teezer though Test-P has more Test in it mg/ml because the larger ester takes more room but Test-C will give you better gains mg/ml

 

[fueledpassion]

This is correct from a mathematical perspective but if you really want to fry your brain over ester calculation look up how different esters of same compound impact the body differently that too much for me today cuz it gets really deep..I'll give you a teezer though Test-P has more Test in it mg/ml because the larger ester takes more room but Test-C will give you better gains mg/ml

Yeah I know buddy. Test-C builds nitrogen faster and retains it longer, hence, the better gains.

 

[mirmod2002]

This is correct from a mathematical perspective but if you really want to fry your brain over ester calculation look up how different esters of same compound impact the body differently that too much for me today cuz it gets really deep..I'll give you a teezer though Test-P has more Test in it mg/ml because the larger ester takes more room but Test-C will give you better gains mg/ml

This has been the most informative thread in this forum I think I've ever read. So informative in fact that I do not feel qualified to mess with these compounds at these levels, haha. I don't have the experience necessary to play such a delicate balancing game.

My cycle may not be optimally efficient but there's gains to be had and I know how you prepare. But EQ is new which is enough of a variable. Even though it's repped to be a "lighter" steriod, it's still a steriod. Plus I'm running test a bit higher than I have in the past. Again, to someone more experienced may be this isn't a concern. But I want to careful regardless.

Math and Steriods . . . nope; doesn't feel right! Hahahaha

Honestly I'll keep all of this in mind for a future cycle. Maybe I'll play around with front-loading and some of these other things because it all sounds very interesting but I feel I need a bit more knowledge of my body's response and how it reacts when combinations of these compounds are involved before I go that direction

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

Yeah I know buddy. Test-C builds nitrogen faster and retains it longer, hence, the better gains.

Dude I wasn't disagreeing just informing the thread. I know you know your sh!t

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

This has been the most informative thread in this forum I think I've ever read. So informative in fact that I do not feel qualified to mess with these compounds at these levels, haha. I don't have the experience necessary to play such a delicate balancing game.

My cycle may not be optimally efficient but there's gains to be had and I know how you prepare. But EQ is new which is enough of a variable. Even though it's repped to be a "lighter" steriod, it's still a steriod. Plus I'm running test a bit higher than I have in the past. Again, to someone more experienced may be this isn't a concern. But I want to careful regardless.

Math and Steriods . . . nope; doesn't feel right! Hahahaha

Honestly I'll keep all of this in mind for a future cycle. Maybe I'll play around with front-loading and some of these other things because it all sounds very interesting but I feel I need a bit more knowledge of my body's response and how it reacts when combinations of these compounds are involved before I go that direction

I completely respect the awareness of health and risk, So many idiots just pin anything that someone said works.

Well Bro I wouldn't be afraid just because I/we over complicated things. If you take out the frontloading and run the same cycle how I layed out you'll be amazed and nearly 0 health concerns. You will also have the advantage of having the esters build up so you can monitor how you react befor plunging 6 needles in your thigh, glute, delt LOL

 

[fueledpassion]

Dude I wasn't disagreeing just informing the thread. I know you know your sh!t

I know. I just thought you might've assumed I didn't know. Now we have reiterated it, lol.

 

[fueledpassion]

This has been the most informative thread in this forum I think I've ever read. So informative in fact that I do not feel qualified to mess with these compounds at these levels, haha. I don't have the experience necessary to play such a delicate balancing game.

My cycle may not be optimally efficient but there's gains to be had and I know how you prepare. But EQ is new which is enough of a variable. Even though it's repped to be a "lighter" steriod, it's still a steriod. Plus I'm running test a bit higher than I have in the past. Again, to someone more experienced may be this isn't a concern. But I want to careful regardless.

Math and Steriods . . . nope; doesn't feel right! Hahahaha

Honestly I'll keep all of this in mind for a future cycle. Maybe I'll play around with front-loading and some of these other things because it all sounds very interesting but I feel I need a bit more knowledge of my body's response and how it reacts when combinations of these compounds are involved before I go that direction

Make sure you take:

CoQ10
Curcumin
Garlic
Nattokinase

All that for heart health while on EQ. Stuff strains the heart due to excessive blood thickening. You'll have elevated hema levels across the board but those ^^^ knock out all that nonsense related to higher RBC count.

And lets be clear about something. It's never a good idea to front load a drug you've never used before. It's best to have had multiple cycles with a drug before front-loading it or at least multiple cycles of similar drugs and lots of know-how experience with various sides and such. Even if you don't have direct experience with THAT drug in particular, you at least have know-how that directly transfers over to this application.

 

[mike33511]

Make sure you take:

CoQ10
Curcumin
Garlic
Nattokinase

All that for heart health while on EQ. Stuff strains the heart due to excessive blood thickening. You'll have elevated hema levels across the board but those ^^^ knock out all that nonsense related to higher RBC count.

And lets be clear about something. It's never a good idea to front load a drug you've never used before. It's best to have had multiple cycles with a drug before front-loading it or at least multiple cycles of similar drugs and lots of know-how experience with various sides and such. Even if you don't have direct experience with THAT drug in particular, you at least have know-how that directly transfers over to this application.

Can you recommend a good brand for nattokinase? What dosage do you use?

 

[fueledpassion]

NOW foods, anywhere from recommended dose on bottle to double that

 

[mirmod2002]

Pins came today. Always crazy to open a box of 100 needles, haha. Tracking products as the travel. Hopefully I get them in the next week to week and a half. Hopefully.

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

NOW foods, anywhere from recommended dose on bottle to double that

I would add now foods Red Yeast Rice it comes with tons of CoQ-10 and milk thistle which will help with the Anadrol

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

Make sure you take:

CoQ10
Curcumin
Garlic
Nattokinase

All that for heart health while on EQ. Stuff strains the heart due to excessive blood thickening. You'll have elevated hema levels across the board but those ^^^ knock out all that nonsense related to higher RBC count.

And lets be clear about something. It's never a good idea to front load a drug you've never used before. It's best to have had multiple cycles with a drug before front-loading it or at least multiple cycles of similar drugs and lots of know-how experience with various sides and such. Even if you don't have direct experience with THAT drug in particular, you at least have know-how that directly transfers over to this application.

This ^^^ is very true!!! My bad for overlooking experience with EQ. I just always F-load it because of Undec...Most see EQ changes aroung week 6-8 when dosed regular. When I frontload EQ I see them around week 4, If anyone has F-loaded EQ at high doses did they see alot of benefit? IE for this threads cycle the F-load came out to 2.4 gr but I really dont think a full dose F-load has same returns as other medium long compounds. I usually do a 60% load for EQ anyone have thoughts?

 

[mirmod2002]

Well now I have an issue. If I'm going to run my cycle for 20 weeks as planned the gear needs to be here tomorrow. That's not going to happen. I don't want to shorten either phase of the cycle so I'm thinking of dropping one half and lengthening the other.

Any thoughts based on the gear I'll have? I'm thinking of dropping the anadrol/deca portion and running EQ/Tren/Test for 16 to 18 weeks. I can still kick start with Anadrol. Or I was thinking of a Halodrol kick start. I love Hdrol. One of my favorites. Kinda want to run Anadrol and Deca together.

Thoughts???

 

[Chados]

Well now I have an issue. If I'm going to run my cycle for 20 weeks as planned the gear needs to be here tomorrow. That's not going to happen. I don't want to shorten either phase of the cycle so I'm thinking of dropping one half and lengthening the other.

Any thoughts based on the gear I'll have? I'm thinking of dropping the anadrol/deca portion and running EQ/Tren/Test for 16 to 18 weeks. I can still kick start with Anadrol. Or I was thinking of a Halodrol kick start. I love Hdrol. One of my favorites. Kinda want to run Anadrol and Deca together.

Thoughts???

Anadrol is probably the best bulking steroid. Stacking with tren is insanely powerful. Eq is by far the best steroid for stamina making tren easier in those regards. I don't know what to recommend, I think your body shape will determine what you should run.

 

[mirmod2002]

Or Superdrol. I like that as well. About the only PH's I like. Them Epi and Trest.

 

[mirmod2002]

Anadrol is probably the best bulking steroid. Stacking with tren is insanely powerful. Eq is by far the best steroid for stamina making tren easier in those regards. I don't know what to recommend, I think your body shape will determine what you should run.

I agree. The decision is goal based. We are going on a cruise in Jan. and I want to be cut. At 5'9 205 at approx 15% - 18% bf I have a bit of size. 4 weeks of Anadrol won't effect the ultimate goal too much. But my ultimate goal of being beach body shredded has me thinking of saving deca until I come back. I can then plan a hardcore winter bulk.

 

[fueledpassion]

Do the EQ/Test/Tren. A-Bombs optional but you won't need it since you aren't in a hurry and won't have to crash diet.

Eat a high protein diet (1.75g/lb of mass) and gradually taper carbs down and cardio up). Start around +200 maintenance M-F and weekends do refeeds to hit around +500-700kcals above maintenance daily.

Do everything you can to reduce whole body and gut inflammation as well as locking in a very tightly regulated circadian rhythm.

I'm not sharing the details on HOW to do these things because thats where the real value is but these are the things that you need to accomplish for success. This is enough given your gear and weight to bring you in at around 7-8% BF and weighing about the same as you do now (perhaps 5-7lbs lighter at most). To get to 6% BF though, expect to do at least an hour of cardio daily and probably 500-750kcal deficit BEFORE considering the cardio. Depends on how healthy your metabolism is.

 

[mirmod2002]

Do the EQ/Test/Tren. A-Bombs optional but you won't need it since you aren't in a hurry and won't have to crash diet.

Eat a high protein diet (1.75g/lb of mass) and gradually taper carbs down and cardio up). Start around +200 maintenance M-F and weekends do refeeds to hit around +500-700kcals above maintenance daily.

Do everything you can to reduce whole body and gut inflammation as well as locking in a very tightly regulated circadian rhythm.

I'm not sharing the details on HOW to do these things because thats where the real value is but these are the things that you need to accomplish for success. This is enough given your gear and weight to bring you in at around 7-8% BF and weighing about the same as you do now (perhaps 5-7lbs lighter at most). To get to 6% BF though, expect to do at least an hour of cardio daily and probably 500-750kcal deficit BEFORE considering the cardio. Depends on how healthy your metabolism is.

I don't know how to give rep points. If I did I'd slang it your way.

 

[mirmod2002]

So all the gear is here except the test. Which really sucks because that's a critical component. I'm pumped to get started but hopefully it will be here in the next week.

 

[fueledpassion]

So all the gear is here except the test. Which really sucks because that's a critical component. I'm pumped to get started but hopefully it will be here in the next week.

Not that I'm suggesting you get started now but EQ/Tren conbo works very well at keeping sides down. I like it because I still have sexual function but I'm not out of control with it and the lower conversion rate of EQ keeps sides down and a harder look.

I've done EQ/Tren for 8-10 weeks straight with no test. It works just fine.

 

[mirmod2002]

Not that I'm suggesting you get started now but EQ/Tren conbo works very well at keeping sides down. I like it because I still have sexual function but I'm not out of control with it and the lower conversion rate of EQ keeps sides down and a harder look.

I've done EQ/Tren for 8-10 weeks straight with no test. It works just fine.

Interesting.

 

[Nac]

I've done EQ/Tren for 8-10 weeks straight with no test. It works just fine.

Kcal deficit I assume? What was your eq:tren? I vaguely remember you saying you find you respond very well to low/mid range doses of EQ.

 

[mirmod2002]

Kcal deficit I assume? What was your eq:tren? I vaguely remember you saying you find you respond very well to low/mid range doses of EQ.

Actually was going to post the same question.

 

[fueledpassion]

Kcal deficit I assume? What was your eq:tren? I vaguely remember you saying you find you respond very well to low/mid range doses of EQ.

Yes, around 500 or less calorie deficit per day. Pure EQ isn't weak at all and requires BP med, IME. It thickens your blood very effectively which can be dangerous but also benefitial from a performance standpoint.

About 1:1. So maybe 300/300 or 2:3 ratio EQ:Tren - 200/300. Just depends on how disciplined and patient you are.

More discipline + more patience = less androgens. If I wanted to run lots of androgens, I'd flip the dose to 2:1 EQ:Tren. So for a gram of gear, I'd do 700/350 EQ/Tren, although I don't recommend that at all.

 

[Nac]

Yes, around 500 or less calorie deficit per day. Pure EQ isn't weak at all and requires BP med, IME. It thickens your blood very effectively which can be dangerous but also benefitial from a performance standpoint.

About 1:1. So maybe 300/300 or 2:3 ratio EQ:Tren - 200/300. Just depends on how disciplined and patient you are.

More discipline + more patience = less androgens. If I wanted to run lots of androgens, I'd flip the dose to 2:1 EQ:Tren. So for a gram of gear, I'd do 700/350 EQ/Tren, although I don't recommend that at all.

If you ran mast prop with eq+tren Id assume your AI needs would be negligible (eq at 1:1:1 approx)?

 

[fueledpassion]

If you ran mast prop with eq+tren Id assume your AI needs would be negligible (eq at 1:1:1 approx)?

Right. Would not need an AI most likely.

 

[mirmod2002]

Super frustrated. Both test orders (500mg and 250mgs) are both showing processed through Chicago sort facility on Aug 17th and 18th respectively yet there is no motion since then. Hope they didn't get grabbed by customs.

 

[mike33511]

Super frustrated. Both test orders (500mg and 250mgs) are both showing processed through Chicago sort facility on Aug 17th and 18th respectively yet there is no motion since then. Hope they didn't get grabbed by customs.

This is why domestic is the way to go.

 

[mirmod2002]

This is why domestic is the way to go.

Not helpful right now, hahaha (jk).

 

[Nac]

You got a 250mg and 500mg order? I dont understand :/

 

[mirmod2002]

You got a 250mg and 500mg order? I dont understand :/

Want to run 750. My source didn't have 750 as an option so I adjusted.

 

[mirmod2002]

I could have ordered more 500 and halved but it was less expensive this way.

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

I could have ordered more 500 and halved but it was less expensive this way.

Not busting your balls but...you ordered a vile of Test 250mg/ml and a vile of Test 500mg/ml? I'm really confused on what you ordered. On diff note You started a thread with lots of great info...I just read up from my last post very good info

 

[mirmod2002]

Not busting your balls but...you ordered a vile of Test 250mg/ml and a vile of Test 500mg/ml? I'm really confused on what you ordered. On diff note You started a thread with lots of great info...I just read up from my last post very good info

Its cool. Long and short of it is I'd like the test to get here soon regardless of how I ordered it.

I'll jump to your thread and check it out.

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

Its cool. Long and short of it is I'd like the test to get here soon regardless of how I ordered it.

I'll jump to your thread and check it out.

Well my point was if you ordered Test 500mg/ml you are in for a nasty treat. I pinned T400 which is pretty mainstream...that felt like pushing molasses made of broken glass into my muscles. I can only imagine what 500 feels like. And If I remember correctly your doing Cyp, that means more solvent in the mixture. More solvent can lead to Test flue so keep that in mind and have a BU plan if you get flue.

I'm kinda ancy for you to get your Test also. This should be a great cycle. Can you re cap what compounds and MGs you decided on

 

[mirmod2002]

Well my point was if you ordered Test 500mg/ml you are in for a nasty treat. I pinned T400 which is pretty mainstream...that felt like pushing molasses made of broken glass into my muscles. I can only imagine what 500 feels like. And If I remember correctly your doing Cyp, that means more solvent in the mixture. More solvent can lead to Test flue so keep that in mind and have a BU plan if you get flue.

I'm kinda ancy for you to get your Test also. This should be a great cycle. Can you re cap what compounds and MGs you decided on

Test E. Last cycle I pinned 500 once a week and I never had an issue. I warm it up just a little bit before pinning.

 

[mirmod2002]

Well my point was if you ordered Test 500mg/ml you are in for a nasty treat. I pinned T400 which is pretty mainstream...that felt like pushing molasses made of broken glass into my muscles. I can only imagine what 500 feels like. And If I remember correctly your doing Cyp, that means more solvent in the mixture. More solvent can lead to Test flue so keep that in mind and have a BU plan if you get flue.

I'm kinda ancy for you to get your Test also. This should be a great cycle. Can you re cap what compounds and MGs you decided on

Well I had to adjust because the whole cycle didn't come in time to do all 20 weeks. Looking at Tren E at 400mg a week. Test E at 750mg week and EQ at 800mg a week for 18 weeks.

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

Test E. Last cycle I pinned 500 once a week and I never had an issue. I warm it up just a little bit before pinning.

I guess I'm either a pusssy or 500 E is easier than T400 but I shoot my gear like I shoot vodka...ICE COLD and straight up LOL

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

Well I had to adjust because the whole cycle didn't come in time to do all 20 weeks. Looking at Tren E at 400mg a week. Test E at 750mg week and EQ at 800mg a week for 18 weeks.

Dam where was I when you decided to drop Deca? I think you would have been amazed at the combo...Tren EQ is sick as ruck too though should make you look like granite

 

[mirmod2002]

I guess I'm either a pusssy or 500 E is easier than T400 but I shoot my gear like I shoot vodka...ICE COLD and straight up LOL

I'm sure your not *****, haha. But grab a warm cup of water or I also use a rice sock warmed up. But you have to be careful there; it can get to hot really quick. But warming it a little takes some of that goo away.

I will say that I would get a small knot on my quad occassionally that felt like a strained muscle.

 

[mirmod2002]

Dam where was I when you decided to drop Deca? I think you would have been amazed at the combo...Tren EQ is sick as ruck too though should make you look like granite

I thought about running it low dose with Tren but I wanted to run a full cycle with an Anadrol kickstart. Also waiting I can run a 16 week deca cycle instead of 10. Tren and EQ meet my ultimate goals right now so I decided to just push those out a bit longer since I couldn't hit 20 weeks before I leave the country.

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

I thought about running it low dose with Tren but I wanted to run a full cycle with an Anadrol kickstart. Also waiting I can run a 16 week deca cycle instead of 10. Tren and EQ meet my ultimate goals right now so I decided to just push those out a bit longer since I couldn't hit 20 weeks before I leave the country.

Yah given that shorter timeline you made the right choice, but keep it in mind for future cycles. I will be doing a Deca/Trensition on my next cycle but won't be for a while. I have to salvage my interrupted recomp cycle, then hard time, then game time

 

[mirmod2002]

Since so much has changed, I'm going to clip this thread here and begin a new one. Hope to see y'all there.