Swole vs androhard

Cbrsi

Member
Ok my question is this ..

Swole stack vs the androhard alphat2 turinabol lv stack

which is better and why

I am also taking noxplode amp extreme 60 protien and amp 189 criatine
Also are the stuff I am taking compatible with Each one ..

Also is any mv or cyclesupporr needed for any of these ?

My bf percentage is at 11.2
weight 194
height 5"9
on very good high protien diet
at gym everyday ..
 
androhard/tbol...drop the burner as youll have bp issues, much stronger than swole stack, not the same kinda stuff...n do your homework, youll need cycle support n liver juice, n you should b using a multi regardless, waaay b4 you put coin down on a ph stack...btw....magic question..how old r u????
 
21 years old..

what abour hemadrol .. i heard u dont need pct for that unless u go through 2 bottles
 
i mean if i do 1 cycle of hemadrol and propadrol

week1 1 cap hema 1 cap prop
week2 1 cap hema 2 cap prop
week3 1 cap hema 2 cap prop
week4 1 cap hema 2 cap prop

with getupandgo stack

and also take amp wheybolic ex 60 protein, NOXplode, amp crietine

and post cycle it with swole stack..

or do u think i can take swole with the cycle . ?
 
dude u have a lot of reading to do.

you can't compare prohormones (androhard, turinabol) to herbs (swole stack--testofen, resveratrol, etc) ...

it's kind of foolish to come on here and say "which is better and why -- swole or ah + Turinabol" when it's so easy to do some homework and then ask a question that you can't easily get on ur own.
 
you should stop spending your money at GNC too.that protein is ridiculous expensive and that creatine absorbs horribly.ive had people tell me they have s**t out full pills.
 
Check out this thread, lots of good info on androhard.

Good post mate (repped).

I assume you mean the 'Swole Stack' by Anabolic Innovations?

Both stacks are very different, Swole contains a great testosterone booster (similar to our own Invalid Link Removed as the active compound is Testofen), a very effective nutrient partitioner and an aromatase inhibitor (similar to our to further boost testosterone. It would make a nice,very mild hormonal stack for cutting or extremely dry gains.

The Alpha-T2 and stack is FAR stronger but would be incredible for recomposition.

I would say that if you've not run a PH before, then perhaps Androhard alone with Alpha-T2 would be a better choice than the full stack.

Send me a PM mate if you need further advice.
 
ok amp protien is good iv heard good stuff on it the amp 189 creirine yes i v heard that too u just have to chew it ,, and works nice.. and ima do hemadrol 1 cap and propadrol 1 cap with swole and getup and amp 189 and amp protien.. lets see how that goes with the flow ..
 
Amp Protein $50 for 3lbs, (18 servings x 40g)
NutraPro $29.99 for 5lbs, (80 scoops x 22g - Or 40 Duals Scoops for 44g)

Don't buy the hype.

Creatine Amplified 189 blah blah is 74.99 for 125 servings
Creapure (Pure as water creatine) is 16.95 for 200 servings.

Don't buy the hype.
 
Amp Protein $50 for 3lbs, (18 servings x 40g)
NutraPro $29.99 for 5lbs, (80 scoops x 22g - Or 40 Duals Scoops for 44g)

Don't buy the hype.

Creatine Amplified 189 blah blah is 74.99 for 125 servings
Creapure (Pure as water creatine) is 16.95 for 200 servings.

Don't buy the hype.

^what he said.trust me w.e they tell you in the store is just BS to get you to buy it.we get credit for everything we sell from the amp line.
 
I'm with heretostudy

x2

there's no reason to get crazy with protein and creatine. stick to the basics with whey and mono, it's proven and you can't go wrong. use that money u saved to buy more whey protein. and whatever you do, for god's sake stay the hell outta GNC! no need to make them any richer. lol
 
ima do hemadrol 1 cap and propadrol 1 cap with swole and getup and amp 189 and amp protien.. lets see how that goes with the flow ..


lol anyone have objections .. already ordered the hemadrol and propadrol and swole and getupandgo... they all do different things so ima try at once.. anything i should add tell me?
 
and ppl say i dont need pct for this or support.. i just did a lil serach on google.. and some ppl say they are doing hema and prop with a pct?
 
Qwerty33, what did you notice in terms of libido, strength gains, weight changes, mood? I've been thinking about trying out the androhard and turinabol.
 
To the OP...

you shouldnt be working out everday.. 4 days a week tops in my opnion..

your muscle's grow while u rest not while u are ripping them down in the gym. muscles rebuild while you are resting if u try to break them down again they wont have repaired themselves properly and you wont grow!!!!
 
Hey guys I heard that the whole GNC line along with Gakic and Leukic with Vitakic will get me looking better than Jay Cutler!

But seriously OP please do some reading.... Do you even know what PCT stands for by the way?
 
I haven't seen anyone take any of those in a stack before, so you would be a pioneer. I do know plenty of people who have the swole stack or the pp stacks, I personally have done a 1-T and dermacrine stack and loved it. Also I believe the pct question wasn't do you know what it means but rather do you have one planned out.
 
Hey Cbrsi,

Several things are concerning me throughout this thread. I do not want to sound like a smart @ss, but it seems like you have a general lack of understanding in what you want to take. That being the case, I do not recommend you start either stack before you become well educated on the mechanisms and expectations of each stack.

I am 23, I am about your age. And personally I would not dabble with the prohormones out of personal preference. I WILL however start the Swole stack very soon. My recommendation to someone within my age group is to take supplements similar to what i take. Also take note PP has many good natural products you want to look into.

Main point here: to blindly take a supplement based on what people says works or doesnt work without proper research may lead to mistakes. PP's prohormone line-up is by far amongst the strongest i have seen people take. People thoroughly enjoy them, I have noticed a common trend. The more educated the individual, the more effective the cycle. DO NOT blindly take a supplement that you cannot explain.

Also the amplified creatine from GNC....finish it off and never buy it again. The Whey is overpriced relative to the price of whey at nutraplanet. If you really are hell bent on spending the money you might as well get more supplements for the same price...or donate it to a charitable cause(like myself for instance hahaha).


SO to answer your most recent question....I would personally look into trying the Swole Stack alone before dabbling with prohormones. Educate yourself on prohormones and cycles, and then start slowly. And of course be sure to have your diet and routine on point before starting either Swole Stack or prohormones....or any stack for that matter.


Good luck in all your endeavors. Stay Safe and always when lifting Go Hard Or Go Home.
 
lmao ok .. here is wat it is..

on june first 2010 i will begin hemadrol and get up and go stack .. after first week i am adding propadrol.. the swole i am doing after this cycle ends..

my question is this and the only question i have.. if u cant answer it then show me a place that can help me.. do i need a cycle support or post cycle therapy .. from what i read i can use swole as a pct after my hemadrol and propadrol cycle..

so .... thats my q?
 
Lots of people have been raving about Invalid Link Removed for on cycle liver protection. Its cheap and works, enough said.
 
WOW my friwend youdo nee to do ALOT more reading.
also like another told you DROP THEOVER PRICED PROTEIN.
I wount used GNC unless im DYING and forgot my protein drink or bar and then MAYBE just MAYBE ill buy ONE bar.

there are ALOT of better cheaper options out there.
just get bulk creatin like PP's creapure.

as for stack i rec this:
androhard + turinabol lv stack @ about 6weeks long
support on cycle: sustain alphaLV + liver juice.
PCT supps: Toco-8, T-911, sustain alphalv, TESTOSTERONE CONVERSION FACTOR-1 from PP

supps used on cycle:

BETA-ALANINE(1g 3-4X a day), Creatine/creapure (2-3g 2X a day), WHEY PROTEIN powder.
 
first day

in the am i took 50mg of hemadrol ,30mg of propadrol with me breakfest, and 2 pills of oxyelite 2 pills of alpha t2 .. i feel fine .. and i m am sweating more .. i think its from the fat burners..

and in the pm i will take 30 mg of propadrol with a meal and 1 of each oxyelite and alpha t2 ..

i will be doing this for 30 day cycle..

after that i will be doing swole stack for 30 days..

i will put up updates of how i feel and how my workouts get affected ..
 
first day

in the am i took 50mg of hemadrol ,30mg of propadrol with me breakfest, and 2 pills of oxyelite 2 pills of alpha t2 .. i feel fine .. and i m am sweating more .. i think its from the fat burners..

and in the pm i will take 30 mg of propadrol with a meal and 1 of each oxyelite and alpha t2 ..

i will be doing this for 30 day cycle..

after that i will be doing swole stack for 30 days..

i will put up updates of how i feel and how my workouts get affected ..

Good luck bro.:)
 
Pembroke, is there any chance you can bring back a limited run of the healthy cookie dough, I literally bought 50lbs. about two years ago and I NEED more.
 
Pembroke, is there any chance you can bring back a limited run of the healthy cookie dough, I literally bought 50lbs. about two years ago and I NEED more.

We have had it back for a little while now. Here you go.:)



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^what he said.trust me w.e they tell you in the store is just BS to get you to buy it.we get credit for everything we sell from the amp line.

Seriously man, just stay the Hell out of GNC. On line sources are WAY cheaper, like Invalid Link Removed or where ever. Forget these "designer" proteins and creatines. Just get yourself some good whey protein -- like Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard, and go with plain old creatine monohydrate. THIS is the type of creatine that's been tested the most and proven over and over again. Most of these other types of creatine are just attempts by supplement companies to get you to spend more money for their "special" creatine, which doesn't work any better than the proven kind. Crea-pure is a great brand, but really any monohydrate will do.

Get some BCAAs as well -- in powdered form.

Stick to these basics and buy them on line and you'll save yourself a ton.

If you insist on running prohormones/designer steriods at your age (which you shouldn't) then you should spend at least the next 3 months researching. Save up until you can get the proper support supplements and a proper PCT. This is not something you can do half assed.

I would recommend just running AndroHard since this is your first cycle, if you still run one. It'll help you lean out and harden up, and sides should be low. This is something you really need to assess your tolerance on. Save the Turinabol for another time.
 
To the guy right above this post. AM is a sponsored forum of the Nutraplanet store. I'd edit your post.

To the OP -

Since you've started, disregarded advice given to you by knowledgeable members, and then went ahead with the cycle without getting the answer you came here to ask... I am no longer going to tell you the answer to what you asked. I was going to, but after reading your posts, I realized it doesn't matter what we say, you're going to do what you want. Best of luck, but I will offer you this one short piece of advice that you can apply to many facets of life:

Er on the side of caution.
 
first day

in the am i took 50mg of hemadrol ,30mg of propadrol with me breakfest, and 2 pills of oxyelite 2 pills of alpha t2 .. i feel fine .. and i m am sweating more .. i think its from the fat burners..

and in the pm i will take 30 mg of propadrol with a meal and 1 of each oxyelite and alpha t2 ..

i will be doing this for 30 day cycle..

after that i will be doing swole stack for 30 days..

i will put up updates of how i feel and how my workouts get affected ..

OK, I just looked and Hemadrol is the same compound (4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol) as Hdrol aka PP's Oral Turinabol.

Do you know what that is? You should have posted this thread in the Anabolics section down near the bottom of the page and you would have gotten more responses.

Am I correct in that you are running Hdrol with NO support supplements, including NO liver protection and NO PCT planned? It's a 17a-methylated compound: do you have any idea what that is?

I'm not trying to be a **** bro, but you are really putting yourself at risk. Hdrol ABSOLUTELY requires a PCT, AND it requires on-cycle support supplements.

Here man, click on this link and read about this compound a bit: Invalid Link Removed

The good thing is that you're keeping your cycle to 30 days, which will minimize the damage, but it's also not going to give you much in the way of gains, since the typical Hdrol cycle is 5-6 weeks and it doesn't really kick in until week 4 or 5.

At the end of your 30 days, you NEED to run a PCT. I'm assuming you have no idea what a SERM is, so hopefully with the money you've saved by not buying overpriced crap from GNC, you'll have enough left over to buy the Testosterone Recovery Stack from Primordial Performance. It's the best OTC (that's "over the counter") PCT you can buy, and it should be enough.

Also you really need to run some support supplements during this cycle. #1 should be milk thistle. The best formulation IMO is again from PP and it's called Liver Juice.

There are other things you should take as well for blood pressure, like hawthorne berry -- especially since you're stacking it with a fat burner like OEP. Honestly you shouldn't even have caffeine, much less OEP on cycle.

Also, do NOT drink alcohol on cycle!

I'm only telling you this because it's obvious that you don't know what you're doing and might injure yourself. Not only that, and no offense, but it's people like you who do crazy **** like run Mdrol for 12 weeks and then wind up in the hospital with liver failure that causes the government to crack down and ban things for the rest of us.

I don't blame you necessarily (although you seem to have refused to do any research) but I do blame whoever the Hell makes Hemodrol for not including ANY of this information in their product labeling. Look at all the warnings on a God damned bottle of aspirin! And what warnings are on most of these anabolics -- NOTHING.

Good look man.
 
EST hormones have a bad rep to begin with.

Kid wants to learn the hard way... so let him.
 
EST hormones have a bad rep to begin with.

Kid wants to learn the hard way... so let him.

Yeah, he'll learn one way or the other. Of course, the more guys like that who mess themselves up, the greater the chances of yet another ban, which will mess things up for everyone else.
 
Another pupil in the school of Hard Knocks!! Why ask if you don't want to listen to the answers?? I would kill to be 21 and full of the natural test you have. I will also assume since your knowledge of supplements is so stellar that your diet is totally in check as well...These are all facets that should be spot on before you delve into Hormonals. All the best young man!!
 
ok well im almost done with cycle.. 30 days only .. i didnt run cycle support but ima buy that serm u said .. what are symptoms if i get any .. my bench wen from 185 last set 6 times to now 220 6 times last set ..
 
what about using the swole stack as a pct .. i know its not a serm but it boosts ur testosterone naturally and what not ..
 
I was going to help you until you wrote "and whatnot". You're entirely too lazy to research yourself... which means you shouldn't have cycled. Get yourself a serm.
 
what about using the swole stack as a pct .. i know its not a serm but it boosts ur testosterone naturally and what not ..

hahaha... breath... hahaha

you wait til you are done with your cycle everyone told you not to start to worry about a pct and you are still arguing. its people like you that are the reason these products keep getting banned for the rest of us who arent mentally challenged.
 
i am asking a question couse allot of places i looked said becuse its only a 4 week cycle u dont really need a pct but a testosterone booster helps
 
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