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Switching from tren ph to tren help

jflemmd

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Switching over my planned cycle to trenbolone rather than the ph. Wondering what changes I'll need to make to get most benefit.

Also interested in dosage help for the trenbolone.

This is what I have planned:
On cycle
Inhibit p
Arimacare pro
Taurine

Post
Super pct
Clomid
Ep1c
 
Haven't run personally but I was doing my research and others suggest something stronger than Inhibit p just on the ph. I would imagine taking tren would require something stronger as well.
 
Well inhibiting estrogen helps keep the prolactin sides I believe, so with the other stuff, I thought I was ok. But hopefully someone can answer this?
 
jflemmd said:
Well inhibiting estrogen helps keep the prolactin sides I believe, so with the other stuff, I thought I was ok. But hopefully someone can answer this?
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Trenbolone solo?

What "other stuff" are you referring to for controlling estrogen? Because I don't see it. I hope you're not referring to the Ar1macare Pro.

Not sure I recommend running Tren at this point man.
 
Why would you say that? The not running tren part.
And I can throw in whatever needs to be done. I don't know why people say, don't do that this time, just help me some with some typing. And I can run it the way people suggest. Tell me what you think is the way to do it.
 
jflemmd said:
Why would you say that? The not running tren part.
And I can throw in whatever needs to be done. I don't know why people say, don't do that this time, just help me some with some typing. And I can run it the way people suggest. Tell me what you think is the way to do it.
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What about my first question, Tren solo? Let's start there.

Also cycle experience and goals. I'll help you, whether my recommendation changes is yet to be seen :-)
 
I was planning to run tr3n and ep15tane, but now it was between trenbolone and dbol. I didn't want the wet gains so I'm going tren. What do you recommend, stacking with test? My goal is to mainly cut while gaining size. So a clean diet is essential. But I need help with the cycle planning since this changed on me last minute and I wasn't researching trenbolone until today, but haven't had much luck on the information I wanted to find
 
jflemmd said:
Why would you say that? The not running tren part.
And I can throw in whatever needs to be done. I don't know why people say, don't do that this time, just help me some with some typing. And I can run it the way people suggest. Tell me what you think is the way to do it.
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I would have said the same thing based on what you wrote.
 
Wait, datsthat you're also saying don't run tren or you're saying you'd question what he said? Sorry that confused me.
 
No it is not my first, it is my second. Just finished a dmz/sten cycle a month ago. Got some strength gains, but didn't gain much size or cut. So this time my focus is more of a cut\recomp. Beach season is coming and I need to get that beach body. But I don't want to run a strictly cutting cycle, I want to gain some mass as well.
 
jflemmd said:
Wait, datsthat you're also saying don't run tren or you're saying you'd question what he said? Sorry that confused me.
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Both

It all depends on your AAS experience. There is a reason why so many experienced AAS users say never to run tren until you get atleast 2-3 cycle under your belt. I know few guys that won't touch tren because the side effects isn't worth it to them.


like what Dma378 asked you....Is this your first cycle (AAS)?
 
First cycle, i ran prohormones and didn't get what I wanted, probably lower dosage then I should have used.

But I want to use tren and hoping someone can help direct me.

I already have pramipexole And exemestane laying Around as well. I forgot to mention that earlier.
 
jflemmd said:
First cycle, i ran prohormones and didn't get what I wanted, probably lower dosage then I should have used.

But I want to use tren and hoping someone can help direct me.

I already have pramipexole And exemestane laying Around as well. I forgot to mention that earlier.
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Good luck. I feel you are making a mistake. You can make so much gains on test alone. I recommend you trying test only on your first cycle. You have the rest of your life to try tren. But the decision is yours.

I have not tried tren so I can't help you in regards to dosing otherwise I would only repeat what I've read.
 
Ok man. Take this all as constructive advice.

Cycling is a skill. Steroids aren't magic. Diet and Training dictate results. Of course gear can be good or bad, but the compound itself does not dictate what happens. You do. It sounds like you're looking for a "magic pill" to cure your poor diet and or training. "I need Tren to get me shredded for beach season". Instead of, "I'm getting shredded for beach season with the help of Tren". Big difference.

If your prohormone cycle wasn't a success, why do you think your injectable Tren cycle will be?

I love hate Tren. Problem is, I CAN"T cut on it. Stuff makes me ravenously hungry. Fortunately is is highly anabolic so I put on more size with Tren than anything else. But shred, no I don't. But yep, all the sides to boot. But I had several successful PH and AAS cycles under my belt, knew how to do it, knew how to mitigate sides, etc. before I jumped in.

Tren is fine for a first AAS cycle, but I wouldn't recommend starting it right away. Run some Test with an oral kicker for 4-6 weeks, run the Test solo for a while to know you even know how to do that before you throw yourself to the wolves.

And yes, if you decide to jump in regardless, run it with Test. Unless you just want a limp noodle during "beach season". Which in my opinion is counter-productive.

So, what do you think? Ready for your every other day injections of Tren?
 
I say run that epi/tren cycle in a couple months. You've already said you just came off a cycle a month ago. First of all your body isn't ready yet. Practice dialing in your diet and getting some results naturally. When you can get some results without steroids, it will make the steroids look REALLY good when you use them. But if you're looking for them to do the work, you're going to be disappointed.

Run that epi/tren with proper diet and training and not only will you get results, you'll get some practice. Some experience.
 
Thank you, that helped. With prohormones being illegal in the US I'm skeptical on ordering them. So I will be doing some form of aas. I can find these safer ways for now. And I agree with what you said about the training and diet being important, I've just been stuck at a point where my growth and strength haven't changed no matter how hard I push. Only seeing small strength gains over long periods of time, and I know that with a small amount of help, I can jump that plateau. The ph I ran, I ate well, and trained hard 5-6 days a week and gained 5 lbs and lost 1% body fat. I just want to see some changes for all the work I've been putting in. So I may run test or something for now.
 
jflemmd said:
Thank you, that helped. With prohormones being illegal in the US I'm skeptical on ordering them. So I will be doing some form of aas. I can find these safer ways for now. And I agree with what you said about the training and diet being important, I've just been stuck at a point where my growth and strength haven't changed no matter how hard I push. Only seeing small strength gains over long periods of time, and I know that with a small amount of help, I can jump that plateau. The ph I ran, I ate well, and trained hard 5-6 days a week and gained 5 lbs and lost 1% body fat. I just want to see some changes for all the work I've been putting in. So I may run test or something for now.
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There you go. A basic Test cycle can go great. As I said, diet will determine what kind of changes your body makes. You said you have some exemestane and Clomid for pct. So you're on your way. Keep it simple. Practice makes perfect. And then progress if all goes well.
 
jflemmd said:
Thank you, that helped. With prohormones being illegal in the US I'm skeptical on ordering them. So I will be doing some form of aas. I can find these safer ways for now. And I agree with what you said about the training and diet being important, I've just been stuck at a point where my growth and strength haven't changed no matter how hard I push. Only seeing small strength gains over long periods of time, and I know that with a small amount of help, I can jump that plateau. The ph I ran, I ate well, and trained hard 5-6 days a week and gained 5 lbs and lost 1% body fat. I just want to see some changes for all the work I've been putting in. So I may run test or something for now.
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Your statement sounds silly to me. AAS is illegal and I will put money that there is more underdose/mislabeled gear than prohormones...however, I've been wrong so many times and lost so much money on stock market (fuuck you wa mutual) so maybe I shouldn't put my money on it lol.
 
datsthat said:
Your statement sounds silly to me. AAS is illegal and I will put money that there is more underdose/mislabeled gear than prohormones...however, I've been wrong so many times and lost so much money on stock market (fuuck you wa mutual) so maybe I shouldn't put my money on it lol.
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Good catch!! Logic fail
 
jflemmd said:
Switching over my planned cycle to trenbolone rather than the ph. Wondering what changes I'll need to make to get most benefit.

Also interested in dosage help for the trenbolone.

This is what I have planned:
On cycle
Inhibit p
Arimacare pro
Taurine

Post
Super pct
Clomid
Ep1c
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Okay there are many ways to answer this, so first question is why trenbolone?
 
I want the best results for my money. Given I know it's more about diet, training and rest. But I meant aside from that
 
Okay, that is understandable. But you seem to have the drag race mentality versus the marathon mentality which is fine if your life goal is to be a bodybuilder. If you do not plan on competing at a high level or being a fitness model where you make money of your physique then dont cut yourself short you dont need trenbolone.
 
jflemmd said:
I want the best results for my money. Given I know it's more about diet, training and rest. But I meant aside from that
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Great advice Dma378
I almost bought tren 2 times then I stop everything when i reread side effects.
it's a potent steroid, I say do more homework.
 
are you running test with your tren? What is your tren dose? I'd like to have pramipexole on hand.
 
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