washingtonirvin
New member
I laid out some ideas for a first bulking cycle a few weeks ago, and the replies I received were most informative. I have been learning about the matter since then, and I am ready to present my new thinking.
Basically, I want to look bigger and better. I want little to no sides. I want to gain 15 pounds this year, taking me from 170 to 185. Ideally, I would weigh around 193. I am 6' and quite lean, probably about 8% body fat. I will be doing short cycles of 4-6 weeks.
I have begun learning about a compound that is most interesting to me: oral turinabol. The East Germans were most fond of it. I am no fan of oppressive regimes that force-feed androgenic hormones to teenage girls, but I am a fan of the following aspects of turinabol:
1. If someone 140-200 pounds (and male) takes 40mg/day for 6 weeks while training and eating properly, he can put on a decent amount of lean mass.
2. At this dosage, many people do not notice any bothersome sides.
3. Here is the cool part: many of the East Germans upon whom this compound was exhaustively studied continued to make gains when they finished their cycles.
Aspect 3 is the one that really gets me. How many of you have gone on cycles where you continued to put on lean mass post-cycle? The reason this is possible with turinabol is that it binds to sex hormone-binding globulin. "Oral Turinabol also has the ability to bind to SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), and thereby prevent it from attaching itself to free testosterone in the body, and this may actually allow more testosterone to become unbound and available in the body." (Invalid Link Removed) So turinabol allows the body to make use of the test that it has in storage. Nice.
I am not quite ready to start a cycle. I want to get back into shape after slacking in December and improve my digestive health. Some of the compounds I am planning to take pre-cycle for the latter purpose are deprenyl, hydergine, nimesulide, and metformin. I will do a bit of digging to see of other members have experience with digestive disorders.
At any rate, I am thinking of the following for a lean mass cycle:
40mg turinabol ED (20mg in the AM, 20mg in the afternoon)
25mg of test base + 25mg of boldenone base via injection in the morning on training days (Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday).
If I can swing it, and if I am not experiencing major sides, I would like to add 2 units of top quality HGH ED from week 3 until the conclusion of PCT.
The on part of the cycle would last 4-6 weeks, possibly dropping the test and EQ after week 4 or 5. I would try to gain as much lean mass as possible over the course of 4-6 weeks. Having never done a bulking cycle before, I don't know how much this would be. After taking an equal amount of time off, I could repeat the cycle.
On the plus side, I don't think anyone would doubt that I will be able to put on some high quality mass with this cycle. Additionally, I really don't think I would experience major sides with this cycle. I think the shutdown would be minimal.
I genuinely don't know if there is a minus side, which is why I am posting this cycle for your scrutiny. I am fairly certain that I won't blow up the way I would on 400mg of test prop per week, but that's fine with me.
I am sure there are some aspects of this cycle that I don't know about, but should. Please help fill me in.
But I have anticipated several criticisms...
1. It's your first cycle. You want mass. Run test as your major or only compound.
My reply: I think that the cycle I outlined would allow me to avoid the side effects of a more heavily test-based cycle. I figure that since I only want to be 10-20 pounds over my natural limit, I can accomplish this without experiencing the undesirable consequences of higher doses of test (hpta shutdown, testicular atrophy, oily skin, hair loss, water retention, bodyfat increase, difficulty of keeping gains).
Put otherwise, I think that the cycle I outlined could contribute to a better look than a test only cycle. I am sure that some would disagree, and I am interested to hear your reasons ... not reasons why I am silly, but reasons why test can give the best aesthetic result. I would be especially interested if anyone agrees with me and would be willing to state that compounds other than test are best for aesthetic purposes in lean mass cycles, along with their reasons.
2. Don't run three compounds on your first cycle.
My reply: I do have some experience with AAS. I am currently taking 20-30mg of oxandrolone 5 days per week, so I have some idea of how I respond to AAS. I did not set out to many kinds of gear in my first bulking cycle. Rather, I found a compound that I really like on paper (get it?), and designed a cycle around it. Yes, the low dosages of injectibles limit gains while introducing two additional types of gear, but I think they are in my best interest for the following reasons: 475mg of gear per week will allow me to gain more than 275mg. Also, the low dosages will help me steer clear of sides. I recognize that some of you will object to a 3-compound cycle because it could contribute to sides, but I have designed it specifically to avoid sides. It's only six weeks, so the sides should be bearable (invisible?).
3. You don't mention PCT, diet, or training.
My reply: Let's do one thing at a time. I would be interested in suggestions for PCT, though.
I am interested in your replies. Does anyone think that there is merit to this cycle?
Basically, I want to look bigger and better. I want little to no sides. I want to gain 15 pounds this year, taking me from 170 to 185. Ideally, I would weigh around 193. I am 6' and quite lean, probably about 8% body fat. I will be doing short cycles of 4-6 weeks.
I have begun learning about a compound that is most interesting to me: oral turinabol. The East Germans were most fond of it. I am no fan of oppressive regimes that force-feed androgenic hormones to teenage girls, but I am a fan of the following aspects of turinabol:
1. If someone 140-200 pounds (and male) takes 40mg/day for 6 weeks while training and eating properly, he can put on a decent amount of lean mass.
2. At this dosage, many people do not notice any bothersome sides.
3. Here is the cool part: many of the East Germans upon whom this compound was exhaustively studied continued to make gains when they finished their cycles.
Aspect 3 is the one that really gets me. How many of you have gone on cycles where you continued to put on lean mass post-cycle? The reason this is possible with turinabol is that it binds to sex hormone-binding globulin. "Oral Turinabol also has the ability to bind to SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), and thereby prevent it from attaching itself to free testosterone in the body, and this may actually allow more testosterone to become unbound and available in the body." (Invalid Link Removed) So turinabol allows the body to make use of the test that it has in storage. Nice.
I am not quite ready to start a cycle. I want to get back into shape after slacking in December and improve my digestive health. Some of the compounds I am planning to take pre-cycle for the latter purpose are deprenyl, hydergine, nimesulide, and metformin. I will do a bit of digging to see of other members have experience with digestive disorders.
At any rate, I am thinking of the following for a lean mass cycle:
40mg turinabol ED (20mg in the AM, 20mg in the afternoon)
25mg of test base + 25mg of boldenone base via injection in the morning on training days (Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday).
If I can swing it, and if I am not experiencing major sides, I would like to add 2 units of top quality HGH ED from week 3 until the conclusion of PCT.
The on part of the cycle would last 4-6 weeks, possibly dropping the test and EQ after week 4 or 5. I would try to gain as much lean mass as possible over the course of 4-6 weeks. Having never done a bulking cycle before, I don't know how much this would be. After taking an equal amount of time off, I could repeat the cycle.
On the plus side, I don't think anyone would doubt that I will be able to put on some high quality mass with this cycle. Additionally, I really don't think I would experience major sides with this cycle. I think the shutdown would be minimal.
I genuinely don't know if there is a minus side, which is why I am posting this cycle for your scrutiny. I am fairly certain that I won't blow up the way I would on 400mg of test prop per week, but that's fine with me.
I am sure there are some aspects of this cycle that I don't know about, but should. Please help fill me in.
But I have anticipated several criticisms...
1. It's your first cycle. You want mass. Run test as your major or only compound.
My reply: I think that the cycle I outlined would allow me to avoid the side effects of a more heavily test-based cycle. I figure that since I only want to be 10-20 pounds over my natural limit, I can accomplish this without experiencing the undesirable consequences of higher doses of test (hpta shutdown, testicular atrophy, oily skin, hair loss, water retention, bodyfat increase, difficulty of keeping gains).
Put otherwise, I think that the cycle I outlined could contribute to a better look than a test only cycle. I am sure that some would disagree, and I am interested to hear your reasons ... not reasons why I am silly, but reasons why test can give the best aesthetic result. I would be especially interested if anyone agrees with me and would be willing to state that compounds other than test are best for aesthetic purposes in lean mass cycles, along with their reasons.
2. Don't run three compounds on your first cycle.
My reply: I do have some experience with AAS. I am currently taking 20-30mg of oxandrolone 5 days per week, so I have some idea of how I respond to AAS. I did not set out to many kinds of gear in my first bulking cycle. Rather, I found a compound that I really like on paper (get it?), and designed a cycle around it. Yes, the low dosages of injectibles limit gains while introducing two additional types of gear, but I think they are in my best interest for the following reasons: 475mg of gear per week will allow me to gain more than 275mg. Also, the low dosages will help me steer clear of sides. I recognize that some of you will object to a 3-compound cycle because it could contribute to sides, but I have designed it specifically to avoid sides. It's only six weeks, so the sides should be bearable (invisible?).
3. You don't mention PCT, diet, or training.
My reply: Let's do one thing at a time. I would be interested in suggestions for PCT, though.
I am interested in your replies. Does anyone think that there is merit to this cycle?
