Sustain alpha & Virtus???

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Thinking of running both together for 8weeks. Will these stack well or drop estrogen too much?
 
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If you keep virtus low like .3ml I think you would be ok.

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If you keep virtus low like .3ml I think you would be ok.

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This. You should be good with a lower dosage of virtus when stacking them together.
 

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If you keep virtus low like .3ml I think you would be ok.

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Sorry to sidetrack, but I'm thinking of running my last Iron Legion xi-kt and a vii-kt for a recomp in late January/February, and I picked up some Virtus on the black Friday sale, do you think .5ml EOD on cycle and through pct would support my goals or since 11kt doesn't aromatize, would it be too much?
 
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Sorry to sidetrack, but I'm thinking of running my last Iron Legion xi-kt and a vii-kt for a recomp in late January/February, and I picked up some Virtus on the black Friday sale, do you think .5ml EOD on cycle and through pct would support my goals or since 11kt doesn't aromatize, would it be too much?
I ran 2 bottles of xi-kt at 1.5ml per day for 6 weeks along with .5ml virtus everyday...lost 5lbs and saw some serious leaning.

if you are also running vii-kt I think .5ml virtus eod would be great...
 

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I ran 2 bottles of xi-kt at 1.5ml per day for 6 weeks along with .5ml virtus everyday...lost 5lbs and saw some serious leaning.

if you are also running vii-kt I think .5ml virtus eod would be great...
Awesome. Yeah . . . Higher doses of xi-kt were a lot better than recommend dose when I tried it, but it's my last bottle so I figure the regular dose as part of a stack should still be helpful. Maybe I'll pick up 11keto pills to get the dose up, we'll see. I'll for sure log that run though. :)
 
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Awesome. Yeah . . . Higher doses of xi-kt were a lot better than recommend dose when I tried it, but it's my last bottle so I figure the regular dose as part of a stack should still be helpful. Maybe I'll pick up 11keto pills to get the dose up, we'll see. I'll for sure log that run though. :)
good luck...hope you see nice results!!!
 

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I going to run this combo starting tomorrow. I will try to update a few times a week.
Im 47 @180lbs. Probably try starting Virtus at 0.5 ed..then after it kicks in.. drop to eod. Sustain will be 2-3 pumps per day. Included in the stack will be Ksm, Zma, and Bcaas. Training is 4 days a week for now. Goal is lean gains and to feel like Im 20 years younger again. Virtus treated me well in the past as I get estrogen sides from LJ100 and Virtus put a halt it. More to follow.
 
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I going to run this combo starting tomorrow. I will try to update a few times a week.
Im 47 @180lbs. Probably try starting Virtus at 0.5 ed..then after it kicks in.. drop to eod. Sustain will be 2-3 pumps per day. Included in the stack will be Ksm, Zma, and Bcaas. Training is 4 days a week for now. Goal is lean gains and to feel like Im 20 years younger again. Virtus treated me well in the past as I get estrogen sides from LJ100 and Virtus put a halt it. More to follow.
Keep us updated.
 
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Awesome. Yeah . . . Higher doses of xi-kt were a lot better than recommend dose when I tried it, but it's my last bottle so I figure the regular dose as part of a stack should still be helpful. Maybe I'll pick up 11keto pills to get the dose up, we'll see. I'll for sure log that run though. :)
Can you elaborate on “higher doses of xi-it were a lot better than recommend dose”

What kind of doses you run and what’s high? How much improved over “recommended”?

Thanks
 
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Can you elaborate on “higher doses of xi-it were a lot better than recommend dose”

What kind of doses you run and what’s high? How much improved over “recommended”?

Thanks
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Sure, so at 1ml a day I mainly noticed improvements in mood, and maybe slightly improved ability to recover from exercise (obviously that one is pretty subjective, but I measure that by when I feel physically up to doing the same workout with the same weights again) but at 2ml a day, I was able decrease body fat percentage with a smaller drop in bodyweight than I would have expected based on the percentage of decrease at roughly maintenance calories, so 2+ml/day is what I would say to run to get fairly quick recomp results but you would still get something out of 1ml/day. The other thing is, when I take anything that lowers cortisol, I adjust my training to reach for a level of frequency and intensity where cortisol would normally make progress difficult by doing things like full body workouts 4-5 days a week and increasing cardio. I know that increasing intensity would get results no matter what, but I find 11keto helps me keep more muscle, maybe even add a little, and lose more bodyfat than I otherwise would.
Hope that helps :)
 
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Sure, so at 1ml a day I mainly noticed improvements in mood, and maybe slightly improved ability to recover from exercise (obviously that one is pretty subjective, but I measure that by when I feel physically up to doing the same workout with the same weights again) but at 2ml a day, I was able decrease body fat percentage with a smaller drop in bodyweight than I would have expected based on the percentage of decrease at roughly maintenance calories, so 2+ml/day is what I would say to run to get fairly quick recomp results but you would still get something out of 1ml/day. The other thing is, when I take anything that lowers cortisol, I adjust my training to reach for a level of frequency and intensity where cortisol would normally make progress difficult by doing things like full body workouts 4-5 days a week and increasing cardio. I know that increasing intensity would get results no matter what, but I find 11keto helps me keep more muscle, maybe even add a little, and lose more bodyfat than I otherwise would.
Hope that helps :)
have you thought about 1ml 11keto/1ml Invictus? I ran this awhile back with stellar results.
 

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have you thought about 1ml 11keto/1ml Invictus? I ran this awhile back with stellar results.
I have not. I do like both products though, so I'm sure they would stack well. I have done 11keto and 7keto together and enjoyed that so I would imagine 11-invictus would be a step up from that.
 
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I have not. I do like both products though, so I'm sure they would stack well. I have done 11keto and 7keto together and enjoyed that so I would imagine 11-invictus would be a step up from that.
Invictus is definitely a step up.
 
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