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Sust250 Winny Stack Log

WannaShred

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First off I want to say hello to this board, Ive been a lurker for sometime now doing research and what not. I'm finally going to take my first cycle and am looking for some input in non flame form lol. Im mainly looking to add some mass and cut up. My stats are below

On Hand:
3750mg Sust250
2000mg BD winstrol oral
2500mg Masterlone
1200mg Clomid

Planned Cycle:
W1-10 325mg Sust250 Once a week From what I read and understand the actual dosage will be around 250mg after administered.
W1-4 25mg Proviron ED
W 4-10 50mg Proviron ED
W5-10 50mg Winstrol ED
W5-10 409MG DrenburtoulED
End Of W10-13 OFF
W13-17 50mg Clomid ED

Ive also plan on using some
Milk THistle
Fish Oil Caps
and my daily MV


5'-11"
181 lbs
15% BF
Training for 3 years

Pretty clean diet I use a Iphone app to track and eat pretty much the same thing everyday for ease of completing my diet goals.

Any input would be greatly appreciated, I know there are a ton of experienced people on this board thats why I chose to run in this community.
 
WannaShred said:
dren is •Drenbuterol OTC fat burner
and masterlone is Proviron
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alright.

a couple things here:

275mg/week of test is too low. u need at least 400mg/week to make decent gains.

why are u "cutting" on ur first injectable cycle? these do no replace diet and training and definitely wont do a thing for u if u cant diet correctly.

winstrol, whether it be injectable or oral, needs to be run everyday. 50mg ed for injectable and 50-75mg ed oral

and last thing, run the clomid 4 weeks...u have it listed for 3 weeks (13,14,15)


personally id drop some bf% BEFORE the cycle....or at least add some more weight
 
nosnmiveins said:
alright.

a couple things here:

275mg/week of test is too low. u need at least 400mg/week to make decent gains.

why are u "cutting" on ur first injectable cycle? these do no replace diet and training and definitely wont do a thing for u if u cant diet correctly.

winstrol, whether it be injectable or oral, needs to be run everyday. 50mg ed for injectable and 50-75mg ed oral

and last thing, run the clomid 4 weeks...u have it listed for 3 weeks (13,14,15)


personally id drop some bf% BEFORE the cycle....or at least add some more weight
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Well I dont want to gain to much mass just around 5-15lbs MAX! I can diet fine and have before, cardio and diet is not a problem to be for I used to be overweight was 220 26%bf !! Im only looking for moderate gains and a cut hardened look. My inital thought was that use the SUST250 to gain mass then as the cycle of SUST ends I start a cardio regimine and restirct the diet. Even if this means I have to wait a tad longer to use the Winny being tha sust has a long half life. This wont work? I dont see why it wouldnt if I upped my caloric intake while using the SUST to bulk some. THen as it leaves I throw in the winny and restric my caloric intake and go into maintence lifting with more cardio. Oh also gonna up the clomid to 4 weeks! And the winny ED @50mg thank you
 
so basically u want to bulk the start of the cycle and then cut at the end?

if this is infact what ur implying, then thats not a good idea. once u put size on u need to eat to maintain it....if it comes on fast...it will leave just as fast if u drop ur calories whether ur on or off cycle.

u have 2 options here:

1) eat at maintenance calories for the duration of the cycle. manipulate diet and cardio for desired results. basically a recomp.

test 275mg/week 1-10
winstrol 50mg ed 9-12

2) cut at the beginning of the cycle to get to a decent bf%, then once u get there focus on adding lean mass by upping ur protein more and lowering or cycling ur carbs.

test 275mg/week 1-10
winstrol 50mg ed 1-4 (6 weeks would even be better)
 
WannaShred said:
First off I want to say hello to this board, Ive been a lurker for sometime now doing research and what not. I'm finally going to take my first cycle and am looking for some input in non flame form lol. Im mainly looking to add some mass and cut up. My stats are below

On Hand:
3750mg Sust250
2000mg BD oral
2500mg Masterlone
1200mg Clomid

Planned Cycle:
W1-10 275mg Sust250 Once a week
W1-10 25mg Masterlone ED
W5-10 50mg Winstrol EOD
W5-10 409MG Dren ED
End Of W10-13 OFF
W13-15 50mg Clomid ED

Ive also plan on using some
Milk THistle
Fish Oil Caps
and my daily MV


5'-11"
181 lbs
15% BF
Training for 3 years

Pretty clean diet I use a Iphone app to track and eat pretty much the same thing everyday for ease of completing my diet goals.

Any input would be greatly appreciated, I know there are a ton of experienced people on this board thats why I chose to run in this community.
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Alright where to begin...

First I'll start with your stats. You've only been in the gym for 3 years and your only 180lbs at 5'11. That itself isn't enough to meet the criteria of taking enhancement drugs. At least 5 years and when you have reached your natural plateau (which you haven't) is when you should start considering steroids. But since you have it on hand, you'll do it anyways, guaranteed. So let's play this safe.

Second, if your planning on stacking all of that on your first go around, then your nuts dude. Don't get offended, just telling the truth bro. Always always always start out with test standalone on your first time. Reason being is because you have absolutely no idea how you will react to the test itself. So throwing in 5 other substances along with it could cause serious negative side effects.

Third, your planned layout is horrible and I don't have time to go into detail on why. But I will say this, why are you only cycling your clomid for 2 weeks? That isn't nearly enough for even a standalone test cycle man. You need to do tons more research on PCT before pinning yourself.

But like I said, nothing is going to stop you now, so ere is what you should be doing for your first cycle with what you have on hand..

1-12 Sust 500mg EOD or 2x PW
15-19 Clomid and or Nolva

This is an ideal first cycle that will give great gains considering your training and diet are in check.

Now let's talk about WHY you shouldn't be stacking that anyways.

Firstly, why would you take an oral if your already running Sustanon which contains a quick ester in it? The point of an oral is to kick start long esterd cycles, so IMO, save it for your next cycle. Masteron is great, but it's not for a beginner like yourself. Now as as Winstrol goes, it's either a hit or miss. People will either love it, or hate it. I keep that **** on the hate list, simply because it's harsh as hell on your joints and the hair loss blows too. As far as the dren goes, cut that out especially for beginners. Your taking your first plunge way too deep man.

Don't ever get the idea that more = better with any type of drug. Think of it this way, more = more side effects. They may be good, bad, or a mix of both. Better to play it safe, experiment with low dosages and go from there.

Good luck.
 
nosnmiveins said:
so basically u want to bulk the start of the cycle and then cut at the end?

if this is infact what ur implying, then thats not a good idea. once u put size on u need to eat to maintain it....if it comes on fast...it will leave just as fast if u drop ur calories whether ur on or off cycle.

u have 2 options here:

1) eat at maintenance calories for the duration of the cycle. manipulate diet and cardio for desired results. basically a recomp.

test 275mg/week 1-10
winstrol 50mg ed 9-12

2) cut at the beginning of the cycle to get to a decent bf%, then once u get there focus on adding lean mass by upping ur protein more and lowering or cycling ur carbs.

test 275mg/week 1-10
winstrol 50mg ed 1-4 (6 weeks would even be better)
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Never thought of it like that.

So if I did option 1, Im most likeyly to gain lean mass and cut up without much weight gain just definition.

Or if I did option 2 I would cut up and gain more mass with this cycle towards the end?

Im perplexed!! The choices the choices, im leaning toward option 2 :D

Thanks so much for your input !!
 
HawaiianPride said:
Alright where to begin...

First I'll start with your stats. You've only been in the gym for 3 years and your only 180lbs at 5'11. That itself isn't enough to meet the criteria of taking enhancement drugs. At least 5 years and when you have reached your natural plateau (which you haven't) is when you should start considering steroids. But since you have it on hand, you'll do it anyways, guaranteed. So let's play this safe.

Second, if your planning on stacking all of that on your first go around, then your nuts dude. Don't get offended, just telling the truth bro. Always always always start out with test standalone on your first time. Reason being is because you have absolutely no idea how you will react to the test itself. So throwing in 5 other substances along with it could cause serious negative side effects.

Third, your planned layout is horrible and I don't have time to go into detail on why. But I will say this, why are you only cycling your clomid for 2 weeks? That isn't nearly enough for even a standalone test cycle man. You need to do tons more research on PCT before pinning yourself.

But like I said, nothing is going to stop you now, so ere is what you should be doing for your first cycle with what you have on hand..

1-12 Sust 500mg EOD or 2x PW
15-19 Clomid and or Nolva

This is an ideal first cycle that will give great gains considering your training and diet are in check.

Now let's talk about WHY you shouldn't be stacking that anyways.

Firstly, why would you take an oral if your already running Sustanon which contains a quick ester in it? The point of an oral is to kick start long esterd cycles, so IMO, save it for your next cycle. Masteron is great, but it's not for a beginner like yourself. Now as as Winstrol goes, it's either a hit or miss. People will either love it, or hate it. I keep that **** on the hate list, simply because it's harsh as hell on your joints and the hair loss blows too. As far as the dren goes, cut that out especially for beginners. Your taking your first plunge way too deep man.

Don't ever get the idea that more = better with any type of drug. Think of it this way, more = more side effects. They may be good, bad, or a mix of both. Better to play it safe, experiment with low dosages and go from there.

Good luck.
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Whoa! I all for input and thanks for yours, My first post must have not been formatted correctly.

Ok so Ive been in the gym 3-5 years probally more with 2 years on off before my 3 year straight run to current. I work harder than anyone around! I have a mental focus of a buddist! Now maybe I didnt eat enough when working out for 3 years but I basically leaned out and couldnt gain much more mass.

The masterone? I have masterlone to keep bloat down aka Provirion, Im alread going to extend the clomid PCT to 4 weeks. SO i need to revise the cycle.


The oral is so I dont have to pin ED and to harden up my mass I plan on building. I dont have DECA or Dbol etc. in this cycle so Im not trying to kickstart the cycle.

Drenbuteroul is a fat burner that I was considering post Cycle to shred some fat that I aquired while putting on some mass.
 
WannaShred said:
Whoa! I all for input and thanks for yours, My first post must have not been formatted correctly.

Ok so Ive been in the gym 3-5 years probally more with 2 years on off before my 3 year straight run to current. I work harder than anyone around! I have a mental focus of a buddist! Now maybe I didnt eat enough when working out for 3 years but I basically leaned out and couldnt gain much more mass.

The masterone? I have masterlone to keep bloat down aka Provirion, Im alread going to extend the clomid PCT to 4 weeks. SO i need to revise the cycle.


The oral is so I dont have to pin ED and to harden up my mass I plan on building. I dont have DECA or Dbol etc. in this cycle so Im not trying to kickstart the cycle.

Drenbuteroul is a fat burner that I was considering post Cycle to shred some fat that I aquired while putting on some mass.
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5 years of solid hard work training is what I'm talking about. Not half ass here and there training for 5 years.

Honest, since your only running Sustanon, I really don't think you'll need to worry about bloating. Unless your diet is wack and you slack off in the gym. But if you want, keep it on hand just in case.

The fat burner is optional, although a strict diet will work better then any fat burning supplement in my opinion.
 
I'm the first to admit the first 2 years was half assed and since then I hit the gym hard 5 days a week . I have a overdue anything I try to accomplish disease I'm a go getta lol . My diet is very good !! And simple might I add mainly bars and rtd shakes by bsn , lunches n dinners mainly chicken and fish
 
Got a question has anyone had trouble with let say the Sustanon half life ends around 3 weeks right? SO Pct isnt supposed to start untill that third week. But lets say you take winstol at the end of your cycle and PCT is recommended to be taken 12 hours after your last dose of winstrol. Does that extend your entire PCT to 7 weeks? Yikes if it does.
 
HawaiianPride said:
Alright where to begin...

First I'll start with your stats. You've only been in the gym for 3 years and your only 180lbs at 5'11. That itself isn't enough to meet the criteria of taking enhancement drugs. At least 5 years and when you have reached your natural plateau (which you haven't) is when you should start considering steroids. But since you have it on hand, you'll do it anyways, guaranteed. So let's play this safe.

Second, if your planning on stacking all of that on your first go around, then your nuts dude. Don't get offended, just telling the truth bro. Always always always start out with test standalone on your first time. Reason being is because you have absolutely no idea how you will react to the test itself. So throwing in 5 other substances along with it could cause serious negative side effects.

Third, your planned layout is horrible and I don't have time to go into detail on why. But I will say this, why are you only cycling your clomid for 2 weeks? That isn't nearly enough for even a standalone test cycle man. You need to do tons more research on PCT before pinning yourself.

But like I said, nothing is going to stop you now, so ere is what you should be doing for your first cycle with what you have on hand..

1-12 Sust 500mg EOD or 2x PW
15-19 Clomid and or Nolva

This is an ideal first cycle that will give great gains considering your training and diet are in check.

Now let's talk about WHY you shouldn't be stacking that anyways.

Firstly, why would you take an oral if your already running Sustanon which contains a quick ester in it? The point of an oral is to kick start long esterd cycles, so IMO, save it for your next cycle. Masteron is great, but it's not for a beginner like yourself. Now as as Winstrol goes, it's either a hit or miss. People will either love it, or hate it. I keep that **** on the hate list, simply because it's harsh as hell on your joints and the hair loss blows too. As far as the dren goes, cut that out especially for beginners. Your taking your first plunge way too deep man.

Don't ever get the idea that more = better with any type of drug. Think of it this way, more = more side effects. They may be good, bad, or a mix of both. Better to play it safe, experiment with low dosages and go from there.

Good luck.
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I totally agree with HawaiianPride you need to put more solid time in the gym b4 you start. Also he is so correct about it not being a good idea for your first cycle to be such a complicated stack, but don't take my word for it you NEED to do your homework and be smart about it.
 
Drzjoint said:
I totally agree with HawaiianPride you need to put more solid time in the gym b4 you start. Also he is so correct about it not being a good idea for your first cycle to be such a complicated stack, but don't take my word for it you NEED to do your homework and be smart about it.
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No offense man but Im tired of people just piggy backin off of other peoples comments. Im asking valid questions and dont need a 1up post stat man jumping in with uselessness.
 
WannaShred said:
Got a question has anyone had trouble with let say the Sustanon half life ends around 3 weeks right? SO Pct isnt supposed to start untill that third week. But lets say you take winstol at the end of your cycle and PCT is recommended to be taken 12 hours after your last dose of winstrol. Does that extend your entire PCT to 7 weeks? Yikes if it does.
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I've got the same question as you. Actually, I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. Looking for same gains and so forth. Probably gonna spread 15 amps of sust 250 over 10 weeks and start winny mid cycle. Got conflicting info about the ed vs eod for the winny injectables. But gonna run it for 5 weeks.

Are you gonna start the pct 2 weeks after?
 
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