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Sust+primo vs Sust+primo+Oxa

Franco78

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Hola amigos!

In your experience, its better

300 sust/week
200 primo/week
40 mg oxa/day

Or

300 sust/week
400 primo/week

???

For 12 weeks
 
You would run the oxandrolone for 12 weeks? I’ve never done a cycle but it seems people don’t run it that long? Asking for my own knowledge. I do know it’s mild
 
I like option 2 better. Primo and Oxandrolone are similar drugs, primo is less stress on the organs I would think...
 
I am going to give a weird answer, but that is how i would approach it.

I would do test and primo, and kickstart with dianabol for the first whatever amount of weeks (be it 1.5, 2 or 3, its individual) it takes for your test to kick in for you, that way you you have no waiting time in your cycle but you also minimize the time you spend on toxic orals.

Dianabol is cheap, fast acting, and besides, you rent concerned about looking your best or hardest at the start of your cycle.

From my experience, 12 weeks is a long time and a waste of gear as gains stop much earlier for me, but again, that is individual.
 
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CroLifter said:
I am going to give a weird answer, but that is how i would approach it.

I would do test and primo, and kickstart with dianabol for the first whatever amount of weeks (be it 1.5, 2 or 3, its individual) it takes for your test to kick in for you, that way you you have no waiting time in your cycle but you also minimize the time you spend on toxic orals.

Dianabol is cheap, fast acting, and besides, you rent concerned about looking your best or hardest at the start of your cycle.

From my experience, 12 weeks is a long time and a waste of gear as gains stop much earlier for me, but again, that is individual.
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I agree with you.
For you, a better length its? 8 weeks?
 
Franco78 said:
I agree with you.
For you, a better length its? 8 weeks?
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I personally didnt see any gains post week 8 on test e. Many swear that primo needs to be run long, like 16 weeks. I didnt run primo but seeing its enanthate and myostatin elevates earlier (studies show around week 6 already!), i dont see it providing gains any longer than test enanthate.


I would shoot for 10 weeks, since you are using test E and primo E but if you notice that at one point, say week 8 or 9 or whatever that you are not gaining anymore and you have addressed increased caloric need as cycle proggresses, then its time to call it a day and stop the cycle and start recovery.

Better to come off instead of continuing to stress your body with these chemicals if you are not getting any more benefits.

If you are going to kickstart, i would even say 8 weeks is enough. If no kickstart, then i would save dbol for the end of the cycle and get that boost as gains diminish.

But you will make 95% of your gains in the 1st 8 weeks, if not 100%.
 
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Primo at 200 is stupid. At that point, don’t run it.

Run the primo at 400+, and the var for 6-8 weeks- 12 is too long imo though it’s not unheard of.
 
CroLifter said:
I personally didnt see any gains post week 8 on test e. Many swear that primo needs to be run long, like 16 weeks. I didnt run primo but seeing its enanthate and myostatin elevates earlier (studies show around week 6 already!), i dont see it providing gains any longer than test enanthate.


I would shoot for 10 weeks, since you are using test E and primo E but if you notice that at one point, say week 8 or 9 or whatever that you are not gaining anymore and you have addressed increased caloric need as cycle proggresses, then its time to call it a day and stop the cycle and start recovery.

Better to come off instead of continuing to stress your body with these chemicals if you are not getting any more benefits.

If you are going to kickstart, i would even say 8 weeks is enough. If no kickstart, then i would save dbol for the end of the cycle and get that boost as gains diminish.

But you will make 95% of your gains in the 1st 8 weeks, if not 100%.
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Thank you very much!
 
I used Deca and Primo together at 200mg each for 8 weeks. No test and still a surprisingly good cycle with few sides and quality gains. That combo ended up 1+1=3.

In the end, the total dose per week tends to matter more. The difference is the sides from high dosing one vs lots of low dosing other compounds.
 
Do Primo at 400mg for 10-12 weeks and Var for 6-8 weeks with your test. Don’t expect crazy gains but what you do gain should be gains that you keep.
 
Franco78 said:
Without test for zero water retention
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Is this a contest prep cycle? You are going to gain barely anything if anything without estrogen in your system. Not to mention cardiovascular damage and feeling like crap.


If you dont want to use test, fine, but you gotta have sth that aromatizes. Trest, dbol, something.
 
CroLifter said:
Is this a contest prep cycle? You are going to gain barely anything if anything without estrogen in your system. Not to mention cardiovascular damage and feeling like crap.


If you dont want to use test, fine, but you gotta have sth that aromatizes. Trest, dbol, something.
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Thank you CroLifter!

But why you say: cardiovascular damage?
 
Can't say too much without knowing your history and goals, but w/o them...

I would go option 2 and up the test to 400

400 test
400 primo

If you feel like having very high free test, 30mgs Oxa split 10/10/10 or 15/15 or 50mgs Provi per day split 25/25.

300 test is right in between trt and a cycle. Reasoning behind it?

.5mg Anastrozole 2x per week.
 
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