Sust/EQ cycle check...

spirall08

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Any suggestions/thoughts?

Sust : Weeks 1-12: 600mg/wk (M/Th)
EQ: Weeks 1-12: 600mg/wk (M/Th)
M-Sten: Weeks 7-12: 20mg or 30mg/day
HCG: 250iu 2x/wk (start around week 4. Finish before PCT).
Adex: Throughout: .5mg eod
Nolva: Throughout: 10mg/day or eod

Supports: cycle assist, hawthorne berry, tudca, joint supp, fish oil, multi, bcaas, creatine.


PCT:
Nolva: 20/20/20/20/10/10
Clomid: 50/50/25/25


Questions:
-M-sten. Should I go 20mg or bump it up to 30?
-Adex/Nolva. I am very gyno prone. Any suggestions on the dosing of my AI/SERM during cycle?

Never ran EQ before. Have run Sust several times.
Goal is to bulk. Will be trying to eat in excess.

Thanks in advance!
 
Try to swap out the adex and nolva for aromadin on cycle, dose the eq to 800 and yes the m stem dose is fine. Eq is better ran up to 16 weeks in my opinion. What's your goals ?
 
Sust should be pinned EOD because of the propionate ester.

0.5mg Arimidex ED is excessive for this cycle. If you swap out the Arimidex for Exemestane like the above poster suggested, I'd start at 12.5mg E3D and increase if necessary. Otherwise, start the Arimidex at 0.5mg E3D and increase if necessary.
 
Im a bit confused on your hcg-PCT timeline. Are you planning on running hcg into PCT?
 
Nac said:
Im a bit confused on your hcg-PCT timeline. Are you planning on running hcg into PCT?
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Nope. I was thinking that I need to wait 3 weeks after last pin of Sust to start PCT. So was thinking if the last pin is week 12, id have to wait 13,14 and 15, then start PCT in 16. However, that seems a little long so I'll prob scale it back a couple weeks.

I'll fix it in the original post
 
mike33511 said:
0.5mg Arimidex ED is excessive for this cycle. If you swap out the Arimidex for Exemestane like the above poster suggested, I'd start at 12.5mg E3D and increase if necessary. Otherwise, start the Arimidex at 0.5mg E3D and increase if necessary.
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Ok cool. I was just thinking because I am very gyno prone to up the dose. But I can start at e3d and take it from there.

Thoughts on nolva at 10mg ed? Or reduce that as well?
 
spirall08 said:
Ok cool. I was just thinking because I am very gyno prone to up the dose. But I can start at e3d and take it from there.

Thoughts on nolva at 10mg ed? Or reduce that as well?
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If you're gyno prone, I can understand why you'd want to dose it higher. Taking Nolva every day on cycle certainly isn't optimal, but it should keep you from getting gyno. I've read online that taking Nolva with Arimidex will make the latter less effective, but I've also read that that isn't true. We do know for certain that this issue does not exist with Aromasin/Exemestane.

If you really are that prone to gyno, starting the Arimidex at 0.5mg EOD with the Nolva at 10mg ED may be the best course of action. I'm just a big proponent of starting low with AI doses and increasing as needed. Low E2 is worse than high E2 in many ways, as long as it isn't too high. But your situation may warrant a different approach.
 
mike33511 said:
If you're gyno prone, I can understand why you'd want to dose it higher. Taking Nolva every day on cycle certainly isn't optimal, but it should keep you from getting gyno. I've read online that taking Nolva with Arimidex will make the latter less effective, but I've also read that that isn't true. We do know for certain that this issue does not exist with Aromasin/Exemestane.

If you really are that prone to gyno, starting the Arimidex at 0.5mg EOD with the Nolva at 10mg ED may be the best course of action. I'm just a big proponent of starting low with AI doses and increasing as needed. Low E2 is worse than high E2 in many ways, as long as it isn't too high. But your situation may warrant a different approach.
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Ok damn. I just got a whole stash of Adex too. I can start off with that until I get my hands on some Asin.

After the points you make, I'll probably start with e3d for my AI. I think that, along with the daily dose of nolva, should keep any gyno at bay. If I get a flare-up, I'll just up the dose of both of em till it goes away.
 
spirall08 said:
Ok damn. I just got a whole stash of Adex too. I can start off with that until I get my hands on some Asin.

After the points you make, I'll probably start with e3d for my AI. I think that, along with the daily dose of nolva, should keep any gyno at bay. If I get a flare-up, I'll just up the dose of both of em till it goes away.
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To be honest, I think the whole Nolva and Arimidex thing is a bit overstated. I'm sure many people have used them simultaneously and they've worked just fine.
 
That is not true in my take of things.
The SERM is raising Testosterone and with that Estrogen rises more than usual. An AI can control that and the Estrogen level can be kept in a more normal level.
When coming off the SERM high Estrogen would also result in estrogenic side effects and a little suppression again. Again, an AI prevents that and allows to keep the level of homeostasis achived with SERM usage.

Also I think the main interaction of a SERM with the AI is that the SERM already blocks receptors, so as long as the SERM is present, the level of estrogen loses influence and with that the AI.
 
mike33511 said:
Sust should be pinned EOD because of the propionate ester.

0.5mg Arimidex ED is excessive for this cycle. If you swap out the Arimidex for Exemestane like the above poster suggested, I'd start at 12.5mg E3D and increase if necessary. Otherwise, start the Arimidex at 0.5mg E3D and increase if necessary.
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I learned that sustanon pinning schedule after I ran mine.. I had good results, but had i pinned eod, I think I would have had even better results!
 
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