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Sust & Deca cycle q's

Yjyankee

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A friend of mine is getting ready to start a cycle of the two.

1mg a week of each. Sust on Mondays & Deca on Wednesdays. He plans on running this for 5 weeks as a bulker. He's 6'2" 180 & eating about 3,500 calories a day..

Would this be a good cycle for him to gain on. He's actually a hard gainer, that's why he's going so high on the calories.

For PCT, he's thinking 6-oxo. He's also considering a bottle of Nolva just in case. Would these be good enough, or should he add more. He'll be taking the other protectants, Hawthorn berry, Milk Thistle, etc..

Thanks-
 
Yjyankee said:
A friend of mine is getting ready to start a cycle of the two.

1mg a week of each. Sust on Mondays & Deca on Wednesdays. He plans on running this for 5 weeks as a bulker. He's 6'2" 180 & eating about 3,500 calories a day..

Would this be a good cycle for him to gain on. He's actually a hard gainer, that's why he's going so high on the calories.

For PCT, he's thinking 6-oxo. He's also considering a bottle of Nolva just in case. Would these be good enough, or should he add more. He'll be taking the other protectants, Hawthorn berry, Milk Thistle, etc..

Thanks-
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I'm sure you mean 1 gram of each, if that's the case I'd do 500 mg of Sust and 400 mg of Deca. 6-oxo alone for PCT is not ideal, he should use Nolva.

Finally, 5 weeks is too short IMO, unless he plans on running many short cycles. This should be a 10-12 week cycle for optimal gains. Sounds like he needs to rethink the cycle.
 
There are many problems with that cycle. For one the sust needs to be injected 3x ew or eod to keep blood levels stable. Deca has a long ester and it really won't be kicking in untill weeks 3-5 so running longer is a must. You would want to discontinue the deca at least a week before you end the test to allow more time for the deca to clear as ending on a Nandralone makes for a rough recovery.

weeks 1-12 Sust 250 3x ew
weeks 1-10 Deca 400 ew
weeks 4-13 HCG 250iu 2x ew
weeks 14-17 Nolva 60,40, 20, 20

That being said, sounds like your buddy needs to do a ton of research before jumping into a cycle like this. IMO
 
at 6'2" and 180lbs, unless you're very low bodyfat already, your friend is no where near ready for steroids. 6-OXO as PCT for test and deca? Your friend really needs to think about what he is doing.

BV
 
BigVrunga said:
at 6'2" and 180lbs, unless you're very low bodyfat already, your friend is no where near ready for steroids. 6-OXO as PCT for test and deca? Your friend really needs to think about what he is doing.

BV
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:goodpost:

I am 5'10 at a pretty low BF and even I am waiting till I am 185 to hop on a PH cycle, let alone gear man...
 
I am 5'10 at a pretty low BF and even I am waiting till I am 185 to hop on a PH cycle, let alone gear man...
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Of course. 6'2, and a shredded (4-5%) 180 would be a decent sized dude...still with room for growth naturally though.

BV
 
Thanks for your replies, Gentlemen. I'll definitely pass this on to him.

As much as I'm on this board, I have to admit, I'm not too familiar w/ the "dark side" yet. Still learning about SD & Emax!!:study: This board is the reason for my lack of sleep!!:yawn:
 
BigVrunga said:
Of course. 6'2, and a shredded (4-5%) 180 would be a decent sized dude...still with room for growth naturally though.

BV
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Yeah that is true..I should go get my BF tested, there is a place right near my house that does it for mad cheap, because everybody IMO underestimates their BF%. But, that being said I am only 158lbs in my avy, and I am about 170 now...
 
Not sure what you meant by 1mg a week, but chances are 3500cals isnt enough to bulk with on a cycle. At 6-2 even a ripped 180 isnt very big. He deffinetly should research some more before starting.
 
Your friend should stay away from all AAS.
There are a great many things wrong with that cycle design.

AAS is an aid, not a solution. There is way too much emphasis on it, and not enough on proper diet and training.

I'll go ahead and echo what all the above said. 6'2" 180lbs is toothpick material.
 
I told him all of this & gave him a swift :nutkick: !!

He's pissed now because he's stuck w/ about 5 weeks worth of gear that, IMO, is probably bunk anyway..

I tried... I tried....:trout:
 
sorry 6'2 180 is SKINNY no matter what .. i'm 5'8 207 or so and i'm no where near being huge

he needs to learn how to eat and train not just on 1g (or possibly 2g i couldn't tell) of gear any time soon
 
Your friend needs to spend a little more time in the gym before thinking of AAS, at 6'2" 180 he has either been not lifting long or not lifting well...my guess is a combo of both.

Education and time in the gym will benifit him a lot more than running a cycle...
 
you have all hit the nail on the head. He's kind of one of those guys that stays motivate in the gym for a couple months, & then takes a few months off..
 
im 6'3 250 and taking this stack ,but ive done 300mg of sust and 250mg of deca a week for 10 weeks im on my 6th week and have great gains, but im stressing about PCT because i cant get perscription nolva. This is my first cycle and i need to know if over the counter nolvadex is sufficient also what else i should take with it? Please Help.
 
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