sust 350 and bloat/estrogen controls

choochoo60

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i got a ten week cycle of sustanon 350. i decided on injecting every third day with .7 ccs each injection, basically getting 1.5 ccs per week. which would mean i would be getting 525 mgs of test a week. if this is not sufficient enough im going to up it to 2 cc's per week, but time will tell. a question that arose today, which also was my second injection day, is that how could i control bloat and or gyno effects while on cycle. i have a little over half a bottle of liquid nolva that i could use for the gyno, but at the same time i heard this wont do anythign for bloat, and yes i am watching the sodium and of course drinking gallons of water lol. basically im just a little paranoid becaue my last phera plex cycle made me possibly have gyno problems, its not a hard lump like classic gyno, but i think the gland tissue or something along those lines, possible brought on by progesterone levels irritated it. it seems to still be there and i was wanting to control it and make sure it doesnt get worse, while also using the same thing to help bloat if i get it. any insight would be appreciated. ooo also i was going to try and load up on b6 or b complex pills to help clear that up also thanks.
 
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD or ED. no bloat, no gyno
sounds good to me
 
**UPDATE****
i had started this cycle with superdrol at 20 mgs a day, ive used super before. i used one week before getting sust. but i seem to have some weird cramping-like muscle spasms near my shoulders chest area. its almost like a cramp, but its not the same. almost like a dry feeling in my joints and muscles. sometimes i hace to stretch to get it to go away sometimes i dont. but i was benching on monday, i didnt warm up properly and on my second set i seemed to strain my shoulder. i dont know if it was from the diuretic effect of superdrol or not. but ive been off of it for a week sofar. i ve used super twice in the past, but this time i stacked it with a cheap creatine, then i stopped, the cramplike feelings were stil there then i discontinued the super about a week after overlapin sust and super. anyone ever have problems like this or is there a vitamin that i may be lacking, ive been drinking water to some points where i cant drink anymore. any input would help
 
if you are taking anti-e's that will be the dryness.
are you taking any?
 
doubt it, SD + Test, joints shouldn't be dry.
 
wtf is sust 350??? Are you sure its real? Never heard of any UG or pharm lab making sust that strong.

Oh, and as far as bloat, thats diet dependent. One cutting cycle I used 750 mg test E, 100 tren ace EOD on a low carb diet with lots of cardio and got shredded. Prop is better because it has a shorter half life, but if you diet properly and watch your carbs you'll be fine. But if this is a bulking cycle, go ahead a and bloat...just make sure you lift some heavy ass weights to back it up, lol.
 
well for your question about sust 350 being real, soon all we will know will be sust. 350 because it has more grams of testosterone at the same proportions of 250. - imho but yes i started feeling the dryness when i was using superdrol the week before while using some cheap cell-tech LIKE creatine, ive never had this dry joint, muscle cramping feeling in my other two cycles of superdrol, but i only started using the anti E nolva at 20 mgs. a day or everyother day depending on circumstances when i started the 2nd shot of sust. when i talk about this dryness, its like an instant cramp like sensation throughout the whole pec or sometimes very tight feeling in my shoulder alls it takes to trigger it when it happens is a little movement, of course this is a different feeling then a usual cramp or charlie horse. anyy ideas? do i need some taurine? or some other supp? is this what it would feel like if u were using winny?
 
choochoo60 said:
is this what it would feel like if u were using winny?

No. What you seem to be describing is just muscle soreness and cramping. You might not be taking in enough potassium. You may also be just stressing your muscles more than you're used to due to increased strength. Winny pain is totally different. When you set up for dips you feel like your elbows are going to just pop, and when you jump off after a set you get a severe shooting pain throughout your forearms that feels like its so deep its in the bone, but it's just irritated deep muscle tendons and ligaments. I dont' recommend winny to anyone. I know newbs are always anxious to try it because it's so popularized, but it's crap. And these guys that stack it with tren are just asking for pain and injury. Yea, let me stack something that makes me strong with something that weakens my joints. :aargh:

As far as other supps, you should be taking a lot of things while on cycle. Flax oil, multi-vitamin, milk thistle, policosanol or red yeast rice, etc. If it is truly joint pain, 9-16 g of flax a day will do the trick.
 
choochoo60 said:
well for your question about sust 350 being real, soon all we will know will be sust. 350 because it has more grams of testosterone at the same proportions of 250. - ?

I'd have to disagree with that stament more is not always better especially when disolving 350mg of test into 1ml your going to need a higher BA content. I remember back when there was a blend of cyp/eth/prop 400mg/ml from a VERY popular company. But the BA content that it took to get that strength left HUGE nots in the injection site Same for prop 250mg/ml

The reason the 250mg/ml strength has been around so long is because it's smooth and painless.
 
mixedup said:
I'd have to disagree with that stament more is not always better especially when disolving 350mg of test into 1ml your going to need a higher BA content. I remember back when there was a blend of cyp/eth/prop 400mg/ml from a VERY popular company. But the BA content that it took to get that strength left HUGE nots in the injection site Same for prop 250mg/ml

The reason the 250mg/ml strength has been around so long is because it's smooth and painless.

I used that t400 and it hurt like a ***** and left hard lumps
 
ooo by the way, about the pain of injecting.. this is my first injection cycle. i was preparing myself for the virgin muscles to be sore after my first few shots, but even with the start of the cycle its been smooth sailing with basically no aching soreness to speak of. the only time it hurt was when i did one in my quad while sitting, i think that sitting may have been a bad thing to do, but i lived and learned lol. another thing, i agree with you that winny is crap and thats why i would never try it, but thats is also why i asked the question as to is the pain im feeling sound like what winny does, but i realize now that from your explanation that my pain is not the same. thanks for your input
 
question big guys.. im starting my third week today since my first injection and... oddly i have lost a few pounds. im really stumped.. the only thing that i can think of is that i've been working a lot, i do construction and i havent been eating and or drinking enough. but initially i started the superdrol to kick off this cycle but it seems like the 5 or 6 pounds i gained have dropped. im just stumped..
 
I HATE to quote myself, but instead of writing this all over again, here it is from another thread...

Rocky82 said:
People continuously ask me what I've "taken" i.e. what doses and what type of anabolic steroids to reach 265 lbs (qualify that as a contest weight of low 230's with 6% bf) at such a young age. My response to them is very simple, it's all about diet. And sadly, many ignorant people, mostly young guys that want to add size only for the summer months to look good on the beach, think I'm yanking their chain. tbh, even my offseason bulking cycles (as I outlined above) aren't that crazy with dosings (if you conider 1200 mg test per week crazy than you should see what some people take in the offseason - upwards of 4 grams). I've been committed to a clean diet since I was in my teens, and as I got into bodybuilding deeper and deeper, I just tweaked it by adding more meals, more protein, and the appropriate carbs. So that's step 1.

Step 2 is proper training (and by that I mean NOT overtraining), and appropriate rest and recovery. That being said I'll be the first to admit that I probably train a bit too much pre-contest, but that's my own flaw that I have to work on.

Step 3 is proper supplementation. This is a critical step as well. Let me also qualify this by saying that most supps you'll see in health food stores and in advertisements in magazines are total garbage. I will say that most of the discussion on this board regarding supps is geared toward supps that work, at least in my experience. That being said, here are what I consider to be crucial supps: protein powder, meal replacements, creatine, glutamine, BCAA's, mutli-vitamin, flax oil, policosanol, Coenzyme Q10, milk thistle, sesamin oil; pre-workout, during workout, and post-worout supps are CRUCIAL as well. I'm sure I may have left out a few. But knowing what to take and when to take them sometimes isnt enough. Most of the time, protein powder is the same across the board, but nowadays there is a large degree of variation in the purity amongst different manufacturers, as well as the degree to which the powder is fortified with different BCAA's, glutamine, and other vitamin and minerals. Also, you need to be careful when selecting the right creatine for your goals. Personally, Gaspari SIzeOn, and Vitargo CGL are big winners in my book (as are all Gaspari products for that matter).

I dont want to go on and on, but let me hopefully not be the first to tell you that anabolic steroids are NOT some godsend that will allow you to gain strength, size, and definition without paying attention to anything I listed above. In fact, I have more strength that most folks in my gym (if not all) when I'm on post cycle therapy and supplementing with a quality creatine than when they are on cycle. And I can understand your puzzlement about the tren. It has received a holy grail-esque reputation amongst weightlifters, but with tren, as is the case of all other anabolic steroids, your results (and that includes strength), are only as good as your diet.

So you are likely overtraining, not eating enough/often enough or both, and not adding the proper ancillaries.
 
well rock i have been round the block w. ph's a few times, and this is my first dip into the dark side, im not asking really why this is happening, more of what i should do next because i've probably lost a few lbs because of no creatine and work, the reason i';ve dropped th creatine is that it was giving me painful cramps at night and towards the end of my workouts whether it was my abs, tris, or calfs. but i was wondering if the dip will be picked up soon with the continued use of sust. also i still have yet to get my second 10 ml vial of sust and i was wondering in ur opinion if i should just inject the last 5 or 6 ccs of sust and instead of getting the second switch over to an enthanate or cypionate since i could easily do this. if u think so, which one is better and how many grams should i dose? im at 230 when i started my cycle. just random questions i guess sorry if i'm being a pain, but u know when u got free time random **** pops in ur head .. aight thanks
 
Regardless of how much you weigh, since this is your first real cycle I wouldnt go more than 750 mg test per week, and that's pushing it. You can gain plenty of good weight on 500 with a proper diet. But that phrase proper diet is such an understatement. I pay more attention and spend more energy per day eating and watching the clock count down until it's time for me to eat again, and most importantly what I'm putting in my mouth, than on my actual training. And to be honest, that's the way it should be. Training and recovery are about 30% of the equation. The rest is diet. You can let this all go in one ear and out the other, and eat pizza and burgers and drink beer (not attacking you as a person, I mean you in general), and you may gain weight and some strenght, but as soon as that cycle is over the strength is gone, you'll be a little moopy because of low test levels, an due to the crap diet, guess what...you'll look like sh%t!

So please, I'm begging you, get on a clean bulking diet and treat the hormones as just the icing on the cake, because that's all they are. I know you're constantly readin about different AAS on the boards or heresay in the gym, but just pick a simple cycle and stick with it. For a first timer I'd recommend keeping it simple and staying with enanthate or cyp.

week 1-12 500 mg test enan
week 1-10 400 mg deca

That and a proper diet will net you 15-20 lbs, 8-10 which you can keep with a proper post cycle therapy
 
thanks for the input rock. just fyi i do try and eat as clean as possible, i havent been to a fast food joint in god knows how long, but i do have the occassional burger when i go to the rent's house. but i also am the ultimate DD because when i started lifting there were no positives to come of alcohol. but ne ways i just went and picked up the other 10ml vial of sust and hcg so ill post up some picks on here to show you the results, unfortunately i didnt have my digital camera in time to take a before pic. thanks for the input.
 
Sounds good bro. Aim for 40-50 g of protein per meal spread out in 6 to 7 meals daily. Balance with 50-60 grams carbs, moreso post-workout.
 
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