Suppression from various AAS

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okay, so I'm a nerd when it comes to clinical data on this stuff... below are several links showing to what extent and how quickly HPTA suppression can occur from various androgens/SARMs. it is worth noting, that some of the dosages are far, far lower then what we see athletes use, whereas some are pretty applicable.

12 weeks of Ostarine at 3 mg/day suppressed testosterone by 38%:

http://www.ergo-log.com/enobosarmtrial.html

3 weeks of LGD 4033 at 1 mg/day suppressed testosterone by 300 ng/dl:

http://www.ergo-log.com/lgd4033.html

500 mg of testosterone reduced LH by 92% and 250 mg of testosterone reduced LH by 78%

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4266340/

2 months of Dianabol at 15 mg/day suppressed testosterone 69% and LH 50%

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/793272

100-200 mg/wk of nandrolone reduces LH from 5 to nearly 0 in approximately a month

http://www.ergo-log.com/decacycle.html

2 weeks of Winstrol at 10 mg/day reduced testosterone 55%:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6430603

6 months of Anavar at 2.5 mg/day cut testosterone levels in half:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8319371

Proviron:

http://www.popline.org/node/506648
 
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hmmm interesting, testosterone no big difference in suppression in dosage between 250-500 but difference in gains for sure
 

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hmmm interesting, testosterone no big difference in suppression in dosage between 250-500 but difference in gains for sure
yup.

some guys use lower doses hoping to avoid "suppression," but also inadvertently shortchange some of their gains, as well...
 
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yup.

some guys use lower doses hoping to avoid "suppression," but also inadvertently shortchange some of their gains, as well...
So in this case, more is better... wonder what happens when you go up to a gram a week.
 

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So in this case, more is better... wonder what happens when you go up to a gram a week.
prolly closer to 100% suppression.... but I think with good E2 management, HCG and a solid PCT a guy should bounce back pretty well.

IMO, the duration of the cycle is just as significant to suppression as the dosage.... maybe more. I know plenty of guys that recover just fine from 8-12 week cycles, but when the cycles go out to 16-20 weeks, see more issues with recovery.
 
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250 /week of test pharma grade is more than enough to for most of the guys for fist cycle
 

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250 /week of test pharma grade is more than enough to for most of the guys for fist cycle
again, I think it depends on their goals....

if you want to gain the a ton of muscle quickly, then I'd suggest 500+/wk.

but if you're looking for decent gains with more of an emphasis on a strength/weight ratio (like an athlete), then I'd agree about 250 mg...
 
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prolly closer to 100% suppression.... but I think with good E2 management, HCG and a solid PCT a guy should bounce back pretty well.

IMO, the duration of the cycle is just as significant to suppression as the dosage.... maybe more. I know plenty of guys that recover just fine from 8-12 week cycles, but when the cycles go out to 16-20 weeks, see more issues with recovery.
Theoretically 16+ weeks can be recovered from through HCG usage and extended PCT . But this isn't 100% effective some times.
 
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prolly closer to 100% suppression.... but I think with good E2 management, HCG and a solid PCT a guy should bounce back pretty well.

IMO, the duration of the cycle is just as significant to suppression as the dosage.... maybe more. I know plenty of guys that recover just fine from 8-12 week cycles, but when the cycles go out to 16-20 weeks, see more issues with recovery.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0RC5Mg69FHaUJ-b6D0RCps09TDo0qNZ0 guy said the same cycle length is the killer for men hormonal system
 

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Testoviron: interesting implications for the length of time long-esters can potentially stick around in the system exerting suppressive potency.
 
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Testoviron: interesting implications for the length of time long-esters can potentially stick around in the system exerting suppressive potency.
Yeah, makes me curious if prop is more or less suppressive than test e because while it acts faster, it doesn't stick around as long...

Also what's the suppression difference like for 500mg of test for 16 weeks and 1gram for 12.... wonder which would be easier to recover from
 

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Yeah, makes me curious if prop is more or less suppressive than test e because while it acts faster, it doesn't stick around as long...

Also what's the suppression difference like for 500mg of test for 16 weeks and 1gram for 12.... wonder which would be easier to recover from
from reading about the "microdosing" that a lot of athletes do, I suspect prop is way easier on the system for reasons that you said... I think it would mimic more of the body's natural daily fluctuations.
 

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After 2 weeks of 250mg/wk test cyp, lh/fsh levels become undetectable. At that point, it doesnt matter how much higher your dose is, in all instances you are shutdown.

The testoviron study catsnake linked above was a single dose analysis (if I read correctly), not quite enough time for the exogenous test to shutdown the HPTA.

I mean, complete shutdown is one of the reasons clomid is considered as a viable trt alternative to test inj.
 
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