Superdrol the best ?

I actually took msten already but I'm going a bit higher this time and also adding in another metyl (epi) so I was,just wondering . I plan on running msten20mg trenevar 120mg epi 40mg and 4andro 330mg for 8 weeks. Just trying to lose a bit more fat before I start but as you can as I'm already pretty big (230)
 

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When liver toxicity is discussed with something like superdrol or Dbol does anyone actually know long term health concern?
This isn't a troll question.

In other words... If you finish your cycle with no issues but you still did some level of damage to the liver... If the cycle was successful and proper time off between cycles is allowed is there still a long term scare about what may happen to the organ?

The reason I ask is because my aunt is dying from liver failure right now due to alcohol. That was a constant lifetime of drinking.

Would a few DS cycles with time in between be a reason for concern long term?
 
JS424 said:
When liver toxicity is discussed with something like superdrol or Dbol does anyone actually know long term health concern?
This isn't a troll question.

In other words... If you finish your cycle with no issues but you still did some level of damage to the liver... If the cycle was successful and proper time off between cycles is allowed is there still a long term scare about what may happen to the organ?

The reason I ask is because my aunt is dying from liver failure right now due to alcohol. That was a constant lifetime of drinking.

Would a few DS cycles with time in between be a reason for concern long term?
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I ran my first cycle from June to August , with msten dmz and tren. Just had blood work done 2 weeks ago and everything was fine they said I think the liver damage is something you need to worry on cycle and not accelerate it by being dehyrdratdd or taking large ammounts of Tylenol or drinking etc . I think in most cases it will return to normal I used ironlabs cycle support as well as drinking 2 gallons of water a day. I was pissing like a maniac and my urine was this copper or bronze color but like I said everything is fine now
 
JS424 said:
When liver toxicity is discussed with something like superdrol or Dbol does anyone actually know long term health concern?
This isn't a troll question.

In other words... If you finish your cycle with no issues but you still did some level of damage to the liver... If the cycle was successful and proper time off between cycles is allowed is there still a long term scare about what may happen to the organ?

The reason I ask is because my aunt is dying from liver failure right now due to alcohol. That was a constant lifetime of drinking.

Would a few DS cycles with time in between be a reason for concern long term?
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There is always that chance with anyone. However the liver is by far the fastest regenerating organ in the body. With that said if you proper cycle supports, keep dosage reasonable, and have a proper cycle length you SHOULD be good. There is always a chance though
 
And definely definely don't drink !!! I was actually drinking a lot before my cycle started in june. Now i only drink on rare occasions we are talking like less than 5 times since August when my cycle ended . its not worth amplifying any liver damage just to get a buzz plus alcohol is counter productive to building muscle anyway
 
anyone who decides to run superdrol is risking their health for some temporary gains. I know the temptation is so strong but superdrol was never initially released as a steroid because of it's major health risks. You're basically poisoning yourself to see an increase in strength and size. It wasn't until "prohormones" started popping up on the market that companies decided to dust this compound off and release it as a muscle building pill to the public.
Lots of people claim to love it because of the quick gains but anyone concerned about their overall health should avoid it. The quick gains don't stick around anyway.
 
dave39 said:
anyone who decides to run superdrol is risking their health for some temporary gains. I know the temptation is so strong but superdrol was never initially released as a steroid because of it's major health risks. You're basically poisoning yourself to see an increase in strength and size. It wasn't until "prohormones" started popping up on the market that companies decided to dust this compound off and release it as a muscle building pill to the public.
Lots of people claim to love it because of the quick gains but anyone concerned about their overall health should avoid it. The quick gains don't stick around anyway.
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Yeah but people go out and poison themselves several days a week for a "temporary" buzz. No one is disputing that superdrol or any of these designer steroids can be toxic but , is it anymore toxic than going out and say drinking a liter of vodka on the weekend . I'd like to see some evidence of chronic long term damage from these compounds not just temporary abnormalities in liver enzymes
 
dredmentia said:
Yeah but people go out and poison themselves several days a week for a "temporary" buzz. No one is disputing that superdrol or any of these designer steroids can be toxic but , is it anymore toxic than going out and say drinking a liter of vodka on the weekend . I'd like to see some evidence of chronic long term damage from these compounds not just temporary abnormalities in liver enzymes
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You won't find the "evidence" you are looking for because there are no reputable physicians who would ever subject humans to such testing. It was proven a long time ago that this compound is terrible for you. Whether it's the same as drinking a litre of vodka or not, who gives a sh1t. You only get one liver... don't fuk it up or risk your overall health for temporary gains.
 
I understand what you are saying man I really do. But, people seem to over aggerate how bad this stuff is for you. I'm 32 years old right now, and I have been drinking on and off since I was 15, and then also, years of heavy abuse of various hard drugs. I haven't done any drugs in over 2 years and have just recently looked into some of these PH/DS. you know what happens every time I go in for bloodwork? They say everything is perfect . I almost don't believe it myself which is why I get the work done every 6 months and from several different doctors and sources . I ran msten/dmz/tren with 4 andro and never had anything to indicate liver damage and as I just said before my bloodwork is perfect before and after. So either I am extremely lucky , or just not suspectible to this stuff...or the dangers of this stuff is greatly exagerated
 
I've done some really stupid stuff with my body, got blood work for the first time about 2 months ago and mine also came back with just slightly elevated AST liver values, which I attribute to my lack of cycle support on my most recent cycle. Took some stuff to help out with it during PCT and I'll be getting more bloods in 6 weeks to see where I'm at.
 
dredmentia said:
I understand what you are saying man I really do. But, people seem to over aggerate how bad this stuff is for you. I'm 32 years old right now, and I have been drinking on and off since I was 15, and then also, years of heavy abuse of various hard drugs. I haven't done any drugs in over 2 years and have just recently looked into some of these PH/DS. you know what happens every time I go in for bloodwork? They say everything is perfect . I almost don't believe it myself which is why I get the work done every 6 months and from several different doctors and sources . I ran msten/dmz/tren with 4 andro and never had anything to indicate liver damage and as I just said before my bloodwork is perfect before and after. So either I am extremely lucky , or just not suspectible to this stuff...or the dangers of this stuff is greatly exagerated
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Just because bloodwork says things look perfect doesn't mean you haven't suffered any organ damage, or that things won't progress in the longterm.
Bloodwork can only tell you so much.
 
If you just finished your cycle it would make sense your enzymes are a little messed up. When I was heavily addicted to pain killers my liver readings were all out of whack however within 3 months of stopping them everything was "perfect" although I feel doctors shouldn't throw that word around . I don't think anyone is in "perfect " health
 
bananagains said:
Getting some sdrol delivered soon here. Gonna stack it with vit 2x for 4 weeks while bridging into pmag. Should make some nice gainzzz
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Good luck with that. I hope you enjoy hospital food. By the way, if you need AAS at your age to make gains than you are doing something wrong. Stop being an idiot and grow up. Go to school, get a part time job, eat what your parents make you for dinner and don't use drugs.
 
T-Bone said:
Good luck with that. I hope you enjoy hospital food. By the way, if you need AAS at your age to make gains than you are doing something wrong. Stop being an idiot and grow up. Go to school, get a part time job, eat what your parents make you for dinner and don't use drugs.
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Tbone I think this guy is just a troll his post make no sense
 
dredmentia said:
I ran my first cycle from June to August , with msten dmz and tren. Just had blood work done 2 weeks ago and everything was fine they said I think the liver damage is something you need to worry on cycle and not accelerate it by being dehyrdratdd or taking large ammounts of Tylenol or drinking etc . I think in most cases it will return to normal I used ironlabs cycle support as well as drinking 2 gallons of water a day. I was pissing like a maniac and my urine was this copper or bronze color but like I said everything is fine now
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I don't know if increased water intake and hydration can prevent liver damage....I'm sure it'll help and everything but I think you're putting more hope in excess water than you should be.
 
dredmentia said:
I understand what you are saying man I really do. But, people seem to over aggerate how bad this stuff is for you. I'm 32 years old right now, and I have been drinking on and off since I was 15, and then also, years of heavy abuse of various hard drugs. I haven't done any drugs in over 2 years and have just recently looked into some of these PH/DS. you know what happens every time I go in for bloodwork? They say everything is perfect . I almost don't believe it myself which is why I get the work done every 6 months and from several different doctors and sources . I ran msten/dmz/tren with 4 andro and never had anything to indicate liver damage and as I just said before my bloodwork is perfect before and after. So either I am extremely lucky , or just not suspectible to this stuff...or the dangers of this stuff is greatly exagerated
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It only takes one time time screw it up. Just because you've lucked out so far doesn't mean in the future you're not gonna be slammed into the windshield, so to speak.
 
T-Bone said:
Just google,

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That should give you enough results to convince you this stuff is terrible.
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In one case the guy was 19 his eyes literally turned yellow but no other symptoms . Kid needed 4 months in a hospital bed and tons of meds to fix the one bottle of tainted sd he did.
 
bighulksmash said:
In one case the guy was 19 his eyes literally turned yellow but no other symptoms . Kid needed 4 months in a hospital bed and tons of meds to fix the one bottle of tainted sd he did.
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Tainted in what way?
 
bighulksmash said:
Not sure maybe from a dirty source. Ive done sdrol many times never had bad sides until i tried 60mgs a day then boom . Pains in my liver and intestinal tracks. Like ****ting glass
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Well yeah...the dosages you use are insane lol
 
bighulksmash said:
Not sure maybe from a dirty source. Ive done sdrol many times never had bad sides until i tried 60mgs a day then boom . Pains in my liver and intestinal tracks. Like ****ting glass
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EVERY source of sdrol is tainted. It's a dirty rejected compound that no reputable pharmaceutical company would ever be willing to put their name on.
 
dave39 said:
EVERY source of sdrol is tainted. It's a dirty rejected compound that no reputable pharmaceutical company would ever be willing to put their name on.
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I have a friend that uses sdrol on his cutting cycles and has never had any issues other than a slightly decreased appetite.
 
Lmao I'm doing 10mg calm down. I go to college and I don't need it to make gains but having trained fr almost five years I was ready to take the next step. You guys are getting your panties twisted I'll be using cycle support and Clomid for pct. I know what I am doing and have assessed all risks. I'll let you guys know if something goes south, although I'm confident it won't. I eat clean. I'm young. I'm responsible. I don't drink. I don't even take Tylenol or other painkillers.
 
bananagains said:
Lmao I'm doing 10mg calm down. I go to college and I don't need it to make gains but having trained fr almost five years I was ready to take the next step. You guys are getting your panties twisted I'll be using cycle support and Clomid for pct. I know what I am doing and have assessed all risks. I'll let you guys know if something goes south, although I'm confident it won't. I eat clean. I'm young. I'm responsible. I don't drink. I don't even take Tylenol or other painkillers.
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Praise the gainz lawd
 
BamBam0319 said:
I have a friend that uses sdrol on his cutting cycles and has never had any issues other than a slightly decreased appetite.
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No disrespect Bam but good for him. That doesn't mean he's healthy. There are 1000s of "perfectly healthy" people who die every year and blood work and doctors never saw it coming. Like I said before, even if someone does blood work and it comes back good it doesn't mean that the person hasn't suffered any permanent damage to their organs.
 
dave39 said:
No disrespect Bam but good for him. That doesn't mean he's healthy. There are 1000s of "perfectly healthy" people who die every year and blood work and doctors never saw it coming. Like I said before, even if someone does blood work and it comes back good it doesn't mean that the person hasn't suffered any permanent damage to their organs.
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It's the so-called "healthy" people this always happens to also.
 
bighulksmash said:
Praise the gainz lawd
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Sippin coronas with my vatos
Me casa you know is su casa
Big cat we used to call el gato
Now guwop they call me el chapo
Got a war and no surrender
Submachine with that extender
I got more money than all these rappers
They tried to hit me up in traffic
You know I had to work my magic
 
bighulksmash said:
In one case the guy was 19 his eyes literally turned yellow but no other symptoms . Kid needed 4 months in a hospital bed and tons of meds to fix the one bottle of tainted sd he did.
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If were thinking lf the same case the kid actually bought epistane from ebay but it was actually sd and he didnt even go to the gym so doubt he had the right support but still shows how strong sd is
 
bananagains said:
Sippin coronas with my vatos
Me casa you know is su casa
Big cat we used to call el gato
Now guwop they call me el chapo
Got a war and no surrender
Submachine with that extender
I got more money than all these rappers
They tried to hit me up in traffic
You know I had to work my magic
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Oh how cute!. He's singing us a song guys!. Maybe if we are lucky he will dance for us too!
 
T-Bone said:
Does he do regular blood work proving no issues?
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No he's not that smart lol. I'm not saying he's healthy or anything, just that he hasn't had any scary experiences like jaundice or yellow eyes. I highly doubt he is in good health on the inside.
 
dave39 said:
No disrespect Bam but good for him. That doesn't mean he's healthy. There are 1000s of "perfectly healthy" people who die every year and blood work and doctors never saw it coming. Like I said before, even if someone does blood work and it comes back good it doesn't mean that the person hasn't suffered any permanent damage to their organs.
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I have to agree with you here. The blood test doesn't always tell the whole story. Sometimes the problem is well hidden. I've seen people with no health issues suddenly fall ill. A good cab driver friend of mine was sick for yrs . Turns out he had a tumor in his prostate.
 
bananagains said:
Sippin coronas with my vatos
Me casa you know is su casa
Big cat we used to call el gato
Now guwop they call me el chapo
Got a war and no surrender
Submachine with that extender
I got more money than all these rappers
They tried to hit me up in traffic
You know I had to work my magic
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Oh jeezus trap house 3 got a k with me and 3 young niggas that stay wit me hope these niggas dont play with me hope these niggas dont play with me !!!
Taste in music is 100%bananagains hammocks u find my trapbook?
:FUfinger: :banana:
 
BamBam0319 said:
No he's not that smart lol. I'm not saying he's healthy or anything, just that he hasn't had any scary experiences like jaundice or yellow eyes. I highly doubt he is in good health on the inside.
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That's the most dangerous kind of "healthy". I know you said you're not saying he's healthy but I bet he thinks he is. I could easily see this snowballing out of control if he is not careful. Never getting blood work and then doing another cycle without knowing where you are health-wise...It's only a matter of time before things get bad enough to cause symptoms.
 
bighulksmash said:
I have to agree with you here. The blood test doesn't always tell the whole story. Sometimes the problem is well hidden. I've seen people with no health issues suddenly fall ill. A good cab driver friend of mine was sick for yrs . Turns out he had a tumor in his prostate.
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Exactly hulk! I know that we all want to think that getting blood work done is a surefire way to ensure we are being healthy while we put all these chemicals and "natural supplements" into our bodies but there is no guarantee and we usually don't find out until something SERIOUS has popped up out of no where.
 
dave39 said:
Exactly hulk! I know that we all want to think that getting blood work done is a surefire way to ensure we are being healthy while we put all these chemicals and "natural supplements" into our bodies but there is no guarantee and we usually don't find out until something SERIOUS has popped up out of no where.
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Meanwhile, doctors order expensive tests to tell people nothing is wrong with them...
 
T-Bone said:
Meanwhile, doctors order expensive tests to tell people nothing is wrong with them...
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True that T...
Like many others I don't mind running the risk with certain compounds because I enjoy trying out new products and seeing what works for me. Like many, I have spent thousands and thousands of dollars supporting the supplement industry over the years but guess what... I will never assume that I am healthy just because my blood work says so. I know what I have put in my body and I know that the body is an amazing thing with fantastic healing powers, but we are mortal and organic and the body can only handle so much...
Just because you spray a field full of crops with "natural chemicals" to kill weeds and bugs doesn't mean that the crop is still perfectly healthy... otherwise we wouldn't see the amount of cancer that we do (obviously this is not the only example).
 
bighulksmash said:
Hes going to be a poster boy for zombie apocalypse .
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T-Bone said:
That's the most dangerous kind of "healthy". I know you said you're not saying he's healthy but I bet he thinks he is. I could easily see this snowballing out of control if he is not careful. Never getting blood work and then doing another cycle without knowing where you are health-wise...It's only a matter of time before things get bad enough to cause symptoms.
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Yea. He has a coach now though and was told to stop using SD lol. He blasts and cruises and just started bulking. Doing test and dbol and focusing on diet more than he has in the past. He has always eaten strictly healthily though.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Yea. He has a coach now though and was told to stop using SD lol. He blasts and cruises and just started bulking. Doing test and dbol and focusing on diet more than he has in the past. He has always eaten strictly healthily though.
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We all know who that coach is bambino!
 
Let me ask you guys something though one thing I took away from all this is that the gains from something like superdrol are not worth the risk but in that regard what is worth the risk. Isn't any anabolic steroid going to give you some decent gains and then when you stop taking it and your hormones drop back to baseline level , your gonna lose a decent amount of muscle.,not saying you are going to lose it all but..is the chemistry or nature of superdrol and it's clones is that you just don't keep,the gains you get ?
 
dredmentia said:
Let me ask you guys something though one thing I took away from all this is that the gains from something like superdrol are not worth the risk but in that regard what is worth the risk. Isn't any anabolic steroid going to give you some decent gains and then when you stop taking it and your hormones drop back to baseline level , your gonna lose a decent amount of muscle.,not saying you are going to lose it all but..is the chemistry or nature of superdrol and it's clones is that you just don't keep,the gains you get ?
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If done correctly you can keep the lean muscle part of thee equation.usually the water and glycogen goes away by week 2 of pct and the lifter gets discouraged and either starts a cycle to early or quits all together. 70%of the guys out there have no idea what they are doing . 30% are amongst the top and they have a little bit of an understanding. For the most part education and implementation is what will help you keep those gains.
 
dredmentia said:
Let me ask you guys something though one thing I took away from all this is that the gains from something like superdrol are not worth the risk but in that regard what is worth the risk. Isn't any anabolic steroid going to give you some decent gains and then when you stop taking it and your hormones drop back to baseline level , your gonna lose a decent amount of muscle.,not saying you are going to lose it all but..is the chemistry or nature of superdrol and it's clones is that you just don't keep,the gains you get ?
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No you won't really keep that much of the gains at all. People claiming they keep the gains are lying. If people kept all the gains from the cycles they ran we would have a ton of Olympia competitors running around. Didn't mean to add a bodybuilding reference but you get the point. Plus if people kept their gains you think they would continue doing more and more cycles?. I mean damn, these guys would be freakin huge.
 
dredmentia said:
Let me ask you guys something though one thing I took away from all this is that the gains from something like superdrol are not worth the risk but in that regard what is worth the risk. Isn't any anabolic steroid going to give you some decent gains and then when you stop taking it and your hormones drop back to baseline level , your gonna lose a decent amount of muscle.,not saying you are going to lose it all but..is the chemistry or nature of superdrol and it's clones is that you just don't keep,the gains you get ?
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If you do things properly like bighulksmash said you will be able to keep some gains... with that said... if you have already reached your "natural" plateau and you take an anabolic compound you will most likely lose the majority of your gains, over time, once you stop taking them. This is because your body has a natural limits and cannot support much more "gains" over that natural limit without continuous use of anabolics.
The natural limit is what your body always wants to go back to - it wants to be soft and comfortable. The anabolics force it out of that state but again, it wants to return to that limit when the anabolics are stopped. It could take weeks, or months for it to return to the natural state - depending on what you do and how you do it after your cycle.
 
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