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Superdrol the best ?

All those chemicals, superdrol, msten, dmz are not even prohoromones though right They are just oral steroids. So why when people refer to real steroids like dbol anavar Winnie etc, which are also oral, they seem to put them in a diff categoey than these commonly used designer steroids we find online so easily. Infact isn't superdrol better than all of those? The only "prohoromones" are stuff like 4 andro 1 andro trenvar halo...stuff that converts into an active steroid. Am I missing something here ?
 
dredmentia said:
Dmz is still legal too right. They sell it at some gym by my house although I feel everyone that goes to that gym is on the real deal and not oral horomones.

Anyway for my next cycle I got msten and tren pills which I took before but I was really overweight so it was kind of a waste . this time I will be doing t right
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Why was it a waste?. Anabolics can be used for a variety of goals. Keeping muscle while losing fat being one of them. As long as you eat correctly and keep an eye on your health I don't see a problem.
 
Ok it wasnt a total waste I lost 20 pounds and gained a ton of strength. I feel though that I should have lost the fat first naturally like I am doing now then running the cycle. However I was happy with the results I got even though it was not ideal
 
dredmentia said:
Ok it wasnt a total waste I lost 20 pounds and gained a ton of strength. I feel though that I should have lost the fat first naturally like I am doing now then running the cycle. However I was happy with the results I got even though it was not ideal
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You would have lost a lot more strength, and definitely wouldn't have gained any at all if you hadn't used AAS.
 
dredmentia said:
All those chemicals, superdrol, msten, dmz are not even prohoromones though right They are just oral steroids. So why when people refer to real steroids like dbol anavar Winnie etc, which are also oral, they seem to put them in a diff categoey than these commonly used designer steroids we find online so easily. Infact isn't superdrol better than all of those? The only "prohoromones" are stuff like 4 andro 1 andro trenvar halo...stuff that converts into an active steroid. Am I missing something here ?
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It's just a marketing technique supplement companies used.

What I'm curious is to know how the hardcore designers like Msten compare to the black market stuff like dbol?
 
What's everyone's fav go-to brand for Msten?
 
Aren't illegal/prescription anabolic classied a certain way like i know anavar is a class 1 anabolic. . I feel these substances like anavar deca are all made by actual pharmaceutical companies, while the ds and prohoromones are made by supplement companies that also make a variety of substances like pre workouts fat burners etc . what is to stop these companies from making an anavar or dbol clone since they obviously don't care since they are manufacturing what is now controlled substances. Im very new to all this so I don't know. Also I noticed the nomenclature for all the chemical names of these designer steroids are very similar like they always have androsta or dione or iedene abol etc in their names while the prescription ones like anavar have names you would see from normal phamretical drugs
 
Anavar, etc. are just product names. The steroid name for anavar is oxandrolone
 
Yes but even that is much different than say the chemical name for dmz17beta-hydroxy 2alpha,17alpha-dimethyl 5alpha-androstan 3-one azine
 
dredmentia said:
Yes but even that is much different than say the chemical name for dmz17beta-hydroxy 2alpha,17alpha-dimethyl 5alpha-androstan 3-one azine
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Anavar is a brand of Oxandrolone and oxandrolone is again just a name for the actual chemical. Oxandrolone can be written as 5-alpha-androstan-2-oxa-17 alpha-methyl-17 beta-ol-3-one.
 
dredmentia said:
Aren't illegal/prescription anabolic classied a certain way like i know anavar is a class 1 anabolic. . I feel these substances like anavar deca are all made by actual pharmaceutical companies, while the ds and prohoromones are made by supplement companies that also make a variety of substances like pre workouts fat burners etc . what is to stop these companies from making an anavar or dbol clone since they obviously don't care since they are manufacturing what is now controlled substances. Im very new to all this so I don't know. Also I noticed the nomenclature for all the chemical names of these designer steroids are very similar like they always have androsta or dione or iedene abol etc in their names while the prescription ones like anavar have names you would see from normal phamretical drugs
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Interesting point.
 
Kickstart7 said:
So taladifil ED or EOD could solve BP issue ?
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Cialis is not an approved blood pressure medication. I'd suggest something like enalapril, an ace inhibitor.

Your best bet imo would be,

500mg terminalia Arjuna q8h to strengthen the left ventricle and decrease the work load

200mg l-theanine to take stress off the heart and vessels

300mg potassium nitrate 2-4x daily to directly dilate the peripheral arterial vessels.

If your blood pressure isn't controlled on that, you need medical management.
 
criticalbench said:
Cialis is not an approved blood pressure medication. I'd suggest something like enalapril, an ace inhibitor.

Your best bet imo would be,

500mg terminalia Arjuna q8h to strengthen the left ventricle and decrease the work load

200mg l-theanine to take stress off the heart and vessels

300mg potassium nitrate 2-4x daily to directly dilate the peripheral arterial vessels.

If your blood pressure isn't controlled on that, you need medical management.
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On point as usual
 
I had a better experience on cycle and with being able to keep gains from ultradrol. Methylstenbolone is a great ph and ive never gotten gyno from it unlike sdrol.
 
So really then some of these orals you can get very easily online are just as good if not better than the "real" stuff. So what besides the liver damage which I also feel is a bit exaggerated , why do people bash then so much. Not so much on this forum but damn like a site like tnation you mention PH or DS and people say yeah throw them out and get some REAL gear
 
dredmentia said:
So really then some of these orals you can get very easily online are just as good if not better than the "real" stuff. So what besides the liver damage which I also feel is a bit exaggerated , why do people bash then so much. Not so much on this forum but damn like a site like tnation you mention PH or DS and people say yeah throw them out and get some REAL gear
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So on what basis did you form your opinion that liver damage is exaggerated?. Do you realize that every forum is pretty much the same?. This forum has forum favorites and so do other forums. Why don't you ask the people over a t-nation why the "bash" them so much. If there were no legal consequences and I could guarantee I wouldn't be incarcerated I'd be using the "REAL" stuff in a heartbeat. I'd need pharm grade though because I'm not about to inject something into my body that was made is someones basement in a bathtub.
 
T-Bone said:
So on what basis did you form your opinion that liver damage is exaggerated?. Do you realize that every forum is pretty much the same?. This forum has forum favorites and so do other forums. Why don't you ask the people over a t-nation why the "bash" them so much. If there were no legal consequences and I could guarantee I wouldn't be incarcerated I'd be using the "REAL" stuff in a heartbeat. I'd need pharm grade though because I'm not about to inject something into my body that was made is someones basement in a bathtub.
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Tbone for my first cycle I ran several mehtylated ph for 2 months. Not a single,problem blood work liver enzymes were fine. My skin didn't turn yellow. Nothing at all. And i was taking dmz and msten.

And yes I 100% agree with you on the clandestine stuff. I would rather go natural than inject some **** someone made in some make shift lab in their basement
 
dredmentia said:
Tbone for my first cycle I ran several mehtylated ph for 2 months. Not a single,problem blood work liver enzymes were fine. My skin didn't turn yellow. Nothing at all. And i was taking dmz and msten.

And yes I 100% agree with you on the clandestine stuff. I would rather go natural than inject some **** someone made in some make shift lab in their basement
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lipids!

The terms PH and DS you keep using are not the same.

A PH is a pro or precursor hormone. That means it is not an active steroid when consumed but becomes one after conversion. These are a waste IMHO

A DS is a designer steroid. It is an active steroid. They use the term designer because they skirted the previous legality issues. They are the same as a winstrol or anavar and most are now illegal too.
 
dredmentia said:
Tbone for my first cycle I ran several mehtylated ph for 2 months. Not a single,problem blood work liver enzymes were fine. My skin didn't turn yellow. Nothing at all. And i was taking dmz and msten.

And yes I 100% agree with you on the clandestine stuff. I would rather go natural than inject some **** someone made in some make shift lab in their basement
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Just because you lucked out on one cycle doesn't mean that that's gonna be the story the second time or the 8th time.
 
I feel that certain blood levels being slightly off during a cycle doesn't count as "damage". If you take your blood several months later and everything is still severely messed up I would classify that as damage though. Like the type of damage heavy alcohol abuse causes .
 
JS424 said:
So this is sort of a troll question, because I know there is really no clear answer and everyone is different. But when they were all legal, what was the best designer/prohormone out there? Everything I've read makes it seem like it comes down to Superdrol and Ultradrol.

And how did these designers compare to the illegal stuff like anadrol or dianabol?

Just a question out of curiosity!
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Methyl 1 Testosterone (M1T) was and is the best oral steroid... IMO
 
I'm no expert certainly. But the whole hepatoxicity is kind of confusing. Shouldn't SD be the same amount of hepatoxic as Dbol or anadrol or any methylated PH/DS since it's the resistance to metabolizing in liver that causes hepatoxicity?
 
JS424 said:
I'm no expert certainly. But the whole hepatoxicity is kind of confusing. Shouldn't SD be the same amount of hepatoxic as Dbol or anadrol or any methylated PH/DS since it's the resistance to metabolizing in liver that causes hepatoxicity?
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It's a lot more complicated than that. It's drug specific but differences in individual body chemistry can also cause certain people to react differently to the same drug. The only way to know is to try the drug yourself, if you want to take the risk and make sure to prioritize cycle support and also make sure you go start with lowest dosage that gives you results. If you start to get sick and feel like crap on your cycle, don't "power through it" though. Stop and continue taking your cycle support and if you don't start feeling better within 2 weeks than make a doctors appointment.
 
T-Bone said:
It's a lot more complicated than that. It's drug specific but differences in individual body chemistry can also cause certain people to react differently to the same drug. The only way to know is to try the drug yourself, if you want to take the risk and make sure to prioritize cycle support and also make sure you go start with lowest dosage that gives you results. If you start to get sick and feel like crap on your cycle, don't "power through it" though. Stop and continue taking your cycle support and if you don't start feeling better within 2 weeks than make a doctors appointment.
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Got it. That's what I figured but thought there might be a quick answer.

So is SD more or less hepatoxic than Dbol or anadrol?

The reason I ask is I know a lot of people that have done anadrol in particular and there's never really been an issue and it's not talked about so badly. But SD everyone goes crazy talking about hepatoxic. I was just curious if this is because it was legal so people were out to make a name against it and people were using it that didn't research or if it is just truly worse.
 
Getting some sdrol delivered soon here. Gonna stack it with vit 2x for 4 weeks while bridging into pmag. Should make some nice gainzzz
 
T-Bone said:
It's a lot more complicated than that. It's drug specific but differences in individual body chemistry can also cause certain people to react differently to the same drug. The only way to know is to try the drug yourself, if you want to take the risk and make sure to prioritize cycle support and also make sure you go start with lowest dosage that gives you results. If you start to get sick and feel like crap on your cycle, don't "power through it" though. Stop and continue taking your cycle support and if you don't start feeling better within 2 weeks than make a doctors appointment.
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This guys advice saved me once "fact" ..
 
bananagains said:
Getting some sdrol delivered soon here. Gonna stack it with vit 2x for 4 weeks while bridging into pmag. Should make some nice gainzzz
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You should not be using steroids at all.
 
I'll making plenty o gains brutha. Plenty. There's been much harsher cycles ran on these boards and they turned out just fine. I will take 8-12 weeks off after this next cycle then do another. Might do an injectable test with sdrol and pmag or just sdrol and pmag. Either way whatever I'm doing what I want lol
 
bananagains said:
I'll making plenty o gains brutha. Plenty. There's been much harsher cycles ran on these boards and they turned out just fine. I will take 8-12 weeks off after this next cycle then do another. Might do an injectable test with sdrol and pmag or just sdrol and pmag. Either way whatever I'm doing what I want lol
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Lmfao at this dude. He never replied to me on the other thread. I wonder why ... You go ahead and ruin your **** man
 
JS424 said:
And brings and interesting point. What is more toxic generally speaking. Oral Dbol or SD?
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You have to look at potency then.

How much are you going to get out of 10mg of dbol? Vs 10mg of sd.

People can run up to 100mg dbol, ain't nobody going to run 100mg of sd.

Could probably be done though.... Let's get bananagins some sd to run at 100mg!
He'll take one for the team! In the name of science!
 
jbryand101b said:
You have to look at potency then.

How much are you going to get out of 10mg of dbol? Vs 10mg of sd.

People can run up to 100mg dbol, ain't nobody going to run 100mg of sd.

Could probably be done though.... Let's get bananagins some sd to run at 100mg!
He'll take one for the team! In the name of science!
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Haha !!! Good 1 . Ive done dbol at 100 but ill never go above 60 with sdrol . Almost died that time .
 
How does the toxicity of Msten compare to superdrol. I'm all ready to run msten/tren/epi in a month or so (those megatren pills are 20mg tren 5mg msten)
 
dredmentia said:
How does the toxicity of Msten compare to superdrol. I'm all ready to run msten/tren/epi in a month or so (those megatren pills are 20mg tren 5mg msten)
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Msten is a great compound . It excited my PTSD and anxiety disorder , but for almost everyone else I talked to there was 0 issues . As for toxicity, msten is a little easier on the system. Remember each experience is user dependant. Cycle support and proper self care dictates the outcome of any cycle that you run. Be sure to follow proper dosing protocols on any stacks . More is not better , its deadly.
 
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