Superdrol Cycle

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Looking into running a cycle of SD for a clean bulk. 23 years old, 5'9" 194lbs approx 13% BF. Past cycle was a cycle of epi.

1-4 SD 20mg
1-8 liv. 52
1-8 organ shield
5-8 clomid
5-8 erase

Any other recommendations?

I'm thinking about maybe extending the erase for another week or two to catch any delayed gyno. Thoughts?
 
i read somewhere that you're not suppose to use estrogen blockers during pct. blocking estrogen will mess with you're "reset" mode during pct. as soon as you get off erase the estrogen will shoot up and on this point you will be off your SERM. just use clomiphene for your pct and skip erase. i maybe wrong though.
 
He could start erase day 14 of his pct and taper down to one cap like the 5th week of erase then discontinue that way the estrogen won't rebound to dramatically.

Also I read that erase is more similar to aromasin in the sense it is a suicidal AI, where as it doesn't just block the estrogen it destroys it altogether.
 
PITBULL915 said:
Looking into running a cycle of SD for a clean bulk. 23 years old, 5'9" 194lbs approx 13% BF. Past cycle was a cycle of epi.

1-4 SD 20mg
1-8 liv. 52
1-8 organ shield
5-8 clomid
5-8 erase

Any other recommendations?

I'm thinking about maybe extending the erase for another week or two to catch any delayed gyno. Thoughts?
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Dont forget your transaderm on cycle bro. Battles decreased libido, lethargy and will add to gains.
 
PITBULL915 said:
Looking into running a cycle of SD for a clean bulk. 23 years old, 5'9" 194lbs approx 13% BF. Past cycle was a cycle of epi.

1-4 SD 20mg
1-8 liv. 52
1-8 organ shield
5-8 clomid
5-8 erase

Any other recommendations?

I'm thinking about maybe extending the erase for another week or two to catch any delayed gyno. Thoughts?
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Cycle looks good to me. I don't know much about erase, but arimidex or letrozole would work great here too.

The problem is that the 'delayed gyno' and 'leaky nips' is caused by prolactin, and prolactin is caused by a number of things. In no particular order a list of them, and things you can take to combat them:

1. Low dopamine (Mucuna, L-Dopa)
2. High cortisol and insulin (Cortisol blocker, eat clean and no sugar or refined carbs)
3. High estrogen (An AI like letrozole, arimidex, etc)
4. Stimulation of the nips (people always want to pinch them... this is bad because it actually stimulates prolactin production. Don't pinch them.)
6. Low GnRH (AI's or SERM's, synthetic GnRH like triptorelin)

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androsoft said:
i read somewhere that you're not suppose to use estrogen blockers during pct. blocking estrogen will mess with you're "reset" mode during pct. as soon as you get off erase the estrogen will shoot up and on this point you will be off your SERM. just use clomiphene for your pct and skip erase. i maybe wrong though.
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Id say your wrong. Dont mean to be a dick but i see no truth in what your saying. The only way estrogen levels will shoot up after stopping the erase is because serm's raise serum estrogen levels. All serms block estrogen while being on them but elevate serum estrogen.

So if you dont have a AI post serm you could get estrogen rebound. I would start the erase at day 10 during pct. start @ 3 caps ED for 10 days, than drop down to 2 caps ED for 20 days, than 1 cap ED for 15 days. you slowly want to taper down when coming off serm/AI IMO. This dosing should use up the whole bottle, it will also keep cortisol down as well.

Ive never read anything that erase deastroys estrogen, im am not sure how it exactly blocks it either but I know it works. I think you are talking about formestane, it is very similar to aromasin. Pretty much a OTC version of it.
 
gymrat827 said:
Id say your wrong. Dont mean to be a dick but i see no truth in what your saying. The only way estrogen levels will shoot up after stopping the erase is because serm's raise serum estrogen levels. All serms block estrogen while being on them but elevate serum estrogen.

So if you dont have a AI post serm you could get estrogen rebound. I would start the erase at day 10 during pct. start @ 3 caps ED for 10 days, than drop down to 2 caps ED for 20 days, than 1 cap ED for 15 days. you slowly want to taper down when coming off serm/AI IMO. This dosing should use up the whole bottle, it will also keep cortisol down as well.

Ive never read anything that erase deastroys estrogen, im am not sure how it exactly blocks it either but I know it works. I think you are talking about formestane, it is very similar to aromasin. Pretty much a OTC version of it.
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True!
 
PITBULL915 said:
What's the dose and how long would I run transaderm? It's a cream right?
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Yes, you would run it while bein ON, or you could even start it a wk or 2 early. But you wouldnt want to use it during pct. Its more of a gel IMO, each pump is a tiny bit of cream/gel and it rubs on/absorbs fast. It apply it to the tops of my feet, thin skin & good bloodflow there. otherwise shoulders, upper chest/back is where most apply it.

Its a great product, perfect for oral cycles.
 
I taper down on my Erase. I wouldn't say it's as powerful as Aromasin, but it's definitely effective. I'd stay away from letro if at all possible. It's excellent when you already have gyno, but if you don't and you take too much, you can completely suppress your estrogen and you'll feel like utter crap with no sex drive and a sour attitude. A little bit of letro goes a long ways and I believe it's a fairly harsh compound also.

Like gymrat said, start the Erase around day 10-14 of PCT with 3 caps and continue that for 7-10 days, then drop to 2 caps for 14-20 days, then down to 1 cap for 14 days. Don't start it on day 1 along with clomid. You want to have a good couple weeks of being off clomid while running Erase. I highly doubt you'll have any kind of nasty estrogen rebound after that.

Also, I think 8 weeks of clomid is a little long. I'd do something like this:
Days 1-5: 100mgs
The rest of week 1 and clear through week 3: 50mgs
Week 4: 25mgs

I wouldn't run clomid much longer than 4 or 5 weeks. Start your t-booster at the same time as clomid and start Erase in the middle or end of week 2 and finish strong!
 
he wasnt proposing 8wks of clomid, he said wks 5-8, which would be 4 wks. With clomid having a 5 day halflife i would only do 100mg the 1st day of pct.
 
gymrat827 said:
he wasnt proposing 8wks of clomid, he said wks 5-8, which would be 4 wks. With clomid having a 5 day halflife i would only do 100mg the 1st day of pct.
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Right you are. I saw the Organ Shield at weeks 1-8, not the clomid.
 
Thanks for the feedback brothas, I might start a log as well. I got all my products ready to roll. Might start the cycle Monday.
 
I agree that you shouldn't start Erase first day of PCT, I'd start around week 2-3. Correct me if I'm wrong but are the liv52 and organ shield redundant?
 
Diabolik said:
I agree that you shouldn't start Erase first day of PCT, I'd start around week 2-3. Correct me if I'm wrong but are the liv52 and organ shield redundant?
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I wouldn't think so. Completely different profiles and organ shield does more than just provide liver protection.
 
So you don't think organ shield provides enough liver support by itself? I should have phrased my question differently, I was thinking you wouldn't need the liv52 if you had the OS. Just curious because I've only used Cycle Assist and I'm about to run a cycle with Organ Shield this time.
 
Diabolik said:
So you don't think organ shield provides enough liver support by itself? I should have phrased my question differently, I was thinking you wouldn't need the liv52 if you had the OS. Just curious because I've only used Cycle Assist and I'm about to run a cycle with Organ Shield this time.
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Organ Shield will do fine. No harm in running both though.
 
i would start erase 21-28 days into PCT> no need to do it before. even 14 is early, i know from experience doing clomid/daa/erase. i had to buy naother bottle of erase cuz estro got high in week 6-7 and i started erase 14 days in. clomid will stay in your system for awhile so it will cover you for more than 4 weeks. start your estro awhile later.
 
Diabolik said:
Just a little liver reassurance I guess.
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Yea that's exactly what I'm thinking, I've heard horror stories about SD so I'm trying to protect my insides. Then again, my friend ran SD and MLmg like he was popping vitamins. No serm nothing... And he said he didn't feel bad at all, just a little tired towards the end of the 3rd week.
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
i would start erase 21-28 days into PCT> no need to do it before. even 14 is early, i know from experience doing clomid/daa/erase. i had to buy naother bottle of erase cuz estro got high in week 6-7 and i started erase 14 days in. clomid will stay in your system for awhile so it will cover you for more than 4 weeks. start your estro awhile later.
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Thanks for that info, good to know. It's good to hear from experience.
PITBULL915 said:
Yea that's exactly what I'm thinking, I've heard horror stories about SD so I'm trying to protect my insides. Then again, my friend ran SD and MLmg like he was popping vitamins. No serm nothing... And he said he didn't feel bad at all, just a little tired towards the end of the 3rd week.
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If you can afford it then better to be safe than sorry cuz everyone's different. I had a friend that took MonsterPlexx(5 PHs in one) for a first cycle without knowing what it was. He only took some livercare, no SERM, nothing. He lost all his gains but said he felt fine. Knowing what he knows now, I'm positive he wouldn't have done that lol.
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
i would start erase 21-28 days into PCT> no need to do it before. even 14 is early, i know from experience doing clomid/daa/erase. i had to buy naother bottle of erase cuz estro got high in week 6-7 and i started erase 14 days in. clomid will stay in your system for awhile so it will cover you for more than 4 weeks. start your estro awhile later.
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How would you run the DAA? Got some primaforce DAA in that powder form.
 
So if you dont have a AI post serm you could get estrogen rebound. I would start the erase at day 10 during pct. start @ 3 caps ED for 10 days, than drop down to 2 caps ED for 20 days, than 1 cap ED for 15 days. you slowly want to taper down when coming off serm/AI IMO. This dosing should use up the whole bottle, it will also keep cortisol down as well.

Ive never read anything that erase deastroys estrogen, im am not sure how it exactly blocks it either but I know it works. I think you are talking about formestane, it is very similar to aromasin. Pretty much a OTC version of it.[/QUOTE]

Hey GymRat
I'm planning to run SD soon and was planning on running Nolva for PCT would you run Erase the same way with Nolva?
 
Sounds like Erase is not all that great. I understand it works and all but everyone speaks as if there is a chance of rebound which doesnt sound very cool. I guess thats why I like Formestane and Exemestane.
 
gymrat827 said:
for the most part yeah, each cycle will determine the pct.
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I plan on running SD at 10/20/20 (and 20/30 4th week if things going well) with Transaderm for the 3-4 weeks
I was planning on running Nolva 20/20/10/10. along with a test booster ( not sure which one yet) would you incorporate Erase with this run?
 
fueledpassion said:
Sounds like Erase is not all that great. I understand it works and all but everyone speaks as if there is a chance of rebound which doesnt sound very cool. I guess thats why I like Formestane and Exemestane.
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erase isnt a bad AI by any means, i just prefer formestane/forma stanzol
 
WickedMass said:
I plan on running SD at 10/20/20 (and 20/30 4th week if things going well) with Transaderm for the 3-4 weeks
I was planning on running Nolva 20/20/10/10. along with a test booster ( not sure which one yet) would you incorporate Erase with this run?
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I would do:

SD
10/10/20/20
Transderm
6 pumps ED
N2Gaurd


pct

nolva
40/20/10/10
HCGenerate
Forma stanzol 5 pumps am+pm for 6wks, starting day 1 of pct.
DAA
 
gymrat827 said:
I would do:

SD
10/10/20/20
Transderm
6 pumps ED
N2Gaurd


pct

nolva
40/20/10/10
HCGenerate
Forma stanzol 5 pumps am+pm for 6wks, starting day 1 of pct.
DAA
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Sounds good. Lucky for me I have all but the Nolva and HCGenerate already.

Another quick question though? Is there a reason for starting the Forma on day 1and something like erase on day 14 or so? and what about tapering? like Erase does Forma need to be tapered down?
 
Forma has Formestane in it which is a suicidal AI which means it does NOT create a rebound effect. This means u do not need to taper it.
 
ripped_one said:
4. Stimulation of the nips (people always want to pinch them... this is bad because it actually stimulates prolactin production. Don't pinch them.)


I wish someone would sticky this...
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I don't know if that's bro-science - but it really concerns me when Mrs. Honda licks and plays with my nips.

And - sometimes she'll do it, and I always cringe when she does it - thinking about all that prolactin building up in me and killing my gains. My nipples aren't sensitive like hers anyway - it's not like I get any enjoyment out of it the way she does.

Women.
 
HondaV65 said:
I don't know if that's bro-science - but it really concerns me when Mrs. Honda licks and plays with my nips.

And - sometimes she'll do it, and I always cringe when she does it - thinking about all that prolactin building up in me and killing my gains. My nipples aren't sensitive like hers anyway - it's not like I get any enjoyment out of it the way she does.

Women.
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Prolactin doesn't hurt gains haha. And its not broscience.... It's medical science.
 
HondaV65 said:
I don't know if that's bro-science - but it really concerns me when Mrs. Honda licks and plays with my nips.

And - sometimes she'll do it, and I always cringe when she does it - thinking about all that prolactin building up in me and killing my gains. My nipples aren't sensitive like hers anyway - it's not like I get any enjoyment out of it the way she does.

Women.
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HAHA! Loosen up bro! Let her do her thang on em titties, lol. It's really unfortunate that you don't have any sensitivity there too tho. That sucks, lol. My fiance dives straight in for my chest every time, lol. I have to pull her off to keep control.
 
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