Superdrol .... 5mg for 3 weeks results!

sonny4753 said:
HOLY CRAP :stick:

I mean I've smoked my share of pot back in the day, but WOW, I'm floored by the concept.

So do your lungs actually hurt afterwards? I mean inhale a bit of pool water while swimming and that is painful...faaaaaaaaq

I have to imagine that scars the lungs, no?
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i hope this was sarcastic. lol
pots good, muscles are better :bb3:
 
TNASTYII said:
i hope this was sarcastic. lol
pots good, muscles are better :bb3:
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LOL yeah, hence the emoticon with the stick, poking at a piece of lung tissue LOL LOL

I just never heard of that stuff before (parachuting).

Anyway, so does anyone have any input into my original follow up questions regarding the 5 mg MDrol "mini-cycle" as far as pre load supps, PCT supps. Also how many weeks 3 or 4?
 
I would go 4 wks, maybe even 6 at 3 times wkly dosing. Support... well a pre-load might not be needed, other than what you take as usual and I would run Creatine, Glutamine and Whey starting 2nd week and after cycle. I hope that opinion helps!
 
TNASTYII said:
i was just gonna run mine 3 like the op
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Really wish you all the best with this. What time you planning on taking it and working out?

Hoping you'll be dosing it in the morning upon waking when your test is nice and high ;)

Would be interesting to see people experimenting with Test E/prop but with dosages of 25mg to 50mg per week for less then 8 weeks....and If they use 50mg per week for example, to taper down to say 25mg per week the last week or two instead of getting off cold turkey. Maybe tapering test can help with cortisol and estrogen issues and make gains much more keepable?

Any thoughts guys? Reason why test is because its as natural as we'll be able to get being that we produce testosterone, and taking small dosages like these would be more natural considering with what our bodies are able to produce compared to say dosages of 200mg+ per week for example.

Not to mention more steadier gains keep you less prone to injury compared to exploding in size and having your joints/tendons to keep up with all the new tissue growth.

Thoughts/Criticism on this?
 
one month + post 5mg/day SD.

Totally out of PCT. Strength is about the same as the end of cycle. I would say 95% still. I was on vacation for a couple weeks and only was able to get about 50% of my workouts in. I was also on penicillin for seven days due to a tooth that was pulled.

so overall after my PCT the results are:

Strength = 95% of what is was while "on."
Weight = -2 lbs from the high while "on."


looking forward to hear results from others who try this. I think it is much safer and more conducive to long term results and muscle gain retention.
 
StanChampion said:
one month + post 5mg/day SD.

Totally out of PCT. Strength is about the same as the end of cycle. I would say 95% still. I was on vacation for a couple weeks and only was able to get about 50% of my workouts in. I was also on penicillin for seven days due to a tooth that was pulled.

so overall after my PCT the results are:

Strength = 95% of what is was while "on."
Weight = -2 lbs from the high while "on."


looking forward to hear results from others who try this. I think it is much safer and more conducive to long term results and muscle gain retention.
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nice. i started mine today. i bet if you didnt go on vacation you would still be 100 percent strength. im looking foward to the results! and the -2 lbs could be anything. didnt you say you gained 2lbs in pct anyways?
 
TNASTYII said:
nice. i started mine today. i bet if you didnt go on vacation you would still be 100 percent strength. im looking foward to the results! and the -2 lbs could be anything. didnt you say you gained 2lbs in pct anyways?
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Awesome man, are you keeping a log? If not can you post updates from time to time here?
 
Phera could be interesting because it's usually more of a "feel good" hormone.

I for one much prefer something other than 4wk cycles. Generally 6-8wks+ w/ conservative dosing, considering something like a 2wk on/ 2wk off approach though.
 
Burner said:
Awesome man, are you keeping a log? If not can you post updates from time to time here?
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sure. ill post weight gain every week. i started at 208.4lbs. im hoping i can get and keep 7lbs like the op. im runnin mdrol. plan is 5/5/5 but i might want to go for 4 weeks. idk yet. any suggestions? cause ive heard mixed things. some people like 3, and some 4
 
TNASTYII said:
sure. ill post weight gain every week. i started at 208.4lbs. im hoping i can get and keep 7lbs like the op. im runnin mdrol. plan is 5/5/5 but i might want to go for 4 weeks. idk yet. any suggestions? cause ive heard mixed things. some people like 3, and some 4
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From all that i have read 3 weeks seems to be best all around for gains vs sides with the "normal" dosing. What i like about this low dose idea is not only minimizing sides (liver enzymes, lipids, etc) but the possible elimination of hard shutdown, thus retaining your gains much more easily. However, i dont believe there is any blood work to back any of this up, so its all speculation at this point. 7 lean pounds is awesome for 3 weeks, especially if there is minimal to no shutdown involved. Me personally i would just stick with 3 weeks, but 4 probably wouldn't be bad.
 
TNASTYII said:
sure. ill post weight gain every week. i started at 208.4lbs. im hoping i can get and keep 7lbs like the op. im runnin mdrol. plan is 5/5/5 but i might want to go for 4 weeks. idk yet. any suggestions? cause ive heard mixed things. some people like 3, and some 4
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Best thing to do bro would be to see how your body feels after week 2, when your getting into your 3rd week see how you feel, and keep an eye on any signs of supression and to what degree (if any) your suppressed on week 3, if you feel good, maybe extend it to 4 weeks?

See how you feel, listen to your body :)
 
WilteredFire said:
Best thing to do bro would be to see how your body feels after week 2, when your getting into your 3rd week see how you feel, and keep an eye on any signs of supression and to what degree (if any) your suppressed on week 3, if you feel good, maybe extend it to 4 weeks?

See how you feel, listen to your body :)
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yea. im prob gonna go 4 though. im already over 200 to start with. i dont think its gonna be too harsh. today was day 4. i did back. i got a pretty good pump in my lower back...which i LOVE. ill weigh myself this coming sunday

Edit: noticing increased sex drive too
 
Okay, so earlier in the thread some one posted that low dose epi would raise LH. Who came to this conclusion? Is there any evidence (blood work) to support this claim. If it's increasing your LH production, wouldn't that raise your testosterone?
 
b5s402 said:
Ive been doing 10mg epi after awakening for 1.5 weeks so far..
previous 2 cycles epi and phera, regular dosed 4 wks w/ serm pct
i workout within a couple hours after taking it
ive noticed an increased pump/ longer lasting pump
seems like nutrient partitioning of my body is better as i can see muscles holding more glycogen while having less water retention on top of the muscle (abs appear more cut)
im transitioning from a cut w/ low carb to a recomp w/ carbs (timed/controlled) so the epi seems to be keeping fat at bay while loading up the muscles..
because of this transition i cant comment on weight b/c i was fully depleted not long ago and introducing carbs meant weight gain so i will not attribute this to epi..
ive also noticed..
-beard is growing faster than usual
-increased sex drive
-better mood
-sweating more than usual
notes
ive been taking cycle support before bed to alleviate any liver harm
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Thanks for the info, that sounds very promishing. How long do you plan to stay at this dosing and what are you planning for PCT?
 
1 week update on my cycle. i started at 208.4 last sunday. todays weight was 209.4 so a 1lbs gain so far( pants are not tighter, actually less tight then when i started). i gave in and decided to run it 5/10/? idk what im going to do the last week. i might go 5/10/5 like someone suggested to me. or i might just finish out with 10. strength was way up from last weeks workout though. theres going to be some muscle memory going on because im coming off a long break. but my seated db press went up 10lbs on each db with the same reps from last week. i didnt think it would do that but it did. im back up to were i use to be on db press before my long break. got a great pump in my tris today also. ( i do shoulders and tris together). ill update next sunday. im expecting some weight this week
no sides...and libido is juuust fine!
 
b5s402 said:
I plan on staying on untill i feel any sort of shutting down,shrinkage,lethargy
Also if i begin to see enlarged lymph nodes (last epi cycle at the end) i will top as well cause my immune system was in the gutter..
Its all variable and dependent on how i feel..
also i have several test boosters and nolva along with clen, but again depending on how shutdown i am or the sides ill experience will determine pct..
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how are you dosing and are you taking days off?
 
StanChampion said:
Thanks guys :)

Yea, I like these lil mini cycles. I think over the long term they might be better. I believe my sides have been kept to minimal levels. When I did 20mg of SD before I exploded in size and by the third week I was feeling somewhat lethargic and my joints were hurting.

For PCT I have some nolva on hand, but it old and I am not planning on using it. I am going to use some of that Diesel TTE along with DS Rebound reloaded and some DTH that I have.

each day:
2 DTH
1 TTE
1 DS RR
extra fish oil caps (50% more than my normal daily dosage)
30 extra grams of calcium caseinate before bed.

If I feel the need I will up the DTH and TTE. I am trying to use smaller dosages on purpose.
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Hey, would kind of training routine do you guys do when on PCT, after your PH cycle, do you just go into a maintenance style training whilst running your Pct?
 
hell no, I usually try to go bigger but with a little more recovery time in between the muscle group. I pick up calories as well as try to stay on the same weight. helps in keeping my gains.
 
this thread was a good read i give you guys that, but i disagree with not needing a SERM after SD. SD even at 10mg by week 4 or even 3 you natural production is going to be very low. Nolva should deff be used if not atleast Clomid. Natural boosters will not work. You may feel like you have next to no shut down but remember you just did a STEROID not a pro hormone so your balls took a 4 week vacation my friend. I am not flamming you and I myslef have more to learn but PCT is required but OTC stuff is not good enough. Doing 2 weeks of test at 200mg per week shows all natural test production down to zero. I am about to do a short cycle my self. I front loaded for 5 weeks Test E @ 300mg per week and i am about to throw in some SD for 3 weeks at 20mg if i go to 4 weeks i will bump to 30 for the fourth.. but enough of what i am doing. I just really recomend doing at least clomid after any short-long cycle of SD
 
SD 4x more anabolic as methyl test and 0.2 androgenic
epistane 11x as anabolic and 1x as androgenic as methyl test
both are already active compounds no conversion needed
 
SadMac said:
this thread was a good read i give you guys that, but i disagree with not needing a SERM after SD. SD even at 10mg by week 4 or even 3 you natural production is going to be very low. Nolva should deff be used if not atleast Clomid. Natural boosters will not work. You may feel like you have next to no shut down but remember you just did a STEROID not a pro hormone so your balls took a 4 week vacation my friend. I am not flamming you and I myslef have more to learn but PCT is required but OTC stuff is not good enough. Doing 2 weeks of test at 200mg per week shows all natural test production down to zero. I am about to do a short cycle my self. I front loaded for 5 weeks Test E @ 300mg per week and i am about to throw in some SD for 3 weeks at 20mg if i go to 4 weeks i will bump to 30 for the fourth.. but enough of what i am doing. I just really recomend doing at least clomid after any short-long cycle of SD
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Dude, have you ever done 30 mg of MDrol? I did a pulse a year ago and I weigh about 20 lbs more than you, and I ended up miscounting and stuck with 30 mgs for 2 weeks on just M - W - F, fk'd me up. I didn't do it intentionally, I just miscounted, but I was like eh what's the big deal I'm 6' 210...big issues.

Here are the side effects experienced:

- Pale stool (I knew I had a serious problem and stopped that day at week 3.5)
- BP going through the roof (mine is ALWAYS 110/60 and my hr never goes above 150 unless I'm doing suicide drills)
- anxiety attacks (had to sit down in a CVS and try and dislodge my heart from my throat LOL, couldn't breath, tight chest whole nine yards)
- super lethargic (napped 2 hours each day)
- shutdown (boys were GONE)
- had a few moments of hypolgyemic shock (cold sweats, can't think, weak in the knees...)

That was only on a pulse.

I took 10 mg upon waking up, 10 mg at 10 AM and 10 mg at 2 PM.

Just my 2 cents, not flaming or anything, just be careful this stuff is potent.
 
wow man all those side, thats crazy. I quess thats why we dont recomend SD for noobs. I hope I dnt get really bad sides. the most i am expecting to get is back pumps. i had surgery a few months ago and they had to put a tube in my left kidney to my bladder cause i had a collapsed Euteror and there were 4 stones stuck too.. Ouch!! but I think heavy doses of bananans and water should help though. I see a lot on this site that ppl like doing small cycles of SD as aposed to the standard 4 week but at a really low dose. I wouldnt think you would get much off 10 mg a day 20 mg maybe depending on diet. i think 20 and upping to 30mg will be sweet during week 4
 
SadMac said:
wow man all those side, thats crazy. I quess thats why we dont recomend SD for noobs. I hope I dnt get really bad sides. the most i am expecting to get is back pumps. i had surgery a few months ago and they had to put a tube in my left kidney to my bladder cause i had a collapsed Euteror and there were 4 stones stuck too.. Ouch!! but I think heavy doses of bananans and water should help though. I see a lot on this site that ppl like doing small cycles of SD as aposed to the standard 4 week but at a really low dose. I wouldnt think you would get much off 10 mg a day 20 mg maybe depending on diet. i think 20 and upping to 30mg will be sweet during week 4
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Hey, wait a minute guy! Unless you're terminal I would'nt be thinking about any cycles until 24 months after surgery. JMO
 
I'm really glad I found this thread on low dose mini cycles... Been thinking that for a while now. Really interested in the low phera mini... the more info the better. How r u doing Piston? And TNASTY where you been? Keep us updated.
As with that surgery, ya man I wouldn't hit up anything that will throw off you values for a longgg while, it takes longer than you think for your body to adjust to additions then you think... Take it from someone in the medical field...
Any info on mini phera cycle appreciated

MM
 
Bulk said:
Hey, would kind of training routine do you guys do when on PCT, after your PH cycle, do you just go into a maintenance style training whilst running your Pct?
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I train the EXACT same way on cycle as off. If I get run down, I will take a day off and up my protein intake.
 
^wow.thats just for 3 weeks of 10mg epi a day and your 23?i wanna see some bloodwork for the 3 weeks 5mg sd,or the low dose hdrol
 
b5s402 said:
update** got bloodwork
b/c of leg hair falling out--worried me!
3 weeks of epi 10mg on wakening.. got bloodwork 1 week later
total test was 156 ng/dl thats pretty much shut-down for a 23 yr old, range (270–1,080)
im getting more bloodwork in 2 weeks see how fast it improves
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wow thanks for that even tho you dont know your base numbers prior.

waiting on the updates....
 
b5s402 said:
update** got bloodwork
b/c of leg hair falling out--worried me!
3 weeks of epi 10mg on wakening.. got bloodwork 1 week later
total test was 156 ng/dl thats pretty much shut-down for a 23 yr old, range (270–1,080)
im getting more bloodwork in 2 weeks see how fast it improves
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Thank you for posting this.

How long ago was your last cycle?
 
Just making sure you didn't come off a different cycle a month before this one.

I think it's now safe to assume that 10mg EPI/day will cause shutdown. Thanks again for posting your test results.
 
i am trying to gain 8lbs lbm and up some of my maxes about 30lbs a piece.. i am going to be starting a superdrol cycle soon ..i have 300mg total.. i have 3 ways i can run this and i was looking on input on which cycle should theoretically help me keep mygains the best..
10 10 20
10 10 10 10
5 5 5 off 5 5 5
i am debating the last 2 since they are longer with less substance, should be easier to maintain correct?

any help is appreciated.. i have done one real prior cycle before.. that was epistane worked up to 50mg for the final week!!
any input appreciated
 
bigzach1234 said:
i am trying to gain 8lbs lbm and up some of my maxes about 30lbs a piece.. i am going to be starting a superdrol cycle soon ..i have 300mg total.. i have 3 ways i can run this and i was looking on input on which cycle should theoretically help me keep mygains the best..
10 10 20
10 10 10 10
5 5 5 off 5 5 5
i am debating the last 2 since they are longer with less substance, should be easier to maintain correct?

any help is appreciated.. i have done one real prior cycle before.. that was epistane worked up to 50mg for the final week!!
any input appreciated
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I'd say if it's your first time or you gain well of 10mg super, just do that and if you gains slow down the third week increase the dose to 20, but if you keep gaining at 10, keep it at that for 4.
 
b5s402 said:
update** got bloodwork
b/c of leg hair falling out--worried me!
3 weeks of epi 10mg on wakening.. got bloodwork 1 week later
total test was 156 ng/dl thats pretty much shut-down for a 23 yr old, range (270–1,080)
im getting more bloodwork in 2 weeks see how fast it improves
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How do you feel now that your not taking the epi? Maybe your test was already lower than normal for a 23 yr old before you started taking the epi, it's kind of hard to call any judgment without baseline numbers before the epi. Was epi at 10mg noticeable, any gains?
 
b5s402 said:
Had my 2nd blood test on friday.. should have the results tomorrow morning

keep in mind that after the 3 weeks epi at 10/morning.. my 3 week pct so far has been nothing additional except 500mg vit. c e/d as prescribed by the doc

ive noticed increased leg hair where it was getting patchy and also comments of darker eyebrows and beard/head hair, hair still thinning e/d in shower along w/ sudden severe dandruff (got prescription shampoos from doc)

edit** test went up from 156 to 216, t3 went up from 89 to 105
is there anything to boost total test? all the test booster blood tests i see just raise free test and even lower lower total test!
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No PCT?
 
b5s402 said:
theoretically the cycle was not supposed to shut u down b/c it was 10mg epi every morning on wakening..
im pretty close to my doc, known him my whole life, and because the 1st blood test showd low test, i didnt run anything hormonal b/c my doc needed another blood test to show natural improvements and then after that would have determined what course to take to boost my levels..

because he saw improvement in this test he now wants another test in another 2 weeks to see if it improves more..

there shouldnt be too much freaking out b/c my test was still around 150, although tooo low, it was not between 0 and 10 as many peoples are after a cycle.. One blood test i saw showd a level of 6 total test on a range from 270-1070...those would be shutdown

on another note i still take zma every night and did add vit. C as doc. ordered..

please dont think its b/c i dont have the resources that i didnt run a full blown pct, because i could have. i got nolva,6 oxo,atd,pcs, and activate extreme... on hand, but because i am getting my blood levels monitored regularly by a concerned doc, im not going to use anything that might affect my levels to somewhat confuse the doc (for example the one blood test i saw for activate extreme which lowered total test by 70 points '510 to 440' but made free test increase 10 points making it too high for the recommended range..
think about the docs position, one day low total test, the next blood test shows even lower total test, a too high free test, and too low shbg... he definitely would be scratching his head as something like this the body does not do naturally

now my previous question was if there is anything that is proven by blood tests to raise total test and not decrease it while increasing free test(6 oxo and activate extreme-i saw the blood tests)

trib might be a candidate as it supposedly helps increase total test from low levels to normal levels (not making normal levels higher than normal) without effecting shbg and estrogen.. what do u guys think?
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just so I'm certain I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that ActivaTe Xtreme lowers total test while increasing free test? I haven't heard that previously...really interesting if that's true. Are you also claiming that 6-oxo exerts similar properties? Doesn't really make sense as an AI is supposed to cause an increase in natural test production by disabling the aromatase enzyme's conversion of test to estrogen thus causing the body's feedback mechanism to increase test production.
 
So it's been almost three months since the last post.

Has anyone else tried this? I'm thinking it might be a pretty neat idea to try. I have 4 of the pre-ban SD bottles just sitting here unopened.

I'd love to make this into a liquid for easier dosing, but I guess taking a cap apart once every two days isn't bad!
 
The Booger said:
So it's been almost three months since the last post.

Has anyone else tried this? I'm thinking it might be a pretty neat idea to try. I have 4 of the pre-ban SD bottles just sitting here unopened.

I'd love to make this into a liquid for easier dosing, but I guess taking a cap apart once every two days isn't bad!
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It is super easy. I just open the cap and used on half one day and the other the next. I would just dump the powder into my morning shake.

I am thinking about re-running this in the very near future as I have several bottles of DS's SD. :nervous:
 
Nice thread! I am new to the mini cycles but love the concept. I have some SD to use so I was thinking:

W1 10 mg of SD per day
W2 10 mg of SD per day
W3 10 mg of SD per day
W4 AI plus nolvadex-xt (Gasparis)
W5 AI plus nolvadex-xt (Gasparis)

W6 10 mg of SD per day
W7 10 mg of SD per day
W8 10 mg of SD per day
W9 AI plus nolvadex-xt (Gasparis)
W10 AI plus nolvadex-xt (Gasparis)

I will take the SD in the AM pre work out.

I do have some 1-T, and 4 AD but don't know if I should add them to the mix?
Please critique my plan! Thanks in advance!
 
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