Clearly you didn't read my post then and it'd be better off using DMZ or Msten solo format matter the brand because then he can get a proper dosage compared to sdmz 2.0 he might aswell run Msten because it's at 20mgs in sdmz but 20mg of DMZ is not worth it , would you stack two methyls of one is basically doing nothing ? Ya wouldn't think so either . Please don't try and bash when obviously there have been given better options , and there should be no need to explain if one is educated on prohormones