Super 11 or Epi Andro for cutting?

maxdarsinos

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as the title states, which of those two PH's is best suited for cutting for a 8week long cycle?
as for pct would i be ok with just nolva 20/20/20/10?

i am 150 pounds and 14% bf, planning to drop it around 10%

thanks for your time
 
i ve got no problem in staying natural, i just wanted to try out a ph cycle for that something more in my looks. mostly for cutting and gaining a hard look. maybe a nolvadren xt from man sports is a good alternative?
 
maxdarsinos said:
i ve got no problem in staying natural, i just wanted to try out a ph cycle for that something more in my looks. mostly for cutting and gaining a hard look. maybe a nolvadren xt from man sports is a good alternative?
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Both are great for cutting. I give the edge for fatloss to Super 11. Epi would produce better hardness and vascularity, and excellent at recomposition. They would also make a great stack together. I think your age is a more important factor to consider than your weight.
 
maxdarsinos said:
sure i forgot to mention it. i am 29 y old.
i plan to buy only one of those two due to high cost.
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That is totally fine. Either one makes a perfect beginner cycle. I would lean towards Epi as its more androgenic, thus more strength, hardness, and alpha aggression. S11 is tad bit more mild. You really can't make a wrong choice between those two options for that goal.
 
maxdarsinos said:
Can i use something to prevent this? Proviron? Or something else to stack?
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Likely not needed. It should increase libido at first. Libido loss may or may not occur near the end depending on how suppressed you get. Each individual is different. Personally, on Epi solo I've always had heightened libido and never suffered a drop.
 
maxdarsinos said:
what will super 1 give me? dosages? do i need on cycle support with that stack?
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330 mg daily for 8 weeks is a good beginning dose. Cycle support is optional but not a bad idea at all given two PH's that will affect other health markers than just liver.

Sup3r 1 Characteristics:

•Non-Methylated/Non-Liver Toxic (Doesn’t require liver support such as TUDCA or NAC)
•Dry Compound/Non-Aromatizing (Won’t convert estrogen nor cause water retention or bloating)
•Increases Size/Muscle Mass (Increased Nitrogen Retention)
•Increases Recovery
•Increases Strength
•Reduces Body Fat
•Excellent for Bulking/Recomping/Cutting
•Excellent Stacker
 
Use both bro they're both very mild you most likely won't get any side effects (I dont) and if you continue the way you ate and trained on cycle with a proper pct you'll probably keep all of your gains
 
If you can get sup3r-11 I highly recommend it. It's tough to come by in the US though. SOS sell me your S11
 
i live in greece and i order supps from the UK. they have sup3r 11 but i dont really know...i was mostly into Epi. Should i stack Epi with sup3r 11? i am afraid its gonna be very costly
 
I haven't run them together but solo I prefer S11 to epi. Like people say though, it's different for everyone
 
i want to try sup3r 11 too but it seems a bit weird going dermal. its a good dose though. did you see strength gains or increased libido with super 11?
 
Just grab some sup3r 1 and epi from nutriverse man great price and you should be able to recomp on a slight defect sup3r 11 is pricey now
 
maxdarsinos said:
i want to try sup3r 11 too but it seems a bit weird going dermal. its a good dose though. did you see strength gains or increased libido with super 11?
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I saw strength gains and had an increased libido. Kept all of my strength gains but the best part was dramatically increased fat loss
 
I am doing super epi elite 1000mg per day. Day 40. Everything is great. For cutting. No sides at the moment. Very happy with the progress.
 
Super 11 as in 11 oxo? If so just stick with that. I've used it in the past and got fantastic results 300 mg a day and a clean diet and I was the most shredded I had ever been. It was my first pH cycle and I didn't suffer any shutdown. I've also used epi andro and found it to be very mild especially for the price. If youre gonna risk shutdown go hard imo and epi andro isn't worth it.
 
Jebrook said:
Both are great for cutting. I give the edge for fatloss to Super 11. Epi would produce better hardness and vascularity, and excellent at recomposition. They would also make a great stack together. I think your age is a more important factor to consider than your weight.
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sorry to hijack thread....but does a an osta cycle at 15mg for 8 weeks, super-11 at 375mg 8 weeks, and super epi at 500mg for the last 4 weeks require support supps?

thanks!
 
1kerry said:
sorry to hijack thread....but does a an osta cycle at 15mg for 8 weeks, super-11 at 375mg 8 weeks, and super epi at 500mg for the last 4 weeks require support supps?

thanks!
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Prolly not needed for your liver but definitely a good idea to protect your other organs. And 2 mild ph's and a SARM will still likely affect the liver values a little. I wouldn't bother with TUDCA but KIngsGuard or Arimacare would be great.
 
Jebrook said:
Prolly not needed for your liver but definitely a good idea to protect your other organs. And 2 mild ph's and a SARM will still likely affect the liver values a little. I wouldn't bother with TUDCA but KB or Arimacare would be great.
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OHH THANKS for your fast answer, what you mean by KB?
 
Jebrook said:
Kingsblood. Its OL's best cycle support. Arimacare Pro is our other. It's a hair cheaper and damn near as awesome too.
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I thought Kings Guard is for cycle support and Kings Blood is for PCT?
I am using KG for cycle support and KB for PCT. Please correct me i am doing it wrong.
Thanks in advance. I am loyal supporter for both products.
 
JAMES1980 said:
I thought Kings Guard is for cycle support and Kings Blood is for PCT?
I am using KG for cycle support and KB for PCT. Please correct me i am doing it wrong.
Thanks in advance. I am loyal supporter for both products.
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Dammit! I did it again! Yes, you are right. I meant KingsGuard. Lol. I promise I was tired last night and not drunk.
 
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