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Sup3r epi Sup3r 1 stack (after 3 weeks of ostarine)

MrManlet said:
Thanks xtyler . You think doing two 500 mg doses is better than splitting the two am and pm? Just worried about keeping my levels even. I'm on day ten, waiting for the epi to kick in any day now.
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Don't overthink it. Twice a day is fine and allows you to avoid the night time overstimulation.
 
Day 12 today, still very subtle results. Maybe some increased endurance. Thinking about adding 7keto to this what do you guys think? Or should I save save for a solo cycle. I've read reports of 7keto being non suppressive then others saying it lowers test
 
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two weeks in on the epiandro, 10 days in on the 1 andro. Nothing besides back pumps and some endurance to date. I might be seeing some change in the shape of my shoulders/traps which I think means it should be kicking in anyway now cuz I know the shoulders/traps have the most androgen receptors so change faster then the rest of the body
 
Well guys today's day 16 on epi and 12 on andro and well, I just thought I'd add that after today's workout, my watch doesn't fit on my wrist anymore! It was a comfortable fit where it didn't slide or anything before this cycle and well now I gotta get it adjusted! lol glycogen retention much?
 
Just wanted to ask, anyone else get extremely sore forearm pumps while working out on this cycle? I found it hard to hit my back today as my forearms were sooo pumped!
 
MrManlet said:
Day 20 gentlemen, should the epi be kicking in any day now? Tomorrow marks 3 weeks
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I noticed it week 3. How's the scale look? I'm 4 weeks in and I'm up 7 pounds. Wast line is down a tiny bit. Definately putting muscle on my upper frame.
 
I was 206 after 4 weeks of ostarine, im sitting at about 210 rn, might of noticed some more Leanness in my abdominals but I've also really dialed in my diet, besides a cheat day here or there
 
Don't mind the weight in my profile that was from 2015 I believe and I'm waaaay out of shape rn. Visceral fat
 
I'm 28 days in and feeling great, huge strength increases, body weight is up about 10lbs as of today. All my clothes are fitting much tighter and getting many compliments.

You should be starting to reap the benefits right now. Makes me want to plan my next cycle already!!!
 
Good to hear brother! It truly is an addiction haha, heading to the gym now on day 21 hoping I notice something in the next few days. I've already upped 1andro to 440 so hoping that helps as well
 
MrManlet said:
Good to hear brother! It truly is an addiction haha, heading to the gym now on day 21 hoping I notice something in the next few days. I've already upped 1andro to 440 so hoping that helps as well
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Don't expect massive size increase if you stay at maintenance calories tho. Recomp, yes.
 
Day 22, starting to notice better mind-muscle connection.. I really feel everything contract and then squeeze and release everything
 
Debating now adding msten to the last 4 weeks of this cycle, what's your guys thoughts on this? Maybe save msten for another cycle or would it stack well? I was thinking it would blow the 1 andro out of the water and make taking 1 andro pointless
 
MrManlet said:
Debating now adding msten to the last 4 weeks of this cycle, what's your guys thoughts on this? Maybe save msten for another cycle or would it stack well? I was thinking it would blow the 1 andro out of the water and make taking 1 andro pointless
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Not a fan of this idea. Adding one of the strongest and most toxic designers to a very user-friendly stack is kinda pointless IMO.
I'd either use something heavy and deal with the sides or run something "mild" and enjoy the slow and steady gains.
 
Youre right Tyler I was thinking the same thing. Would make the last twenty one days of loading 1 andro pointless
 
Take 1-Andro, alone, during a low calorie diet, cut, does it make sense?
220mg per day for 6 weeks, cycle for a beginner!
Does this all make sense? Can results?
Thank you, sorry if I used your discussion ;)
 
You might wanna start at 330mg and see where that goes, as that's the lowest effective dose really studied
 
As a first cycle I suppose 220 would work, but like I said you can't really find studies on 220mg so I can't really tell you how good your gains are going to be, maybe someone else can chime in here and recommend something for you but again IMO 220mg will yield minimal results
 
Day 25, not much noticed yet. I hope I didn't already see the most of this cycle yet, I'm only on day 21 of the andro so I know that didn't really kick yet but should be any day now!

Edit: mind you I have noticed some recomp effects and better definition in my shoulders/chest/traps, but not much of an "alpha" feeling yet in or out of the gym
 
Can someone shed some light on why maybe I'm getting stronger but not getting an alpha feeling and still lethargic even on 1000 to 1250mg of epi? At this point I can't even tell if my strength gain is just from my good diet and lifting regimen over the past 3 weeks, plus my weight hasn't moved much lately
 
I'm not so much alpha feeling in the gym but I have noticed muscle hardness and strength gains.
I still do my normal gym ritual, precarbs&proteins and preworkout caffene, and I feel pretty good in the gym. Are you taking 4 andro with this stack? That might be the cause of lethargy
 
No I'm just on 1 andro/epiandro and very lethargic in the gym even with preworkout, so I tried upping epiandro but to no avail
 
MrManlet said:
No I'm just on 1 andro/epiandro and very lethargic in the gym even with preworkout, so I tried upping epiandro but to no avail
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That's wierd. I'm on 1 and epi and lethargy has not been an issue for me at all. The body reacts differently person to person. Do you get enough vit c, d, a on a daily basis?
 
MrManlet said:
Can someone shed some light on why maybe I'm getting stronger but not getting an alpha feeling and still lethargic even on 1000 to 1250mg of epi? At this point I can't even tell if my strength gain is just from my good diet and lifting regimen over the past 3 weeks, plus my weight hasn't moved much lately
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I keep on reading about this lack of "alpha feeling" and I really dunno whay you actually expect. In the past I've used some wicked stuff at high doses and never felt ANYTHING. Mental sides are not a given.
Yours is a super dry stack, if you were looking for mere weight gain then this is not the best option. This stack gives relatively small (all lean) gains rather than put 15lbs of water on your frame. That being said, size gains = caloric surplus from clean, easy to digest nutrient dense food.

MrManlet said:
Also, I've not noticed much in sides such as prostate swelling or anything of the like
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With pretty much zero estrogens in your system you shouldn't. Never judge compounds by side effects also
 
xtyler said:
I keep on reading about this lack of "alpha feeling" and I really dunno whay you actually expect. In the past I've used some wicked stuff at high doses and never felt ANYTHING. Mental sides are not a given.
Yours is a super dry stack, if you were looking for mere weight gain then this is not the best option. This stack gives relatively small (all lean) gains rather than put 15lbs of water on your frame. That being said, size gains = caloric surplus from clean, easy to digest nutrient dense food.



With pretty much zero estrogens in your system you shouldn't. Never judge compounds by side effects also
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the huge... it is you?
 
And just thought I'd add I've gotten this alpha male mentality on epiandro before but at a lower dose. I've gotten it with straight test before too
 
xtyler said:
I keep on reading about this lack of "alpha feeling" and I really dunno whay you actually expect. In the past I've used some wicked stuff at high doses and never felt ANYTHING. Mental sides are not a given.
Yours is a super dry stack, if you were looking for mere weight gain then this is not the best option. This stack gives relatively small (all lean) gains rather than put 15lbs of water on your frame. That being said, size gains = caloric surplus from clean, easy to digest nutrient dense food.



With pretty much zero estrogens in your system you shouldn't. Never judge compounds by side effects also
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Agree. I am more concern on making gains instead of hunting for the "alpha feeling".
 
I am on 1000 mg epi andro. Day 40. I got no alpha or beta feeling. I am leaner, harder and enjoy the cycle very much.

My focus is train, eat and sleep. I am very happy with my progress. Is that an alpha feeling?
 
By alpha feeling I'm referring to this feeling of taking on everything with no problem! Like the world just got lighter and you walk around on your tip toes cuz you feel so light and strong lol
 
MrManlet said:
By alpha feeling I'm referring to this feeling of taking on everything with no problem! Like the world just got lighter and you walk around on your tip toes cuz you feel so light and strong lol
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Haha, i cant get the alpha feeling even i was on Sus+Deca+Dbol. I dont think that 1 andro plus epi andro will give you that "out of this world" feel ?
 
Yea maybe my expectation is just a little high for this stack. I swear I got it before tho! But I guess not all cycles are alike. Either way I suppose I'm happy as my strength is definitely up compared to 3 weeks ago, I just think I MIGHT of been able to make the gains so far naturally, but I know my andros have just kicked in so I'll ride this out and see what happens :D
 
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MrManlet said:
Yea maybe my expectation is just a little high for this stack. I swear I got it before tho! But I guess not all cycles are alike. Either way I suppose I'm happy as my strength is definitely up compared to 3 weeks ago, I just think I MIGHT of been able to make the gains so far naturally, but I know my andros have just kicked in so I'll ride this out and see what happens :D
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Agree. Sometimes our body reacts differently at different time even with the same compound.
 
So, theoretically... if someone was to add in msten to this cycle, which he may or may not already bought, would epiandro and arimistane suffice to combat possible gyno?
 
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