BCseacow83
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I mean I just apply, it dries, I wash my hands and thats the last i think about it.
SUP3R DHEA Q&A
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I mean I just apply, it dries, I wash my hands and thats the last i think about it.
Jebrook
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Not really. Trest shuts down test production almost completely, so supplementing with DHEA isn't going to increase test levels, although DHEA is used to make many other important hormones. The Trest functions in place of test in regards to alpha feeling, libido, and energy levels. I'd save the Super DHEA as base for a different run.
Jebrook
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I agree, but we do heed the concerns of our many customers. On that note, I started beta testing Sup3r DHEA with a new carrier today
. I'll elaborate more soon but I think many will be happy with the upgrade.
BCseacow83
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I agree, but we do heed the concerns of our many customers. On that note, I started beta testing Sup3r DHEA with a new carrier today
And I do appreciate that. I would agree that something thicker that you could cover a greater area with before it dries would be advantageous. I personally like dermacrine but found the volume to be too much at a higher dose. Somewhere in the middle would be perfect. So I assume the carrier is the same as your other TD's and it is the herbal actives that are changing the physical properties of super dhea?
rtmilburn
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No all OL transdermals are runny
GNO
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I disagree...DSU & S-11 were not in my experience.
BCseacow83
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Jebrook
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The new carrier is very similar to the S11 consistency. It is still viscous enough to spread very thin and dry just as fast as before. The actives are also much more in suspension. The carrier has a greenish tint versus the pea soup it looked like before. I'm pretty satisfied with the upgrade. I'll post some pics of it later.
BCseacow83
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Hopped on that got 4 coming.
Nac
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At that bogo price grabbed some too.
Incidentally, measured 2 of the bottles already in my stash. Both bang on 120ml. Cut open the bottle though cos there was a decent bit of flaky residue still at the bottom. Mixed it all up and we good to go.
Jebrook
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Here's a pic of the new version. I've been using 2 weeks 1-2 times daily and zero clogging or mishaps with the pump. It does tend to leak 1 drop on the counter sometimes but not always. If I make sure the nozzle is drained back a bit then I don't have that problem. I'll grab a pic later to show the consistency and color better. Like I said, it is a much improved carrier.
Here's a pic of the new version. I've been using 2 weeks 1-2 times daily and zero clogging or mishaps with the pump. It does tend to leak 1 drop on the counter sometimes but not always. If I make sure the nozzle is drained back a bit then I don't have that problem. I'll grab a pic later to show the consistency and color better. Like I said, it is a much improved carrier
.Romie425
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I've never used your dhea before. I've stuck to using dermacrine because I saw all the negative feedback on your old version but now that BPS is no longer making it and you guys upgraded carriers, I'm about to go balls deep! Have you guys heard anything about transdermals possibly being banned?? The guys over at BPS claim that's why they decided to discontinue their transdermals.
Jebrook
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Not sure on this. When I find out I'll post it up in here.
Jebrook
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TD's are kinda under scrutiny and taking heat from the FDA currently but we're not getting out of the TD game just yet.
The_Old_Guy
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Is there anything posted by them online, that we can look at in regards to TDs? Or is this just a letter here or there with nothing official up on a .gov site or anything?
I just started using the v1 Super-DHEA since my doc drew some blood for my TRT level check yesterday, and I'm pretty sure he's done messing around. I didn't F around - I went straight to Walmart and bought an 8-Pack of these little, square, BPA Free, Zip-Loc containers. The DHEA and 11-KT fit perfectly and it's easy to draw with a 1ml Syringe. 11-KT is fine, but that DHEA is like water - I'd go to shake it to mix, and it would spray out all over. I should buy some more with that deal though - trying to decide if TD or Sublingual is how I want to go.
Romie425
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Yeah I'm not exactly sure. I just spoke to them via pm and that's what they hinted at. They felt as though it was inevitable. Oh well, I'm proud to say you guys have customer for life if your product is half as good as theirs was. I've used your pro hormones in the past ( before the ban ) with great results! Only reason I switched to dermacrine was because as I get older, I'm more concerned about my lipid levels so it seemed like a safer choice. Plus it takes me 20 minutes to piss whenever I'm on cycle! Lol
Jebrook
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Here's a pic of the new version. I've been using 2 weeks 1-2 times daily and zero clogging or mishaps with the pump. It does tend to leak 1 drop on the counter sometimes but not always. If I make sure the nozzle is drained back a bit then I don't have that problem. I'll grab a pic later to show the consistency and color better. Like I said, it is a much improved carrier
As you can see the solution is much improved. The consistency is still very fluid but not as watery as before. If you pump it on to your traps/top of shoulders it will sit there until you spread it. It will run down your chest or arms if applied there, giving time to spread it out properly before it dries. Unless you're hammering the pump, it will not spray out in a mess.
BloodManor
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Great work ^^
Been using the old one still and it runs down my body. Been squirting it directly to shoulders and traps and rubbing it quickly before it runs down my back
Been using the old one still and it runs down my body. Been squirting it directly to shoulders and traps and rubbing it quickly before it runs down my back
The_Old_Guy
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I'm only using 0.5ml because I can't see needing more than 25mg DHEA - especially trans-dermal. With that little amount, even the old one works great - tiny bit in the cup of my hand, one neck/trap/shoulder, dries really quick. As long as you transfer it to another container and use a syringe - I'm fine with it. Bought 2 +2 BOGO of the old one. At 25mg/day - should last years
Nac
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Id be inclined to do exactly the same if the preg:dhea were more 1:1. But yeah for that discounted bogo price you can comfortably treat this as a dhea-only product should you wish.
Cipriani
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We know that transdermal DHEA applied to the scrotum leads to direct conversion to DHT...
But there are some questions in my mind that makes me very curious about the details of this kind of transdermal application site.
I searched very intensely via google but found nothing yet that points towards my searchings.
Lets assume if someone wants to be that only DHT is elevated and puts transdermal DHEA on the scrotum:
1.Does it converts mg to mg directly 100% to DHT via 5ar?
Example:
25mg DHEA=>scrotal application=>25mg DHT
2.How much mg of DHEA can be applied there (scrotum) at once?
3.The maximum application dose on scrotum per day?
4.The half life of scrotal applicated DHEA?
5.And the halflife of DHEA when applied to the shoulders or traps?
If some expert knows studies about this or has the knowledge,i would be very glad to know about it.
But there are some questions in my mind that makes me very curious about the details of this kind of transdermal application site.
I searched very intensely via google but found nothing yet that points towards my searchings.
Lets assume if someone wants to be that only DHT is elevated and puts transdermal DHEA on the scrotum:
1.Does it converts mg to mg directly 100% to DHT via 5ar?
Example:
25mg DHEA=>scrotal application=>25mg DHT
2.How much mg of DHEA can be applied there (scrotum) at once?
3.The maximum application dose on scrotum per day?
4.The half life of scrotal applicated DHEA?
5.And the halflife of DHEA when applied to the shoulders or traps?
If some expert knows studies about this or has the knowledge,i would be very glad to know about it.
solidsnake
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I don't know but I've had Td tren on my b0llocks and it Burnt like hell.. and no I didn't apply it direct, it rubbed off my inner thighs 
BCseacow83
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I can almost guarantee that no one will know this as I believe the answers is currently scientifically unknown.
The_Old_Guy
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Cipriani
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Bro,this is the pathway of DHEA if someone applies it transdermally or takes it orally.
The conversion largely depends on the specific enzymes that someone has in specific areas.
Example:
DHEA taken orally would do pretty much nothing noticably because of its low bioavailability of 3% and the lack of enzymes that are in the stomach,therefore the vast majority of it will convert to estrogens,a small amount will be only androgens,this is why orally taken DHEA is useless.
Applied to the abdomen it would convert to female hormones because of the estrogen receptors and lack of 5a-reductase or 3b-hsd or 17b-hsd.
But if someone puts it to the shoulders it gets coverted to a bunch of other different steroids such as:
Androstenedione
Androstenediol
Testosterone
Androsterone
Dihydrotestosterone
Estrogen
The conversion happens differently with the individual presence of enzymes in the shoulder/neck area such as 3b-hsd,17b-hsd or 5a-reductase.
But here comes the interesting part...
When applied to the scrotum/penis DHEA must be convert to DHT its is one and only choice because scrotum/penis has only 5a-reductase enzymes in that area,the enzyme 5a-reductase converts DHEA directly into DHT without the need of other enzyme pathways.
This is why the lack of 5a-reductase in males in the mothers womb leads to undeveloped male genitals they have no scrotum and penis but a female p*ssy and a micropenis with testicles inside of them instead because of the 5a-reductase deficiency,if someone has high 5a-enzymes they have also elevated Dihydrotestosterone levels too,and vice versa.
Therefore thanks to 5a-reductase if someone puts transdermal DHEA to the sack/penis it is literally to be FORCED to covert to DHT when applied there as a transdermal solution.
The conversion largely depends on the specific enzymes that someone has in specific areas.
Example:
DHEA taken orally would do pretty much nothing noticably because of its low bioavailability of 3% and the lack of enzymes that are in the stomach,therefore the vast majority of it will convert to estrogens,a small amount will be only androgens,this is why orally taken DHEA is useless.
Applied to the abdomen it would convert to female hormones because of the estrogen receptors and lack of 5a-reductase or 3b-hsd or 17b-hsd.
But if someone puts it to the shoulders it gets coverted to a bunch of other different steroids such as:
Androstenedione
Androstenediol
Testosterone
Androsterone
Dihydrotestosterone
Estrogen
The conversion happens differently with the individual presence of enzymes in the shoulder/neck area such as 3b-hsd,17b-hsd or 5a-reductase.
But here comes the interesting part...
When applied to the scrotum/penis DHEA must be convert to DHT its is one and only choice because scrotum/penis has only 5a-reductase enzymes in that area,the enzyme 5a-reductase converts DHEA directly into DHT without the need of other enzyme pathways.
This is why the lack of 5a-reductase in males in the mothers womb leads to undeveloped male genitals they have no scrotum and penis but a female p*ssy and a micropenis with testicles inside of them instead because of the 5a-reductase deficiency,if someone has high 5a-enzymes they have also elevated Dihydrotestosterone levels too,and vice versa.
Therefore thanks to 5a-reductase if someone puts transdermal DHEA to the sack/penis it is literally to be FORCED to covert to DHT when applied there as a transdermal solution.
Cipriani
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What ive written about DHEA is 100% correct,the oral trt prescribed DHEA from endos is complete bullsh*t and its aint doing sh*t for testosterone enhancement at that administration way(orally)...
And yes its quite possible that they want to sell extra of an AI to make more profit from the ill people that suffers,its the greedy pharmaindusty behind this cheekiness that made billions of profit like this.
Here is a pic to the mentioned pathway of DHEA to DHT:
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And yes its quite possible that they want to sell extra of an AI to make more profit from the ill people that suffers,its the greedy pharmaindusty behind this cheekiness that made billions of profit like this.
Here is a pic to the mentioned pathway of DHEA to DHT:
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BlockBuilder
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Thank god for this dermacrine replacement since they decided to discontinue their product
Nac
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I wasnt saying that endos were prescribing oral dhea as the primary compound in trt; rather, they prescribe dhea as an adjunct to exogenous testosterone (gel, or inj). Exogenous test will tend to supress/inhibit dhea production, right? Also, many guys who end up on trt are 'older' and have naturally declining levels of dhea.
My point: oral dhea may not be the optimal route of administration, but it tends to be sufficient in restoring physiological levels of dhea/-s, and improving low dhea/-s symptoms.
If you or anyone wishes to rub TD dhea on your ballsacks, have at it. But, there is no current evidence that this tactic will ultimately prove to have superior outcomes compared to applying the TD to your chest/traps/etc.
Jebrook
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Yes, this is fine. Just apply and let it air dry really well prior to the exercise. Give it a minimum 40-45 minutes before starting intense physical activity. I would apply 1/2 of your daily dose in the am and the other half in the second half of the day:bigok:
The_Old_Guy
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I did a Google Image search on your diagram:
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Same study on PubMed: Invalid Link Removed
Did you get your image from that study? (there's some slight differences). If so, I'll let other, smarter people chime in, but that is a *very* specific situation described, and probably isn't representative of your average, healthy, "Bro" using topical DHEA (and I don't see any mention TD application to the Testes?). And to make your earlier statement correct, you would need an arrow directly from DHEA to DHT - not even your diagram shows that. And this says nothing about how rubbing it on your Scrotum somehow does something different than rubbing on your Traps, like Nac said - TD is to avoid the Liver First Pass, getting directly into the blood (Sub-Lingual as well) - from there, it goes everywhere.
Here's the best info available on TD DHEA - but not on the nutsack, LOL:
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If you have any showing application to the Scrotum, much less a different outcome - I'm all ears (eyes)
Cipriani
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Well,bro...
Im not here to argue about a fact that is well known by me and many people in practical ways,even there are no direct studies that done TD DHEA application on the scrotum,im here to share some practical knowledge and asked if you all know about this fact at a very friendly manner,please more respect towards me.
And yes you cannot find studies that apply TD DHEA to the nutsack to increase DHT because they do not want it to do for some reasons,but its without doubt a right claim of mine that it converts to DHT directly because as i earlier mentioned...i will mark this words this time to make it easy to understand, its very important:
#There are only 5a-reductase enzymes at the scrotal and penile skin that forces DHEA to convert to DHT even if it is not done directly but it does happen(it must).#
Even in this forum of anabolicminds.com and other bunch of different forums i did read that people apply it to the nutsack and they say that it works fine to increase DHT.
I cannot post linksright now,just search with google for "rs transaderm scrotum"
And no the source for the picture that i posted is not the study same that you mentioned:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3262939/#!po=39.2857
Here is an artice about the 5a-reductase enzyme pathways of the DHEA to DHT conversion with studies included:
anabolicapex.com / Dihydrotestosterone to the Apex – 50 Ways to Increase DHT Naturally
Here is an another one article that claims for the direct conversion of DHEA to DHT when applied to the scrotum:
Elitefitness.com/articles/testosterone-gel-scrotum
And yes,i have myself some very solid experiance for years with TD DHEA applying to the scrotum and penis and im fine by the way and all i can say its f*ck*ng awesome for DHT enhancement its waaaay better than applying the stuff to the shoulders/traps or chest...i can literally feel the DHT rush very intensely and very protruding.
Applied the TD DHEA at 12,5mg to the scrotum and penile skin is equivalent to applying 25mg to the the shoulder/traps or chest.
The effects of DHT are noticeable within a few minutes applying it to the scrotum as follows: better mood,well being,more confidence,seriousness,euphoric,calmness,increased strength,increased pain tolerance,mentally stronger etc. all signs of DHT rushing in my blood.
Im not here to argue about a fact that is well known by me and many people in practical ways,even there are no direct studies that done TD DHEA application on the scrotum,im here to share some practical knowledge and asked if you all know about this fact at a very friendly manner,please more respect towards me.
And yes you cannot find studies that apply TD DHEA to the nutsack to increase DHT because they do not want it to do for some reasons,but its without doubt a right claim of mine that it converts to DHT directly because as i earlier mentioned...i will mark this words this time to make it easy to understand, its very important:
#There are only 5a-reductase enzymes at the scrotal and penile skin that forces DHEA to convert to DHT even if it is not done directly but it does happen(it must).#
Even in this forum of anabolicminds.com and other bunch of different forums i did read that people apply it to the nutsack and they say that it works fine to increase DHT.
I cannot post linksright now,just search with google for "rs transaderm scrotum"
And no the source for the picture that i posted is not the study same that you mentioned:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3262939/#!po=39.2857
Here is an artice about the 5a-reductase enzyme pathways of the DHEA to DHT conversion with studies included:
anabolicapex.com / Dihydrotestosterone to the Apex – 50 Ways to Increase DHT Naturally
Here is an another one article that claims for the direct conversion of DHEA to DHT when applied to the scrotum:
Elitefitness.com/articles/testosterone-gel-scrotum
And yes,i have myself some very solid experiance for years with TD DHEA applying to the scrotum and penis and im fine by the way and all i can say its f*ck*ng awesome for DHT enhancement its waaaay better than applying the stuff to the shoulders/traps or chest...i can literally feel the DHT rush very intensely and very protruding.
Applied the TD DHEA at 12,5mg to the scrotum and penile skin is equivalent to applying 25mg to the the shoulder/traps or chest.
The effects of DHT are noticeable within a few minutes applying it to the scrotum as follows: better mood,well being,more confidence,seriousness,euphoric,calmness,increased strength,increased pain tolerance,mentally stronger etc. all signs of DHT rushing in my blood.
max silver
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This is a very interesting discussion. My concern with utilizing the product actually being discussed in this thread in such a manner as applying to the scrotum area is the large amount actives other than just DHEA contained within. Who knows how these other substances would react when applied to the scrotum.
GNO
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Bingo. Don't eff with your boys, boys!
The_Old_Guy
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Well Bro,
I read all your data and links, and I'm still not convinced.
This: Invalid Link Removed is a blog post written by a "Marcel". Ok, - there is some good info in there, but it's still a "regular dude" (from what I can tell) aggregating a bunch of stuff from across the web - may be accurate, may not be.
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And my links are from one of the researchers in your link, so this "wing and a prayer" DHEA >5aAD>DHT Scrotal magic has only been demonstrated In Vitro:
And yours:
She's just referencing her work on the In Vitro study. And like I said earlier, that stuff is WAY muy complicado - but my reading of it leads me to believe that this DHEA>5aAD>DHT is a mutation that occurs, once all Androgens are deprived in the body, and it occurs in the tumor. And I'm still not seeing any reference to TD DHEA application to the Scrotum, with enzymes that only exist there, converting to DHT - in the studies you are using as evidence? Someone else can read those links and tell me if I'm wrong, which I may be.
So like I said earlier, this is WAY out in left field, compared to "Healthy, Youngish, Male Bodybuilder Rubs TD DHEA On"
But I don't want to keep going back and forth on this, so let me ask: Have you ever run bloodwork for DHT, after using TD DHEA on Traps/Shoulders/Neck, and again after applying to Scrotum, with markedly different levels? Has anyone else that you could link to their blood work results? Because this all sounds like a supplement sales ad, where fish, swimming down stream from a paper mill, had less Estrogen - so we have a new AI for humans to swallow.
But I'll change my mind with enough evidence - I just haven't seen enough yet. It's not a "respect" thing, it's an accuracy thing.
Woody
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Just curious, how can you argue something is a fact and essentially follow that up with but there's no direct evidence?
Cipriani
New member
Depending on my own practical experiance of this kind of administration i can swear for the effects of scrotal applicated TD DHEA,its bomb compared to regular use to the shoulder/chest or traps application,its much better in my opinion.
Like i before mentioned,after applying it scrotally i feel the DHT effects of this type of use very pronounced and very satisfying.
Libido is through the roof,its not normal,its scary...i feel like a pornstar on it.LOL.
Even if i find some girl ugly im anyways keen on her or on any girl - a typical sign of abnormally increased DHT levels.
Strength is awesome,made very good gains,broke my plateous.
Mentally the effects are very satisfying... if someone have depression or anything else similar, its pure gold.
I took once Mesterolone (Provirone) a pure DHT compount at 100mg dose ed and it feels mentally exact same like the scrotal applicated TD DHEA at 25mg dose.
Im in love with this kind of administration and prefer it to the normal way,im firmly convinced and fascinated by that kind of use.
The picture both shows that the scrotal/penile area is dihydrotestosterone dependent and 5a-reductase rich.
There was a writing i saw at raypeatforums.com that even non scrotal/penile applicated DHEA can convert to DHT to 40-60% till 18mg via the 5a-reductase enzyme and more than 18mg of DHEA should aromatize if applied transdermally at normal ways of TD administration without an AI.
raypeatforum.com/community/threads/bioavailability-androgenicity-and-estrogenicity-of-dhea.7522/
Even if it is not convert directly into DHT, it does happen.
And i can confirm it towards my own experiance,its very obvious that it does.
Anybody can try it out and compare the effects mg per mg if they like.
In my opinion 12,5mg applicated to scrotum feels much better than 25mg even 50mg of TD DHEA applicated to the shoulders or traps,but 50mg is close to that.
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Like i before mentioned,after applying it scrotally i feel the DHT effects of this type of use very pronounced and very satisfying.
Libido is through the roof,its not normal,its scary...i feel like a pornstar on it.LOL.
Even if i find some girl ugly im anyways keen on her or on any girl - a typical sign of abnormally increased DHT levels.
Strength is awesome,made very good gains,broke my plateous.
Mentally the effects are very satisfying... if someone have depression or anything else similar, its pure gold.
I took once Mesterolone (Provirone) a pure DHT compount at 100mg dose ed and it feels mentally exact same like the scrotal applicated TD DHEA at 25mg dose.
Im in love with this kind of administration and prefer it to the normal way,im firmly convinced and fascinated by that kind of use.
The picture both shows that the scrotal/penile area is dihydrotestosterone dependent and 5a-reductase rich.
There was a writing i saw at raypeatforums.com that even non scrotal/penile applicated DHEA can convert to DHT to 40-60% till 18mg via the 5a-reductase enzyme and more than 18mg of DHEA should aromatize if applied transdermally at normal ways of TD administration without an AI.
raypeatforum.com/community/threads/bioavailability-androgenicity-and-estrogenicity-of-dhea.7522/
Even if it is not convert directly into DHT, it does happen.
And i can confirm it towards my own experiance,its very obvious that it does.
Anybody can try it out and compare the effects mg per mg if they like.
In my opinion 12,5mg applicated to scrotum feels much better than 25mg even 50mg of TD DHEA applicated to the shoulders or traps,but 50mg is close to that.
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medinacirilo
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I rubbed half a pump on my sack about an hour ago. I gotta say it's a whole different beast! Longer "bro" study to come
Nac
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No burning? Lol I figured with the alcohol content youd get some discomfort.
The_Old_Guy
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Acute effects after 1 application, 1 hour after? That's wild.
medinacirilo
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medinacirilo
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About 15-20 minutes in I felt the usual feels, but WAY more pronounced! "Fight or ****" was the best I could describe it! Wife wasn't home (shopping with the kids) I almost called her to accuse of cheating on me! Natural energy rush, and increased body heat. Felt some definite aggression, but it mellowed out after about 30 minutes. Then I got that mellow, positive "alpha" vibe and had good energy for the rest of the night! It just felt much stronger then applied on shoulders
About 15-20 minutes in I felt the usual feels, but WAY more pronounced! "Fight or ****" was the best I could describe it! Wife wasn't home (shopping with the kids) I almost called her to accuse of cheating on me! Natural energy rush, and increased body heat. Felt some definite aggression, but it mellowed out after about 30 minutes. Then I got that mellow, positive "alpha" vibe and had good energy for the rest of the night! It just felt much stronger then applied on shoulders
The_Old_Guy
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You should get blood work done, that's better than 1000mg of Epiandrosterone.
Cipriani
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If anyone wonders which side effects i had from the scrotally applicated TD DHEA usage:
High Aggression
Extremely high Libido(almost like a town rapist LOL)
Acne on chest and back
Oily skin
More thirsty
More appetite
Skin irritations(sometimes,but rarely)
High Energy(it depends on the perspective)
Less patiency
Ruthlessness
Violent activity(like fighting)
Weird dreams
Socially isolation(not always,rarely if i was in bad mood)
High Ego like Kanye West(good or bad,idk?)LOL
There is a risk of cross contamination with other persons if the area was not washed down with clear water.
High Aggression
Extremely high Libido(almost like a town rapist LOL)
Acne on chest and back
Oily skin
More thirsty
More appetite
Skin irritations(sometimes,but rarely)
High Energy(it depends on the perspective)
Less patiency
Ruthlessness
Violent activity(like fighting)
Weird dreams
Socially isolation(not always,rarely if i was in bad mood)
High Ego like Kanye West(good or bad,idk?)LOL
There is a risk of cross contamination with other persons if the area was not washed down with clear water.