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chzcake01 said:
any more updates? i bought some for future use.
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I'm still waiting to hear back from Lynks8. On a side note I have added 20ml of hand sanitize and continued to heat it in scalding hour water and it's looking a lot better!
Not perfect but definitely better!

@Lynks if you don't get any answers other than my hacking,can you find out what temperature will harm the active ingredient? I don't want to ruin it by overheating it.
 
Br1ck_Sh1thouse

Hey, I am EXTREMELY sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I mentioned your issue to the team and thought someone with more expertise on it would notice this thread. I didn't actually link them to the thread. In retrospect, this was a woefully insufficient plan for resolving your issue. I intended to check back soon, but some things in my personal life got in the way, (intense interview process for a new job that required traveling to other parts of the country).

There is no excuse for such poor customer service. I truly apologize.

1. I have sent an email directly to the owner and should have a response within 24 hours.

2. As a way of further apologizing, please PM me your shipping info so I can send you a free bottle of Sup3r-11 from my personal stash.
 
Lynks8 said:
Br1ck_Sh1thouse

Hey, I am EXTREMELY sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I mentioned your issue to the team and thought someone with more expertise on it would notice this thread. I didn't actually link them to the thread. In retrospect, this was a woefully insufficient plan for resolving your issue. I intended to check back soon, but some things in my personal life got in the way, (intense interview process for a new job that required traveling to other parts of the country).

There is no excuse for such poor customer service. I truly apologize.

1. I have sent an email directly to the owner and should have a response within 24 hours.

2. As a way of further apologizing, please PM me your shipping info so I can send you a free bottle of Sup3r-11 from my personal stash.
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Lynks8
No worries man and no need to rob from your personal stash! I fully understand. If there's a dusty bottle kicking around at HQ then I'll send you my address otherwise just keep me in mind if guys need a guinea pig for stuff that's in development. I will gladly volunteer myself for science!

The only thing I need to know at this point is what temperature will damage the 11kt? Is boiling water too high?
I managed to get it fully incorporated at 200 degrees mixed with some sanitizer, I'm just hoping I didn't ruin it?
 
Br1ck_Sh1thouse said:
Lynks8
No worries man and no need to rob from your personal stash! I fully understand. If there's a dusty bottle kicking around at HQ then I'll send you my address otherwise just keep me in mind if guys need a guinea pig for stuff that's in development. I will gladly volunteer myself for science!

The only thing I need to know at this point is what temperature will damage the 11kt? Is boiling water too high?
I managed to get it fully incorporated at 200 degrees mixed with some sanitizer, I'm just hoping I didn't ruin it?
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The melting point of (pure) 11-KT is 186-187 *C (366.8 - 368.6 *F) @ standard atmospheric pressure.

I can't speak to how all of the other ingredients (terpenes/other penetrant enhancers/etc.) will hold up at high temperatures. Just remember you are heating all of them, not just the 11-KT. It might make sense to check the chemical structure of all of the ingredients in the bottle (via pubchem or chemguide or other), and then assess the individual melting points for each. You may create some unwanted by-products if you heat a substance too far beyond it's melting point..

Honestly, OUK 11-KT is not very grainy at all compared to some of their other TDs. TransForm was extremely grainy but it worked just fine. Good luck with your journey...although I don't believe you are going to make much of a positive difference in the effectiveness of the product. I believe there are too many other variables in the bottle.

In the case of their Super-DHEA product (which had too much active per ml of carrier), adding hand sanitizer to the mixture worked quite well for me. It allowed me to spread the product over a larger area of skin and thus enhance absorption. I don't think the 11-KT is over-saturated with the amount of active per ml it has, so you would not see the same benefit. Having said that, adding an ethyl alcohol-based hand sanitizer solution will not hurt the product at all, and at the same time should allow for coverage over a greater area of skin.
 
Toren said:
The melting point of (pure) 11-KT is 186-187 *C (366.8 - 368.6 *F) @ standard atmospheric pressure.

I can't speak to how all of the other ingredients (terpenes/other penetrant enhancers/etc.) will hold up at high temperatures. Just remember you are heating all of them, not just the 11-KT. It might make sense to check the chemical structure of all of the ingredients in the bottle (via pubchem or chemguide or other), and then assess the individual melting points for each. You may create some unwanted by-products if you heat a substance too far beyond it's melting point..

Honestly, OUK 11-KT is not very grainy at all compared to some of their other TDs. TransForm was extremely grainy but it worked just fine. Good luck with your journey...although I don't believe you are going to make much of a positive difference in the effectiveness of the product. I believe there are too many other variables in the bottle.

In the case of their Super-DHEA product (which had too much active per ml of carrier), adding hand sanitizer to the mixture worked quite well for me. It allowed me to spread the product over a larger area of skin and thus enhance absorption. I don't think the 11-KT is over-saturated with the amount of active per ml it has, so you would not see the same benefit. Having said that, adding an ethyl alcohol-based hand sanitizer solution will not hurt the product at all, and at the same time should allow for coverage over a greater area of skin.
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Thanks for such an informative answer, that confirms most of my thoughts.

The point I'm at now is that every couple of days I need to reheat it in a water bath because the crystals start to form again. After 30 min of heating they're gone.
 
Transform was quite grainy... gritty really. Did seem to work fine, made your skin look sortve glittery, you could look close and see crystal looking shards all over the applied area.
 
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