SUB Q, best Ester?

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So I'm looking into doing Sub q pins for my next cycle.. from what I understand, I can pin into any piece of fat.. so my stomach for example.
If I were to SUB Q EOD or even a few times a week.. which esters are the best for this form.. I've seen some youtubers say they use Test E.. a longer acting ester, and then their Cypionate a shorter-acting ester.. does it really make a difference for sub q? And then I also had a thought.. if I were to say pin Test EOD.. and I'm pinning HCG EOD.. could I in theory draw HCG and Test into the same pin, and do both at the same time into my stomach fat?
 
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The more volume you pin SUBQ... greater the risks of problems. I wouldn’t pin more than .4ml subq at once.. some do .5 but more than that you’re asking for problems. In all honestly idk why you wouldn’t do it IM but doing a CYCLE subq is a stupid idea. If you’re scared of the big needle don’t do steroids.
 

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The more volume you pin SUBQ... greater the risks of problems. I wouldn’t pin more than .4ml subq at once.. some do .5 but more than that you’re asking for problems. In all honestly idk why you wouldn’t do it IM but doing a CYCLE subq is a stupid idea. If you’re scared of the big needle don’t do steroids.
Thanks for the reply, if anyone else has any others.. would love to hear. To reply to your response though, for one, studies have been done to show optimal blood levels, in general, better for your own health when doing SUB Q, since the test levels are more optimal with no crazy peaks.. so it's not a matter of being scared of a needle, it's the fact of it being better for you. I did IM shots,, had no issues about the needle, but scaring is real, and damage will occur. In the next coming years, Sub Q will become more relevant, and eventually, people will say the opposite of what you're saying, that IM is a stupid idea.
 
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Thanks for the reply, if anyone else has any others.. would love to hear. To reply to your response though, for one, studies have been done to show optimal blood levels, in general, better for your own health when doing SUB Q, since the test levels are more optimal with no crazy peaks.. so it's not a matter of being scared of a needle, it's the fact of it being better for you. I did IM shots,, had no issues about the needle, but scaring is real, and damage will occur. In the next coming years, Sub Q will become more relevant, and eventually, people will say the opposite of what you're saying, that IM is a stupid idea.
Do you think pinning 500mg of test weekly will suddenly become more healthy because it’s subq? Post your studies here. Subq reaches a better absorption thats ALL. if you pin IM daily or every other day you’ll have very stable blood levels. Absolutely nobody that’s experimented in steroids will tell you they inject their CYCLES subq.. that’s silly.. absolutely silly. Do people see benefits in injecting their trt or low cruise dose subq? Absolutely. Debatable... possible. It’s typical for people to be looking for validation of your idea... if anyone tells you injecting a whole cycle subq is a good idea run away from them, they’re morons. I’ll be waiting for all your studies please.
 
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Thanks for the reply, if anyone else has any others.. would love to hear. To reply to your response though, for one, studies have been done to show optimal blood levels, in general, better for your own health when doing SUB Q, since the test levels are more optimal with no crazy peaks.. so it's not a matter of being scared of a needle, it's the fact of it being better for you. I did IM shots,, had no issues about the needle, but scaring is real, and damage will occur. In the next coming years, Sub Q will become more relevant, and eventually, people will say the opposite of what you're saying, that IM is a stupid idea.
So how would a bodybuilder injecting let’s say... 750mg test, 600 npp and 400 eq... subq? That’s about 10 ML of oils a week. Since I wouldn’t inject more than .5ml at once subq that means it’s 20 injections a week subq. Ideally if you don’t wanna risks getting in trouble you don’t wanna go over .3 .4... which makes it about 25 injections a week. You’d be pinning day in day out?
 

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So how would a bodybuilder injecting let’s say... 750mg test, 600 npp and 400 eq... subq? That’s about 10 ML of oils a week. Since I wouldn’t inject more than .5ml at once subq that means it’s 20 injections a week subq. Ideally if you don’t wanna risks getting in trouble you don’t wanna go over .3 .4... which makes it about 25 injections a week. You’d be pinning day in day out?

Sorry for HRT its the way, but your right for blasting big doses no.. but for me, whos just doing 500mg a week, its possible right? That should of been in my first question. so in theory.. i could do .25ml 2x a week which would get me at 500mg a week of test E correct? And while I have your attention.. wondering if you'll know the answer, but say I stay on Test E and do not get off.. if I take HCG EOD.. will my sperm count still be ok for having children, or do I have to get off Test?
 
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Sorry for HRT its the way, but your right for blasting big doses no.. but for me, whos just doing 500mg a week, its possible right? That should of been in my first question. so in theory.. i could do .25ml 2x a week which would get me at 500mg a week of test E correct? And while I have your attention.. wondering if you'll know the answer, but say I stay on Test E and do not get off.. if I take HCG EOD.. will my sperm count still be ok for having children, or do I have to get off Test?
You might want to recheck your math, brother.

In order for 2 pins of .25ml to equal 500mg a week, your Test would have to be 1,000mg per ml. (Which is impossible)
 
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Hey bro, you seem to suggest that test e is a long ester and test cyp is short? They are basically the same 7-9 day ish half life). Test prop is the short ester normally used.

i agree with @Mathb33 in that I wouldn’t pin my blasts sub q. I do pin my 0.5ml or less cruise dose (test cyp) sub q and although I’ve seen some of the studies and am aware trt clinics are starting to move to sub q but main reason is simply to avoid building up scar tissue (which happens on a blast).

you can do it but more than .5ml and you get big lumps. You can pin more frequently to get round that I guess but that’s a lot of pinning, that gets old real quick. On a blast I’m already sticking hgh and or various peptides daily. Honestly I just wouldn’t want to be adding more pins that needed and in terms of effectiveness I really doubt you’ll see a difference sub q to IM.

I’m not sure why you’d bother mixing hcg with the test? It’s a small amount 2x a week. I couldn’t be bothered getting both in the same pin (would need to backload a slin pin really). Just stick it separate imo.

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Hey bro, you seem to suggest that test e is a long ester and test cyp is short? They are basically the same 7-9 day ish half life). Test prop is the short ester normally used.

i agree with @Mathb33 in that I wouldn’t pin my blasts sub q. I do pin my 0.5ml or less cruise dose (test cyp) sub q and although I’ve seen some of the studies and am aware trt clinics are starting to move to sub q but main reason is simply to avoid building up scar tissue (which happens on a blast).

you can do it but more than .5ml and you get big lumps. You can pin more frequently to get round that I guess but that’s a lot of pinning, that gets old real quick. On a blast I’m already sticking hgh and or various peptides daily. Honestly I just wouldn’t want to be adding more pins that needed and in terms of effectiveness I really doubt you’ll see a difference sub q to IM.

I’m not sure why you’d bother mixing hcg with the test? It’s a small amount 2x a week. I couldn’t be bothered getting both in the same pin (would need to backload a slin pin really). Just stick it separate imo.

hope that helps
I was thinking if I did 3x a week, 150mg per sub q shot. For 450 a week. With each pin, I would include the HCG. a video I recently watched showed him doing it twice a week for 250mg of test. But I was thinking I could do 3x a week. Which would be .5ml. because 1ml is 300mg of test e 300. Does this make sense ?
 

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OP, don’t do steroids.
Already did my first cycle no problem. Just cause I'm mixing up a few things doesn't mean I don't double count or double check after the fact.

You're acting like im pulling this information out of my ass. I'm always basing my questions of documented cases. For example this is where my original question stemmed from, perhaps watch the video before making unwarranted remarks.
 

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Already did my first cycle no problem. Just cause I'm mixing up a few things doesn't mean I don't double count or double check after the fact.

You're acting like im pulling this information out of my ass. I'm always basing my questions of documented cases. For example this is where my original question stemmed from, perhaps watch the video before making unwarranted remarks.
That guy’s an idiot, don’t follow anything he says. Rethink your cycle, ask questions and listen to what others more experienced say. What you have in mind right now is not a good cycle.
 

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That guy’s an idiot, don’t follow anything he says. Rethink your cycle, ask questions and listen to what others more experienced say. What you have in mind right now is not a good cycle.
Can you tell what's wrong about the cycle I'm trying to do? If I do 500 test e per week, can't I just split that into 3-4 shots sub q per week?
 

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Can you tell what's wrong about the cycle I'm trying to do? If I do 500 test e per week, can't I just split that into 3-4 shots sub q per week?
You can do what ever you want, most here say you shouldn’t but whatever.
 
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Can you tell what's wrong about the cycle I'm trying to do? If I do 500 test e per week, can't I just split that into 3-4 shots sub q per week?
Sure you can why the hell did you even come here to ask if your idea was already made up? This psychological pattern always surprises me... people come on forums with their mind already made up, they ask a question but will deny any response that’s not THE response they are looking for as validation. Go ahead and be a weirdo and do a cycle subq lol it’ll work just fine if that’s what you want to know. You’ll probably end up with lumps from time to time but they’ll go away. Enjoy your cycle.
 
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I saw an Anabolic Doc video one time that said it’s safer and more beneficial to inject your test E rectally. Much more stable blood levels and no estrogen conversion. But it only works with Test E not other esters.
 
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Sure you can why the hell did you even come here to ask if your idea was already made up? This psychological pattern always surprises me... people come on forums with their mind already made up, they ask a question but will deny any response that’s not THE response they are looking for as validation. Go ahead and be a weirdo and do a cycle subq lol it’ll work just fine if that’s what you want to know. You’ll probably end up with lumps from time to time but they’ll go away. Enjoy your cycle.
There really should be a separate section for this.

Something like:

"I'm not looking for truth, only answer if you agree with what I WANT to be true" ___ Section
 

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Sure you can why the hell did you even come here to ask if your idea was already made up? This psychological pattern always surprises me... people come on forums with their mind already made up, they ask a question but will deny any response that’s not THE response they are looking for as validation. Go ahead and be a weirdo and do a cycle subq lol it’ll work just fine if that’s what you want to know. You’ll probably end up with lumps from time to time but they’ll go away. Enjoy your cycle.
Sorry I wasn't looking to be sided with.. if anything I was just seeing if its something that doesn't work. If lumps are all I really have to worry about then its nbd to me. thank you for the words sir
 
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I changed my TRT from IM to SubQ and my Test Numbers went up, so I am a believer !!
 
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So I'm looking into doing Sub q pins for my next cycle.. from what I understand, I can pin into any piece of fat.. so my stomach for example.
If I were to SUB Q EOD or even a few times a week.. which esters are the best for this form.. I've seen some youtubers say they use Test E.. a longer acting ester, and then their Cypionate a shorter-acting ester.. does it really make a difference for sub q? And then I also had a thought.. if I were to say pin Test EOD.. and I'm pinning HCG EOD.. could I in theory draw HCG and Test into the same pin, and do both at the same time into my stomach fat?
Subcutaneous is rubbish, injecting oil (fat) into fatty tissue intentionally is a meme and all you guys are just asking for trouble. If you want your "numbers to go higher" or "be more stable" then up the dose or shoot more frequently.
 
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Subcutaneous is rubbish, injecting oil (fat) into fatty tissue intentionally is a meme and all you guys are just asking for trouble. If you want your "numbers to go higher" or "be more stable" then up the dose or shoot more frequently.
What trouble are we asking for when using a Dr. prescribed TRT dose ?
 
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Do you think this would be a problem even at .5ml ?
Personally, I am so vehemently anti-subq due to a hematoma from 0.5 ml of pharmaceutical testosterone cypionate.

Usually folks opt to go subcutaneous because they aren't fond of pinning, so let me tell you, draining that sucker with an 18g was NOT fun.

To each their own but personally Id rather have a little muscle stiffness than ever risk dealing with that again.
 

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