Still Bloated after Aromasin (with blood work)

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You’re so entitled to your opinion and you basically seem to know 100% what’s
Your issue yet you can’t fix it so maybe you’re wrong? you should consider what others are saying.
EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion. I think you meant to say "assured". I AM taking into consideration what others are saying. Hyde suggested dropping finasteride, which I agree with because it's an antiandrogen and may be contributing or the cause of my problems. Hyde also suggested cycling an AI and taking Proviron, which I am doing now. I simply disagree with Hyde that this may be my new normal weight because it's not normal to have estrogen levels that are DOUBLE what they should be and the estrogen is likely what is causing my excessive water retention.
 
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EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion. I think you meant to say "assured". I AM taking into consideration what others are saying. Hyde suggested dropping finasteride, which I agree with because it's an antiandrogen and may be contributing or the cause of my problems. Hyde also suggested cycling an AI and taking Proviron, which I am doing now. I simply disagree with Hyde that this may be my new normal weight because it's not normal to have estrogen levels that are DOUBLE what they should be and the estrogen is likely what is causing my excessive water retention.
technically you might just need to take a big poop right? since we are just looking at the scale
 
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But you aren’t considering things like aging, decreasing thyroid levels over years, considerations like it is massively easier to hold a weight you have been vs reaching it for the first time.

The amount of food I had to eat to reach the 240s the first time was about 50% more than I need to maintain it now, being there for the third time.
My thyroid levels are within normal range according to the blood work I posted. Everyone has a normal weight that they attribute to themselves but I don't accept that it's normal to be carrying around excess water and have estrogen levels that are double what they should be. If it's fat I'm carrying (unlikely) then I need to address that as well. I'm not going to accept this as my new normal weight and ignore my body while my body is telling me that something is wrong.
 
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My thyroid levels are within normal range according to the blood work I posted. Everyone has a normal weight that they attribute to themselves but I don't accept that it's normal to be carrying around excess water and have estrogen levels that are double what they should be. If it's fat I'm carrying (unlikely) then I need to address that as well. I'm not going to accept this as my new normal weight and ignore my body while my body is telling me that something is wrong.
I just threw the thyroid out as an example. My thyroid is fine as well based on bloodwork, yet it is very much a fact what I stated about my caloric needs for maintenance at higher bodyweights now.

What are you basing your notion of what your estrogen levels should be? Do you mean your older bloodwork showed estrogen to be half what it is now? Sorry if this was discussed months ago.
 
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I just threw the thyroid out as an example. My thyroid is fine as well based on bloodwork, yet it is very much a fact what I stated about my caloric needs for maintenance at higher bodyweights now.

What are you basing your notion of what your estrogen levels should be? Do you mean your older bloodwork showed estrogen to be half what it is now? Sorry if this was discussed months ago.
I'm down to 170 lbs and have a six pack again. The reason was my estrogen was too high. As soon as I began taking test and an AI all my problems went away. No offense but you guys have no idea what you're talking about since you didn't know natural males or guys that are off cycle can't substantially lower their estrogen with AI.

 
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I'm down to 170 lbs and have a six pack again. The reason was my estrogen was too high. As soon as I began taking test and an AI all my problems went away. No offense but you guys have no idea what you're talking about since you didn't know natural males or guys that are off cycle can't substantially lower their estrogen with AI.

This is very interesting and thanks for sharing 👍 I still don't think we can consider it as a fact, that you can't crush your E with AI's while having natural test production. I'd bet there are several cases where that has happened.
 
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Are you seriously trying to claim you cannot lower estrogen substantially with an AI if not on exogenous testosterone?

Just try 1mg of Letrozole per day for 2 weeks. Tell me how it feels when you have night sweats, can’t get an erection, and your joints hurt despite you moving slow on everything from the awful lethargy.

You either were not taking enough AI, your stuff wasn’t real, or most likely based on you needing testosterone to get abs again, you were just fatter with higher estrogen and you still don’t want to accept it. You never even posted pics to prove it wasn’t just fat. Which would also raise aromatization rates.

GTFO of here, troll.
 
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Are you seriously trying to claim you cannot lower estrogen substantially with an AI if not on exogenous testosterone?

Just try 1mg of Letrozole per day for 2 weeks. Tell me how it feels when you have night sweats, can’t get an erection, and your joints hurt despite you moving slow on everything from the awful lethargy.

You either were not taking enough AI, your stuff wasn’t real, or most likely based on you needing testosterone to get abs again, you were just fatter with higher estrogen and you still don’t want to accept it. You never even posted pics to prove it wasn’t just fat. Which would also raise aromatization rates.

GTFO of here, troll.
He claims to be taking 2,5 mg of Letro daily for a week or two.
 
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OP, did you read or how did you read the study you posted? This is what I found on it:

"Although aromatase inhibition by anastrozole and letrozole is reported to be close to 100%, administration of these inhibitors to men will not suppress plasma estradiol levels completely. In men third-generation aromatase inhibitors will decrease the mean plasma estradiol/testosterone ratio by 77% [28, 29]. --

-- As aromatase inhibition is dose dependent it has been suggested that aromatase is less suppressed in the testis compared to adipose and muscle tissue, explaining the incomplete efficacy of aromatase inhibition in men. Aromatase activity is high in the testes and the molar ratio of testosterone to letrozole is much higher in the testes compared with adipose and muscle tissue. When testicular testosterone and estradiol synthesis are suppressed and testosterone is administered exogenously in combination with letrozole, however, the estradiol/testosterone ratio is suppressed by 81% [30], which is only marginally different from the suppression of this ratio in intact men after treatment with letrozole."

So no real differene (77% vs 81%) in natty production vs exogenous test administration.
 
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AI definitely do work while off test, but symptoms are caused by an imbalance of (free?) test and e2. so if your test is rock bottom, you might have difficulty escaping side effects without nuking e2 completely. and then you get new sides
 
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He claims to be taking 2,5 mg of Letro daily for a week or two.
Yeah I have done that for attempted gyno reversal before I knew better and it’s awful. You get dry as a desert and life sucks. And I was natural at the time.

Guy is a troll, or worse a stupid person who doesn’t want to take any personal responsibility.
 
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Are you seriously trying to claim you cannot lower estrogen substantially with an AI if not on exogenous testosterone?

Just try 1mg of Letrozole per day for 2 weeks. Tell me how it feels when you have night sweats, can’t get an erection, and your joints hurt despite you moving slow on everything from the awful lethargy.

You either were not taking enough AI, your stuff wasn’t real, or most likely based on you needing testosterone to get abs again, you were just fatter with higher estrogen and you still don’t want to accept it. You never even posted pics to prove it wasn’t just fat. Which would also raise aromatization rates.

GTFO of here, troll.
Who hurt you? Chill.
These boys took 2.5mg of letro for 2 years straight and their estradiol stayed the same and test increased (caveat: some were pubertal and some prepubertal). I take back that you can't crash estrogen while being natty or off-cycle because everyone is different but AI simply doesn't work for me when I'm off-cycle and I'm not the only one. Honestly, running 25mg of RAD140 for 1 week is way more effective at suppressing my estrogen than taking 2.5mg of letro. Lastly, I would share pics of my six pack Hyde but I'm not gay. Sorry buddy.
 
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Are you seriously trying to claim you cannot lower estrogen substantially with an AI if not on exogenous testosterone?

Just try 1mg of Letrozole per day for 2 weeks. Tell me how it feels when you have night sweats, can’t get an erection, and your joints hurt despite you moving slow on everything from the awful lethargy.

You either were not taking enough AI, your stuff wasn’t real, or most likely based on you needing testosterone to get abs again, you were just fatter with higher estrogen and you still don’t want to accept it. You never even posted pics to prove it wasn’t just fat. Which would also raise aromatization rates.

GTFO of here, troll.
Don't waste your time
 
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Who hurt you? Chill.
These boys took 2.5mg of letro for 2 years straight and their estradiol stayed the same and test increased (caveat: some were pubertal and some prepubertal). I take back that you can't crash estrogen while being natty or off-cycle because everyone is different but AI simply doesn't work for me when I'm off-cycle and I'm not the only one. Honestly, running 25mg of RAD140 for 1 week is way more effective at suppressing my estrogen than taking 2.5mg of letro. Lastly, I would share pics of my six pack Hyde but I'm not gay. Sorry buddy.
Come on, your on a forum that's mostly men with some type of body dysmenorrhea Talking about your 6 pack abs, your at least a little gay, show @Hyde your tummy, maybe put your finger in your mouth While making that selfie duck face and pull up your t-shirt a couple of inches.

No1 will know it's you if you put a mask on or scribble out some of the face.

Here you go hyde, the letro dropped all the water, here's the proof
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Wow, just read through this. Very weird discussion. I can’t figure this guy out. Says taking test for a month caused him major bloating, then says he fixed it by taking test. I can’t wrap my head around it.
 
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Wow, just read through this. Very weird discussion. I can’t figure this guy out. Says taking test for a month caused him major bloating, then says he fixed it by taking test. I can’t wrap my head around it.
I was on very low dose Aromasin when I took Test initially, which wasn't enough to suppress the increased estrogen.
 
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I love how everyone ignores the 2nd study I linked and just focuses on my abs. Disprove that study. I'm waiting.
 
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Come on, your on a forum that's mostly men with some type of body dysmenorrhea Talking about your 6 pack abs, your at least a little gay, show @Hyde your tummy, maybe put your finger in your mouth While making that selfie duck face and pull up your t-shirt a couple of inches.

No1 will know it's you if you put a mask on or scribble out some of the face.

Here you go hyde, the letro dropped all the water, here's the proofView attachment 212541
Asking a random guy on a forum for him to show a picture of his abs is pretty gay cause you can't verify the date the pic was taken. Sounds like his intention is to just get aroused by looking at a half naked man.
 
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Asking a random guy on a forum for him to show a picture of his abs is pretty gay cause you can't verify the date the pic was taken. Sounds like his intention is to just get aroused by looking at a half naked man.
You could draw the rainbow flag on a piece of paper and hold it next to your abs. Then we would know the picture was recent, and it would be extra gay!
 
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I love how everyone ignores the 2nd study I linked and just focuses on my abs. Disprove that study. I'm waiting.
That study dosent prove a whole lot, most studies don't. Plenty of ppl have crashed there estrogen while taking a ai, even while Natty. I have done it, I know it was crashed because of bloodwork. That proves any study wrong that says otherwise.

If you look hard enough you can find a study that will agree with anything you want and if you look hard enough you will also find the opposite study that disagrees. You got to take these studies with a grain of salt my friend.
 
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You could draw the rainbow flag on a piece of paper and hold it next to your abs. Then we would know the picture was recent, and it would be extra gay!
I'm sure you'd love that gay boy.

Well thanks for not disproving the study. I already said that everyone's biology is different but there are people who can't crash their estrogen with an AI unless their hpta is suppressed.
 

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