NYhomeboy said:
Besides that, I am a firm believer that race is a big issue in athleticism. I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but you have to realize that African slaves were genetically bred for hundreds of years to be the strongest, fastest, most durable people in the world, and there are a lot of scholars who speculate that is the reason that there are superhuman freaks in sports today. Even without the whole issue of breeding, West Africans have evolved for speed (calf/hip placement, FT muscle fiber ratio, etc), and there are many studies showing why they are genetically superior for athletics ON AVERAGE.
Good input. I do agree with some of this - but it still raises some questions. For strength (and strength alone) Eastern Europeans are on average the strongest race I believe, they aren't very athletic however.
The slavery to athletics issue usually goes back to Blacks and Africans, but my question is - Jews were in slavery for hundreds of years (from the time of the pyramids) but on average they are average to below average for strength and speed. I don't really disagree with the point on Black athletes - but assuming it were true, shouldn't Jews have followed a similar evolutionary path?
NYhomeboy said:
Do you see any white runningbacks? White wide receivers? White cornerbacks? If steroids were prominent in the NFL, there would be a lot of white runningbacks, white wide receivers, etc, because they would be able to compensate genetically. I personally know dozens of black ahletes from school, who I know did not touch juice, but were naturally 180 lbs 5'10, 6% bodyfat, all with hitting the gym a dozen times in their life max. Chad Johnson said that his pregame meal is a burger and a soda, and having a lot of black friends who eat fast food constantly and are more ripped than many BBers at all times of the year, I believe them.
Receiver/Cornerbacks comes down to speed and fast twitch, so I won't disagree that blacks are far dominant. We are talking strictly NFL though. Certainly there are plenty of White skill position players at fairly high levels in NCAA and elsewhere.
But also, what about the Black NFL players in the 80s? They were much smaller. They might have been 230lbs but were 15% BF. The players today are 230lbs and 8 and 9%. Is that simply training? The players do too much cardio during the year to maintain so much lean mass at so little body fat naturally. That goes for all races.
Funny you mention Chad Johnson, I think the 'Chad Johnson Diet' is overblown quite a bit. My friends heard he eats McDonalds - so they start eating it everyday and then get fat. They then declare Chad Johnson is a genetic freak - which is true to a certain degree. Johnson probably eats it once a week at most and certainly not everyday. ESPN blew that pre-game way out of proportion, they did for Rod Smith too. Chad or Rod aren't particulary strong recievers though - very lanky, fast and a rocket metabolism with tons of cardio.
When we look at the really solid guys, Eddie George or Ahman Green - there diets are nearly flawless. Jamal Lewis is possibly an exception because he is nearly a defensive end playing RB - but I have no doubt he juiced big time at Tennessee.
We aren't really disagreeing completely, but your black friends that eat a lot of fast food and stay lean. How big are they? 180-200? at 5-10 or 6-1? do they do a ton of cardio whether it be basketball, football or whatever?
I agree that on average, Blacks have a higher genetic plateau. They are often build for movements like bench press (football players, not basketball guys with long arms). More Fast Twitch no doubt... and usually a faster metabolism, especially if combined with cardio. All advantages.
But to think say their genetic limit is ridiculously far above every race, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. They are better athletes but accordingly need to use steroids to keep up/or above others using steroids as well.
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