steroids and test

lontroc

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Years before I used anything I started researching gear and the majority said a cycle without test is wasted..... now I look back and question this "knowledge" , Arnold started using , if I'm not mistaken around 16 and I dont believe he ever used test in his cycles, test I admit is an awesome cycle itself but is it really needed in a cycle, I believe it depends on the compound and that not all cycles need test, there are many compounds that do not effect your libido negatively and I think these compounds should be your mainstay and should be ran with the standard 500 IU HCG twice a week at the end of the week to keep natural test from dropping , I also believe that the serms and ai's are completely overused and not nesecary with every cycle, if i am running two compounds with low aroma then why use a serm, yes hpta will be effected but thats what hcg is for, i would love some opinions
 
First what Arnold did is absolute BS. Nobody knows what Arnold did exactly, but whatever he did, he did it for many years before he became what we know him as and I'm sure he had his own trial and error phase.

Secondly any cycle with testosterone should include nolvadex as PCT because when you discontinue testosterone, estrogen dominates you HPTA and maintains low endogenous testosterone levels inhibiting your recovery.

Thirdly it's advised to use an AI during a testosterone cycle because testosterone aromatises to estrogen resulting in supraphysiologically high levels of estrogen resulting in estrogen related side effects such as water retention and gynecomastia in prone individuals.
 
i agree with space, but once one figures out if they are gyno prone or not...they may not need to run an AI on cycle.

a SERM is a must with any cycle including test. sure u can get away with out one...but why risks the sides of excess estrogen?
 
i think you guys are missing my question, my question is your opinion on androgenic cycles without using test and instead using hcg to maintain natural levels, i have heard a lot of talk about never cycle without test but the more i learn the less i agree with that comment, if i run an androgenic cycle i dont see the need for test and therefore an AI , possibly a serm depending on which compound , for example a cycle of furazabol or masteron with either anavar or turnibol , hcg therapy ran throughout cycle to prevent shut down for 12 weeks and nolv pct, i know size gains would be smaller but i think they would be more easily kept considering the compounds and especially with the hcg helping preserve natural levels


the arnold comment was based on a 2 part assumption on my part (yes i shouldnt do that) one that he had to be using because of the progression in his younger photos, and two that he probably didnt use a lot of test because not many people did back then , im not some muke that got an email about arnies cycle and ran with it
 
I like anabolics moreso than androgens....thats one reason why Im a fan of EQ.....they generally require a whole lot less use of ancillaries.

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whether u run test or not has to do with if u want to keep your sex drive mostly in my opinion. so if u can do without sex drive and deal with alot of tiredness then go fo it...

i do agree with what u said about serms.... i think it depends if the person is gyno prone

...because if serms prevent gyno, thus everyone who uses serms would not get gyno. but that statement is not true. so is there a point to serms? or does it depend entirely on the person?
 
also about the arnold thing..... he was permenently on dbol and primo as fas as i know. im sure after it was all over he probably got test meds from the doctor to boost his natty levels back up because im sure they crashed. i mean the guys a multi millionaire dont forget u can get anything from doctors.... i mean magic johnson dont even got aids no more
 
I agree i'm not as big of a fan of test as everyone seems to be...i've done it and the results were ok but i've gotten much better results from winstrol only cycles...of course weight gain wasnt that high but as far as changing the look of my physique the winny only was def the best and its easy to keep the gains...no shut down either
 
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