Starting up too fast?

jason267

jason267

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I have preached against doing this....
BUT...
I finished a 4 week Pmag cycle (100mgs), about a week ago, so i am a full week into PCT...
it looks like this:
Torem (90/60/60/30)
Clomid (50/50/25/25)
DAA (3g)
6 Bromo

Thing is, i didn't get shut down (not much anyhow), i even got bloodwork done on my last day of the cycle. Test is lower than pre cycle of course, but still sitting at 550 (normally i am 700'ish)...Estrogen is in range, again slightly higher than pre cycle.
^That was before i even started my PCT!

So, i am thinking about cutting my PCT down to just 2 or 3 weeks. Nothing set in stone...just thinking.
Thing is, i have a really good cycle lined up, that i was going to put off until winter time...but im wondering about starting it 2 weeks after i finish my PCT?
I know the age old saying "TIME ON + PCT=TIME OFF"...but seeing how good my bloods are, even before i started my PCT...it makes me have that itch, to go ahead and run the cycle i have planned...NOW! Its only a 4 weeker. So really, it would be like running a PH cycle for 8 weeks...but with a 2 week break (PCT) in the middle. Any thoughts on that?
NEW CYCLE is Msten & 4-Andro. Also have a AI on hand. (though ive never had to use one, even with past Msten/DMZ cycle).
And yes, i will run a really strong PCT at the end. Both Nolva and Clomid, most likely for 5 weeks. DAA on blast.
 
^In a way, the entire cycle would look like this:
Pmag (100/100/100/100)
Stano (600mgs)
*Clomid and Torem for 2 weeks
Msten (20/20/20/20)
4Andro (200/200/200/200)
*Clomid and Nolva + DAA+ Xgels

^For a total of 8 weeks on, and 6 weeks of PCT
???
 
jason267 said:
^In a way, the entire cycle would look like this:
Pmag (100/100/100/100)
Stano (600mgs)
*Clomid and Torem for 2 weeks
Msten (20/20/20/20)
4Andro (200/200/200/200)
*Clomid and Nolva + DAA+ Xgels

^For a total of 8 weeks on, and 6 weeks of PCT
???
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It makes no sense to pct for a few weeks then jump into msten...you should have just bridged into it
 
hvactech said:
It makes no sense to pct for a few weeks then jump into msten...you should have just bridged into it
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Believe me, i know.
I didnt have the Msten, and didnt even know i could still buy it legally at the time.
I just got it in the mail a couple days ago.
Considering that...what do you think about it?

I dont want to confuse my hormones more than they already are, even though my bloods say that the Pmag run had little effect on my system.
 
Personally drop one of your serms, finish pct.... invest in more 4ad or other bases then re-cycle..
 
hvactech said:
Personally drop one of your serms, finish pct.... invest in more 4ad or other bases then re-cycle..
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You mean drop a serm for my final PCT?
Why not both Nolva and Clomid together??? Ive done it before and PCT was actually a treat!

Also, i have enough 4Andro to run it at 400mgs a day...but i dont want to risk estrogen conversion. It is actually quite strong with 4 Andro.
I only want to take it to prevent lethargy. And i dont recall how bad lethargy was with Msten....
 
jason267 said:
You mean drop a serm for my final PCT?
Why not both Nolva and Clomid together??? Ive done it before and PCT was actually a treat!

Also, i have enough 4Andro to run it at 400mgs a day...but i dont want to risk estrogen conversion. It is actually quite strong with 4 Andro.
I only want to take it to prevent lethargy. And i dont recall how bad lethargy was with Msten....
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From your pmag cycle....
 
Ah, i see.
Its not needed now that i found out my bloods are decent.

Im wondering how its possible for my Test and Estro to be in such good shape the day after my last dose of Pmag???
I know Pmag is fairly tame, still, at 100mgs...it should have shut me tha f down!

That is the only reason why im thinking about starting up the Msten run.

Also, what do you think would be a good supp addition to my final PCT.
I have Nolva and Clomid and DAA....but am open to new ideas for a test booster.
 
Just curious, what in your opinion would be a good dose of 4 Andro?
They are 50mgs a piece i believe.

Im thinking 4 caps a day=200mgs/spilt
 
jason267 said:
Ah, i see.
Its not needed now that i found out my bloods are decent.

Im wondering how its possible for my Test and Estro to be in such good shape the day after my last dose of Pmag???
I know Pmag is fairly tame, still, at 100mgs...it should have shut me tha f down!

That is the only reason why im thinking about starting up the Msten run.

Also, what do you think would be a good supp addition to my final PCT.
I have Nolva and Clomid and DAA....but am open to new ideas for a test booster.
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I personally like DAA max by vital labs for a Daa and test boosting product. But you can check out any test booster at Strong Supplement Shop if you need one for pct or want to try a new one.
 
jason267 said:
Ah, i see.
Its not needed now that i found out my bloods are decent.

Im wondering how its possible for my Test and Estro to be in such good shape the day after my last dose of Pmag???
I know Pmag is fairly tame, still, at 100mgs...it should have shut me tha f down!

That is the only reason why im thinking about starting up the Msten run.

Also, what do you think would be a good supp addition to my final PCT.
I have Nolva and Clomid and DAA....but am open to new ideas for a test booster.
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Reduce xt
 
what about x gels?
Seems like i looked at the ingred and they are basically what Gaspri did when Halodrol 50 got pulled of the market, so they sold something like those xgels and still called it Halodrol...
Might be wrong though
 
jason267 said:
what about x gels?
Seems like i looked at the ingred and they are basically what Gaspri did when Halodrol 50 got pulled of the market, so they sold something like those xgels and still called it Halodrol...
Might be wrong though
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No clue.... but sns xgels would be fine
 
hvactech said:
Reduce xt
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Ah, i forgot about that stuff. I have one bottle!
Ill add it in on the 2nd week of PCT, correct?

Also, wont Erase do basically the same thing as Reduce?

During PCT, and i hope im doing this right to make sure estro is good...
Rev Black PCT (Aramistane) 50mgs for the first 2 weeks...then take Erase (same compound) @ 1 cap a day, 25mgs.
Tapering...Good deal?
 
I would agree with hvactech as well. reduce xt by sns is always a good product to throw in for pct. X gels could even be thrown in there taken pre workout if you wanted. reduce xt for sure you could add in tho. I forget what our price for reduce xt is right now at Strong Supplement Shop but we carry both reduce xt and x gels if you need to pick them up.
 
Oh okay if you already have a bottle then your g2g. haha
 
LeanEngineer said:
I would agree with hvactech as well. reduce xt by sns is always a good product to throw in for pct. X gels could even be thrown in there taken pre workout if you wanted. reduce xt for sure you could add in tho. I forget what our price for reduce xt is right now at Strong Supplement Shop but we carry both reduce xt and x gels if you need to pick them up.
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Just curous about trying the xgels. Does your company offer any samples? Id like to try some for a couple days.
 
No we don't. But maybe try PMing an SNS rep and they might have some.
 
jason267 said:
what about x gels?
Seems like i looked at the ingred and they are basically what Gaspri did when Halodrol 50 got pulled of the market, so they sold something like those xgels and still called it Halodrol...
Might be wrong though
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hey J how did you go with p-mag ? which brand do you had ginz/sides/ ? etc. i have two bottles of this ph and im wondering . also i'm currently cutting and using SNS Bulbine over 3 weeks, usually i'm very skeptical on any herbal products but i definitely feel the difference its might be a good cheap addition to your pct .im planing to stack this with anabeta PES old version which has also very interesting ingredient.
 
bobi593 said:
hey J how did you go with p-mag ? which brand do you had ginz/sides/ ? etc. i have two bottles of this ph and im wondering . also i'm currently cutting and using SNS Bulbine over 3 weeks, usually i'm very skeptical on any herbal products but i definitely feel the difference its might be a good cheap addition to your pct .im planing to stack this with anabeta PES old version which has also very interesting ingredient.
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Can I have the pmag?
 
bobi593 said:
hey J how did you go with p-mag ? which brand do you had ginz/sides/ ? etc. i have two bottles of this ph and im wondering . also i'm currently cutting and using SNS Bulbine over 3 weeks, usually i'm very skeptical on any herbal products but i definitely feel the difference its might be a good cheap addition to your pct .im planing to stack this with anabeta PES old version which has also very interesting ingredient.
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I went at 100mgs for 4 weeks...was supposed to be longer, but ****e happens. I also ran low dosed Trenavar (30mgs)...ran what i had.
It was LGI's Pmag25.
I gained 12lbs, and im a week into PCT, and i have lost 2lbs (water weight/glycogen). So far so good. Still, if i keep 7 or 8lbs overall, pretty damn good! I also cut 1/4%BF off me. Diet, diet, diet!
I am using Bulbine as well! Its a well known herb, decent. And if you do some diggin around online you can find some solid info on it and its use.
Never tried Anabeta...seems like there was not much to it, but id have to look again.
I had pretty much no sides on my Pmag run, i felt some tension in my lower back on and off. But i will say that even though my diet was squeaky clean, i would bloat up easily. Water weight im sure of it. If you run it, especially at a high dose like i did, take a mild AI (Erase, etc). But besides that, it was awesome. Ive ran Pmag twice now, that and Hdrol are some of the easiest cycles ever.
What do you plan on doing?
Pmag with Tren would be nice!
 
jason267 said:
I went at 100mgs for 4 weeks...was supposed to be longer, but ****e happens. I also ran low dosed Trenavar (30mgs)...ran what i had.
It was LGI's Pmag25.
I gained 12lbs, and im a week into PCT, and i have lost 2lbs (water weight/glycogen). So far so good. Still, if i keep 7 or 8lbs overall, pretty damn good! I also cut 1/4%BF off me. Diet, diet, diet!
I am using Bulbine as well! Its a well known herb, decent. And if you do some diggin around online you can find some solid info on it and its use.
Never tried Anabeta...seems like there was not much to it, but id have to look again.
I had pretty much no sides on my Pmag run, i felt some tension in my lower back on and off. But i will say that even though my diet was squeaky clean, i would bloat up easily. Water weight im sure of it. If you run it, especially at a high dose like i did, take a mild AI (Erase, etc). But besides that, it was awesome. Ive ran Pmag twice now, that and Hdrol are some of the easiest cycles ever.
What do you plan on doing?
Pmag with Tren would be nice!
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well i just finished 8-10 weeks of alphamax and i'm planning to run 8 weeks of osta { but before i want to cut little bit of fat } in one month, mostly because i have tennis elbow and i'm hoping that this stuff can help me to to fix this, also i want to backup my strength before i hit something stronger . Options for stacking is many i have on deck DMZ/H-DROL/P-MAG /1-ANDRO/MSTEN i'm sure that i can run something nice with this compounds. Anabeta examine.com/supplements/Anacyclus%20pyrethrum
 
Don't waste the pct if bloods got you in mid range no need and it's always nice to have extra on hand for emergency.

The only question for jumping on the msten is are you happy with the results of the pmag? Do you feel like you want to gain more right now.

You've kept 10lbs so far honestly what I would do is get on low dose msten for 6 weeks really solidify those 10lbs keep on your diet try to drop a little more bf and you will be looking great just as summer hits full swing
 
^Thats exactly what im going to do. But only have enough for 5 weeks...cuz honestly, this will be the longest cycle i have ever done.
Pmag was okay, but even with a crazy clean diet, mostly just protein, i still gained what looks like some water weight. Just around the love handle area.
So for sure, running this Msten my main goal is solidifying my muscle and im hoping it will help keep my body adjusted to the new gains so i can hold on to em.
The msten will be a cut, basically. Maintanance intake, high protein...lots o chicken! And im trying out a new regimen, heavy and low one day, then light (er) and high the next workout. I did this on my Hdrol cycle years back and got a good look for summer. The wife is digging what the Pmag did for me, but it made me a bit "off" in the bed. One day was amazing, the next i had to say "sorry, love. Not tonight. Just not goin to happen!" Ah....hormones.
 
mixedup said:
Don't waste the pct if bloods got you in mid range no need and it's always nice to have extra on hand for emergency.

The only question for jumping on the msten is are you happy with the results of the pmag? Do you feel like you want to gain more right now.

You've kept 10lbs so far honestly what I would do is get on low dose msten for 6 weeks really solidify those 10lbs keep on your diet try to drop a little more bf and you will be looking great just as summer hits full swing
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Would love to gain, and keep 12-15lbs. And have a total bf of 12% when all things are said and done. We shall see. Im going to make a log this time, and keep it updated. Should be interesting as far as sides go, because of how i did things. Pmag cycle, then stop and do a week of PCT, then start Msten cycle!!! I should have just went straight into the Msten...oh well.
Main thing is: Bloodwork is good. And i cant stress this enough....post cycle, get your bloods. Then you will know for sure if your PCT worked and you are on your way back to homeostasis...that sweet spot!
 
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