Starting Epi-Andro Stack-Advice

[BigLank]

Hi guys,

Just purchase the Epi-Andro Stack with 4-Andro and all the other on-cycle support products. This is my very first pro-hormone cycle. I'm 34 and have been workout regular for 15 years. Fee questions. Is this an appropriate first time cycle? When should I take the anabolic matrix product during or after he cycle? Do I need clomid for PCT? Any other advice would be greatly appreciated. Planning on getting my T-levels checked prior to and after PCT. I am concerned about natural production shut down.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Joe12]

What are your goals?
Andro 1 & 4 = Bulking
Andro 1 & epi = Recomp
I dont know anyone who has run just epi & 4, but I do know people who have run epi. 1 & 4.

I dont know a lot about anabolic matrix, but if it is a natty test booster just use it in your PCT, it will have no noticible effect on-cycle. EPI is your test base on-cycle. I am finishing up a 1&epi run right now. I took 2 pills of each 2x a day, but had to bump up epi because I began experiencing some suppression. After 2 days of bumping it up, things were back to normal.

And yes, you will need a SERM, that is what clomid is. 25 per day for 4 weeks minimum, some guys go for 6 weeks... its a debate, if you feel good after 4 and your blood says so, then you are good to go.

 

[BigLank]

Thank you for your detailed reply sir. I'm running the 4 with epi because that is what the stack came with. My goals are to increase strength, and mostly recomp. I'd rather keep my size and not loss weight. I'm 260 at 6"4. If so can weight but loss fat that's great.

The stack comes with an anti-e to run during cycle as well.

Thanks again man.

 

[BigLank]

I also only have one bottle. So I will only be able to do two pills per day for epi and 4.

 

[Joe12]

It takes several weeks for PHs to kick in, so you should run them for a minimum of 6-weeks, preferably 8-weeks. Andro 4 is a wet gainer, which is why it is used for a bulk, EPI is generally used as a test base and for a dry run/recomp. I'm not sure what brand you picked up, (or who is selling those two together) but if you want to recomp, you should really run andro 1 & epi, not 4.

Also, you asked "I am concerned about natural production shut down." PH and SARM will prohibit HPTA, the question is not necessarily will it shut you down, as much as, will you feel suppressed. Suppression is possible, and may require you to up your test base while on cycle (thats EPI). If you get suppressed, your PCT will bring you back. Honestly, and don't take this the wrong way, I recommend doing a little more research before you jump into a PH cycle. Strong Supplements Shop has some great crash course info, as well as Olympias Labs...

http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/test-base-supplement-information

 

[BigLank]

Thanks for the reply again Joe, IML is the one selling these two together in a stack which is why I'm posting in this forum. I'll keep researching. Was hoping someone from IML could give there advice too.

 

[BigLank]

I assumed IML would put products together being sold as a stack would work well together.

 

[gagandugan]

That's a strange stack. They would normally be used with 1-Andro.

 

[BigLank]

I've searched google and have found some people stacking them. But sounds like if I take the recommended dose it is only 100mg each prohormone. Looks like recommended dose is 300 to 500 for noobs. So is this not even worth taking or should I get more to up the dose? If I take it as is at such a low dose is clomid still necasary?

 

[Joe12]

Yea, you can find people stacking all kinds of stuff on the web, the question is, is that the best stack for your current goal. Also, a lot of companies couple products together for sale, not always with the intent of being the best stack. I am finishing a run right now, and this is what I am taking.

OL Andro 1 - 220 (2 pill split, probably should have done 330)
OL Epi - Began with 500 (2 pill split, but had to bump it to 750 bc of suppression)
On cycle

PCT
Super PCT (would have taken Kingsblood, but I had this one)
Clomid 25/25/25/25

http://olympusuk.com/product/sup3r-1-elite/
http://olympusuk.com/product/sup3r-epi-elite/
http://olympusuk.com/product/ar1macare-pro-sub/
http://olympusuk.com/product/sup3r-pct-sub/

Ck out those links, they have recommended doses for new and experienced guys.

Taking only 100mg per day would be a wast of money, with virtually no gains. I would recommend saving the andro 4 for down the road, and picking up some andro 1 to stack with EPI and running it for 8-weeks. If I run this stack again, I would have done 2 pills of andro 1 & epi for the first month, and bumped it to 3 & 4 the last month. This was my first andro run, so I didnt know how I would respond to them, and went the safer route.

 

[BigLank]

Thanks man, how would Olympus Labs Sup4r-2 stack with Epi? Pretty good deal on it somewhere.

 

[Joe12]

Sup3r-2 was recently discontinued, which is why you can find some killer deals on it. You can stack it with Epi for a recomp, but I don't think it will deliver the same as andro 1&epi. However, I have not run them, so maybe some of the OL reps can chime in. NewAgeMayan Jebrook

Here is a good write up...
http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/sup3r-2-by-olympus-labs

 

[BigLank]

Thanks man, you have been super helpful.

 

[Jebrook]

Thanks man, how would Olympus Labs Sup4r-2 stack with Epi? Pretty good deal on it somewhere.

This stack has some pretty good synergism IMO. I would do 500 mg/750 mg respectively for 6-8 weeks. Nice lean mass stack.