Starting a pro hormone cycle "Built Phase 3"

TexasLifter89 said:
No they don't. SERMs are not sold in stores and require a prescription from a doctor unless you order research grade. Clomid or tamoxifen

You can find them online in Pharma grade and import them up to 90 day supply.

These are what is in it... They are breast cancer drugs. Not supplements or anything over the counter
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Well considering I'm military I won't be able to get a SERM prescribed.....
 
Starting a pro hormone cycle "Built Phase 3"

A SERM is more than keeping your gains. It's also used to restart your HPTA and such.

No place sells pharmacy grade anything without a pharmacy prescription. My local nutrition stores like to sell SARMs (not SERMs) in a bottle that looks like a prescription bottle and say it's from a drug manufacturer.

I prefer Nolva. Clomid works too. Torem works as well. Up to you

If you can't take a SERM because of your job or military, you don't need to take this cycle. It sort of appears you're going to do it anyway, but you're risking your health for no reason.
 
Woody said:
A SERM is more than keeping your gains. It's also used to restart your HPTA and such.

No place sells pharmacy grade anything without a pharmacy prescription. My local nutrition stores like to sell SARMs (not SERMs) in a bottle that looks like a prescription bottle and say it's from a drug manufacturer.

I prefer Nolva. Clomid works too. Torem works as well. Up to you

If you can't take a SERM because of your job or military, you don't need to take this cycle. It sort of appears you're going to do it anyway, but you're risking your health for no reason.
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With that said, assuming you guys are basing my supplements off pharmaceutical grade quality would that truly be different compared to something that is not OTC.
 
Ive searched the forum and seen someone was using this stuff with good reviews. Probably the best I could get without getting prescribed. Thoughts? It's from iron-dragon the Clomid I can't post a link up
 
07stuntin6r said:
With that said, assuming you guys are basing my supplements off pharmaceutical grade quality would that truly be different compared to something that is not OTC.
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Are you asking if an OTC PCT is equivalent to a SERM for a 4 PS stack? No, an OTC isn't. You can get away with OTC PCT on much much lighter cycles and there is blood work to validate it. However, a OTC PCT can't even touch a pharma grade SERM on something like this.

If you want to know how they compare all you need to do is go to Google.com/scholar and type in any of the drug names we mentioned (not the generic names) and you'll see studies validating their capabilities.
 
TexasLifter89 said:
Are you asking if an OTC PCT is equivalent to a SERM for a 4 PS stack? No, an OTC isn't. You can get away with OTC PCT on much much lighter cycles and there is blood work to validate it. However, a OTC PCT can't even touch a pharma grade SERM on something like this.

If you want to know how they compare all you need to do is go to Google.com/scholar and type in any of the drug names we mentioned (not the generic names) and you'll see studies validating their capabilities.
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I was talking about a OTC Ph like I have vs a pharmaceutical grade or top shelf product comparison.
 
You dont need a script youcan order from a online pharmacy if ypu look around. Without that if you decide to go with a supplement instead heres what your risking. 1. Most likely to loose your gains after your cycle. 2. Low testosterone and high estrogen which leads to 3. A good possibility that your crank wont work for a while till your test levels come back, do ypu really wanna risk not being able to get a hard on for weeks or possibly months? Its your body do what u want
 
Smont said:
You dont need a script youcan order from a online pharmacy if ypu look around. Without that if you decide to go with a supplement instead heres what your risking. 1. Most likely to loose your gains after your cycle. 2. Low testosterone and high estrogen which leads to 3. A good possibility that your crank wont work for a while till your test levels come back, do ypu really wanna risk not being able to get a hard on for weeks or possibly months? Its your body do what u want
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Not to sound like a douche but I have a long distance relationship where I get it maybe 1-2x's a month lmao! Just asking questions since I just purchased this stuff and wasn't aware this stuff was this potent hobestly
 
Your best bet is to still drop the cycle & take a much milder one. Store it in a cabinet until you have some experience under your belt and really understand what you are getting into! The risk FAR out weight the rewards. You've never taken a cycle so you will respond very good to a mild cycle like 1 & 4 Andro with next to no sides and a very enjoyable cycle.
 
B Man said:
Your best bet is to still drop the cycle & take a much milder one. Store it in a cabinet until you have some experience under your belt and really understand what you are getting into! The risk FAR out weight the rewards. You've never taken a cycle so you will respond very good to a mild cycle like 1 & 4 Andro with next to no sides and a very enjoyable cycle.
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He is just dumb n won't listen end of story, ND I agree Smont her want the ok from someone it's like he came here for validation.
 
At some point today il send you a indepth answer to y u shouldn't and if u decide to il explain how to in the safest way possible but overall you shouldn't run this cycle
 
just take regular DMZ . its great. and take a shir load of NAC, and organ sheild from purus labs. then after do arimistan. and the 3rd month do a liver cleanse . should be alright.
 
07stuntin6r said:
Is there a write up on here for recommended cycles etc?
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On the current market in the USA, beginner cycles would be:

I would stick with 4Andro / 1Andro dosages to be 330mg-550mg for just about any variation of a cycle you do that involves either of them. Especially with the newer delivery systems such as Cyclosome and SEDDS. For a raw or no delivery system you'll want to dose higher.

If you do the Andros I'd suggest 6 - 8 weeks.

4 Andro + 1 Andro
4 Andro + EpiAndro
1 Andro Solo
4 Andro + EpiAndro + 1 Andro
various SARMs + 4 Andro (I'm not very knowledgable on SARMs as I avoid them).

With the current market there is no need to do a methyl (including Epistane, Halodrol clones, etc) for your first cycle. The gains off these DHEAs and SARMs are plenty good.
 
A bit late to the conversation here, but for what it's worth -

I ran a very similar compound recently, my first time with anything of this nature. Over the 4 weeks I gained about 20lbs (and lost 10 in the month after). I took an otc liver support, as recommended by the sales rep, and nothing else. Had no PCT lined up, no AI (in month 2, when i was done, i took an oct AI). No initial bloodwork, but i'm testing levels imminently. No gyno, mild lethargy, nuts got tight and libido has been in flux—we'll soon see what else.

The liver damage talk is definitely scary, but I'm eager to start something again after a couple months of rest have passed. Obviously don't do what I did, but also I'm sure I'm not the first. Will look for something less liver 'toxic' next time.
 
Same here took the phase 4 with cycle support,dim and liver sup and seen nothing but gains in mass and reduction in fat. No side effects whatsoever. Feel great in the gym lifting more weight than before the cycle. One more month than a PCT.
 
Hey man,

Recently got me some phase 4 just wanted to know what it was like after the cycle and up until now. Were there or are there any noticeable sides?
 
SirFoxy said:
Hey man,

Recently got me some phase 4 just wanted to know what it was like after the cycle and up until now. Were there or are there any noticeable sides?
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Didn't notice any sides. I'm on my PCT right now I gained about 8lbs of muscles on two cycles and increased my squat/db press and deadlift significantly.
 
Sounds great what did you use as pct? The guy gave me a bottle of the built recovery along with a test booster . I've got a liver support and arimadex on stand by as well
 
Starting a pro hormone cycle "Built Phase 3"

I thought that stuff was only local to this area hadn't come across this thread yet , I've always been seriously interested in their phs but stayed away cuz it's sketchy they still make the stuff they say (even though it's mostly banned) I'ma need to take some time and write all the compounds down and find out what's what , have you only tried phase 3?
 
I have the phase 4 about to try it. Have the recovery as well. Checked out the individual ingredients and are most on low doses. But not an expert on this so looking for some actually reviews
 
SirFoxy said:
I have the phase 4 about to try it. Have the recovery as well. Checked out the individual ingredients and are most on low doses. But not an expert on this so looking for some actually reviews
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I have the recovery but that's just the an AI so not sure if that's best for pct over a serm but definitely throw up a log if you run it bro ! I'll follow. They still make all the old phs so if it's a good run I'll more then likely pick up a good anount
 
I've went through two bottles of phase 4 nothing but good things I got from it....despite other saying it was too much PH I did fine on it. Went from barely squatting 315x1 to now repping it 8xs
 
Also my PR before the two cycles on deadlift was 405 I can do that 5x & max is 455 now. Stiff does work. I've never gained that much strength in two months
 
I can't see how after two cycles of m1a and other goodies that this guy only gained 8 pounds that's like msten for 4 or 5 weeks
 
I don't understand this if you guys are taking real phs you should be taking real serms if you aren't and your coming off with no noticeable sides then your taking fake ****
 
jakecake said:
I don't understand this if you guys are taking real phs you should be taking real serms if you aren't and your coming off with no noticeable sides then your taking fake ****
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Didn't see that , I'm not too sure about the company it's always been a grey area to me and that's why I've stayed away from it but a few people I know have ran the built stuff and I've seen them get good results and then they've also heard food experiences from others so that's the main reason they have my interest peaked
 
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