Starting a PH Cycle

boomerwrestlr

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I will start by saying I am 20yrs old, 5'8, and 167lbs with an 10% bf(roughly) and I have never used anything like a ph before. I also understand the dangers of taking prohormones and from everything I have read would like for someone to help answer a few questions I have. From the ph I have been looking to use, I have narrowed it down to a few; Decaplexx 850, M1 Alpha, or Testplex 450. I have questions regarding the dosages i.e. the bottle says one thing so should I stick to that or increase week to week? Next I would like to ask about pre-cycle supps. like milk thistle, hawthorn berry, and saw palmetto. the research I have seen says that it inhibits gains from the ph so should they only be taken before or in low dosages during the cycle? Next, I am curious whether to take normal supps. like protein creatine and pre workout during the cycle or will it be to harmful? For the pct I am currently finding some nolva and ill make sure to have some before I start. But I am wondering if taking a test booster like P6 will help return my t-levels to normal during the pct? P.S. I have done research but some of these answers have many questionable answers. I appreciate any help.
 
You have narrowed it down to 4 stupid first cycles.
If you must run a cycle do this
Epistane
40/40/40/40/40/50
Pct nolva (tamoxifen)
20/20/10/10
Take your normal creatine. A ton of protein
Test boosters help in pct, also things to help retain strength made off the cycle like sns x gels.
I'd also use an estro blocker like arimistane
0/0/75/50/50/25.

I'm seriously doubting your ability to think things thru when I see what you "narrowed it down to" epi would make a great first cycle!
 
Also, use reliable companies like lgi, ironmaglabs las, cel, Olympus, Celtic labs, and black stone labs. Ect. Don't use companies that make test plex 450. Your just asking to get a bad product
 
Well I narrowed it down on what seemed to be mild ph that are very simple to get a hold of, now if these aren't good put point me in the right direction please. And why Epistane?
 
boomerwrestlr said:
Well I narrowed it down on what seemed to be mild ph that are very simple to get a hold of, now if these aren't good put point me in the right direction please. And why Epistane?
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Go with a company I posted above. You have a lot of research to do if you think Those are mild. Epi Cuz it's a great compound for anyone to use, novice to experienced.
 
Well you seem to know a lot so ill follow with another beginner question. In your reply you showed a 6 week cycle, is that what you would recommend or should I cut it to 4? And what about the support supps. I asked about?
 
boomerwrestlr said:
Well you seem to know a lot so ill follow with another beginner question. In your reply you showed a 6 week cycle, is that what you would recommend or should I cut it to 4? And what about the support supps. I asked about?
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Ya do a 6 weeker for sure! It kicks in week 2. I'd do 8 but that cuz I'm me ;)
Cel cycle assist is the best support sup. and it's very affordable. I'd recommend 3 caps in the morning and 3 later. Dose it 4 hours apart from the epi.
Use all your normal supps. Fish oil, multi, creatine, protein shake (a lot), and anything else you want. in pct it's good to have a natty test booster like sns daa. Or pct assist. I run a pct with a serm, test booster, and an estro blocker (not always needed).
I'd stop preworkout drinks though, the stims will make your blood pressure worse than the epi will already have it.
 
The only thing that needs to be pre loaded 7-10 days is hawthorn berry. It initially spikes your bp. Just buy it from a grocery or drug store $6-10 and use that to pre load. Save your hard earned $$$ and what you read about cycle assist inhibiting gains is wrong. Take it while on cycle, that's the point of it lol
 
Ok, as for the epi what brand do you recommend the most? and when would be the best times to take it? Also, I'm seeing the lgi brand of epi and the product is pretty cheap, normal? And I really appreciate all your help man.
 
boomerwrestlr said:
Ok, as for the epi what brand do you recommend the most? and when would be the best times to take it? Also, I'm seeing the lgi brand of epi and the product is pretty cheap, normal? And I really appreciate all your help man.
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It should be $25 a bottle buy 2-3. It's always good to have an extra few caps incase you need to up the dose or extend the cycle. Lgi is gtg
 
Another solid Epi option here

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IronFlex is well reviewed if you look around the forums here. Plenty of logs and great results
 
Driven2lift said:
Another solid Epi option here Invalid Link Removed IronFlex is well reviewed if you look around the forums here. Plenty of logs and great results
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You can pick it up at orbit or our home page. Both have discount codes, ORBIT109 for 10% off or "AM20" at our homepage for 20% off.

You need to do a little more researching before you start a cycle though. Solo compounds are the goto for first cycles.

Epi, halo, pmag (or the active methylclostebol) would be ideal first runs.

Liver support, bulk NAC or UDCA/TUDCA.
BP support- bulk celery seed or nitrates

Post cycle
Personally I like clomid or torem.
Cortisol supplement started second week of pct (evomuse ammo or SNS reduce xt)
Formestane tapered from week two to week five of pct
 
boomerwrestlr said:
Alright Tyga, well whats your recommendation on cycle time/dosage on those products? And I am trying man trust me!
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Six weeks minimal. I don't like short cycles, doesn't mean there not effective I just don't like them.

Research out of those compounds which one sounds like it suites your goals better. If you want to "bulk" I'd prefer something "wetter" like MLMG or M14add (if you can still find it).

Depends on the half-life on how often you take the designer. Pick one and come back when you think you've chosen the right compound for your goals.

Best of luck bud!
 
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