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Toren
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I'd start taking the Dermacrine now @ 2 pumps ED, so it has a chance to work into your system and start having an affect. It doesn't make a lot of sense to wait for the lethargy to kick in (if it even does for you). Dermacrine doesn't really work immediately anyway. Start @ 2 pumps ED and bump up to 3 or 4 if you see fit. I've never had to go above 4 pumps and 2-3 usually does the trick for me.
Save the Endosurge Turbo for PCT. Better yet, save it for immediately after PCT so as to increase you free Test while total Test is already elevated from your SERM. You are using a SERM for PCT correct?
Save the Endosurge Turbo for PCT. Better yet, save it for immediately after PCT so as to increase you free Test while total Test is already elevated from your SERM. You are using a SERM for PCT correct?
Toren
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Keep it to the upper chest and don't forget about your traps, upper back, neck, inside of the wrist, inner elbow. All are good spots.
Yanks
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Yanks
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I did mostly my chest and bicep triceps area pretty much how it looked on the bottle but I'll keep that in mind for tomorrow only once a day correct?
Toren
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In that case, save the Endosurge for a future run. The clomid and Sup3r PCT should be more than enough.
The other three items you have could all be stacked together for a future run. You could also run Cardarine during PCT for this cycle.
Toren
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Once or twice a day is fine. When I did 3 pumps ED, I would do 2 after my morning shower and 1 after my evening workout/shower. I like to split dose just about everything.
Toren
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Low Test sides would be the only risk of not using a 'Test' base. Low Test symptoms can be wide ranging and not fun if it strikes you in a strong way. It's better to be prepeared for that possibility, even if you don't use or need the supporting compound. Other risks from using SARMS stand on their own.
Toren
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Not using a 'Test' base will not add to the supression. Supression may infact be more dramatic when using a 'Test' base (depending on substance) but you should not feel it as the base will help to make you feel like supression is not occuring. The base is meant to make you feel normal so that you can continue to train just as hard if not harder than before the cycle. When we feel lethargic because of low T symptoms, it is often times hard to train and sometimes even perform normal duties. I have not seen LGD cause severe low T symptoms but that doean't mean it can't happen. Everyone will respond to the compound differently.
Edit: Maybe I misunderstood your question. Yes, sometimes a 'Test' base can add to the supression. For instance, if you were to use a base such as Dermacrine on a standalone regimen, supression would be minimal. If you were to use a base such as Trestolone in a standalone fashion, supression would be very heavy. A similar thing would happen when stacking the two compounds with something else. So it does depend on the base you are using. Keep in mind though that the milder the base and cycle you run, the easier/quicker it should be to recover.
Yes, supression is supression but there are varying degress as far as how low your T gets and how low your FSH and LH get. People will argue that there is no difference in supression but I guarantee you a recovery (back to baseline) from a 6 week DHEA run will be MUCH quicker than a 12 week Test/Trest cycle. The argument that supression means anything where your T levels are sub-optimal becasue of exogenous androgen stimulation can be considered both accurate and semantical at the same time. At this point we are arguing definitions.
datsthat
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Only thing your risking? Your risking a lot more than that.
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Yeah I'm thinking to maybe take cardarine pct I kind of want to combine it with ostarine though that's what I had In mind for cutting maybe with Epistane or something idk.
Toren
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Ostarine and Epistane would be a great combo for a cut! The Osta should help with joint issues that people sometimes have on a dry compound such as Epistane. People think the joint healing benefits from Osta come solely from increased Estrogen and therfore more water inside the joints. That may be true in some cases but even with really low Estrogen, the joint healing benefits on my first Osta run were impressive.
Having run Cardar1ne for 2 months+ in my last PCT, I would suggest saving it for PCT. It definitely heped me maintain some of my gains during PCT but I am not sold on it's fat loss benefits. It is helpful but there are much better options. Another thing to consider is that GW501516 (Cardarine) can often times increase appetite and cause some low blood sugar issues for people which makes you want to eat more. I find the key with GW is to keep your meals consistent and regular and you won't have the serious blood sugar drops. There has also been some talk about the compound hindering muscle gain on cycle but I don't think there is much proof here. Still, I think it is best suited for PCT. Lower BP (some), increased energy and endurance and a benefit in maintaining gains is all great for PCT.
Stacking Cardarine with a TD Epicatechin product could makes for a great PCT (with SERM of course). Endurance, energy, muscle retention, increased exercise capacity would all be great for a PCT where you came off a cut from Ostarine and Epistane or even just one of those compounds if you wanted.
As far as the Dermacrine goes, just spread it over your skin and let it dry. There is no need to massage it in. It will dry very quickly.
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Ok thanks I'm running LGD right now and I can always buy more cardarine and run it pct now and in the future or with a stack. And I guess I'll figure out something to do with that turbo endosurge they threw in there what do you think about anafuse vs epic unleashed
Toren
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I haven't tried either one, although I have done plenty of research on them. I have seen solid feedback for both although I have seen a lot more feedback for OL Ep1c Unleashed. Personally, I like the idea of stacking (-)- Epi with Laxogenin but both compounds seem to work for some and not for others. I think with Epi you don't get that on feeling so people tend not to think it works but after you stop taking it, you start to see that maybe it had been working but the increased endurance and exercise capacity was gradual so not noticed. I actually just started taking a de-caffeniated EGCG (Epi) product for another reason and will see if I notice any benefits. I am taking 250mg/day right now and will bump to 500mg soon enough. It does not have a fancy delivery system so we will see.
If I had to choose between the two, I would probably choose Ep1c Unleashed transdermal. You can probably get it at a good sale price during the black Friday deals coming up.
Maybe somebody else who has tried both of those products can compare them for you...