Started, No turning back log!

Now that you know you are lactating, leave the glands alone. I made the mistake of checking them every 4 hours and it only aggravates the problem, providing feedback for the loop. Try the B-6 first, but if it doesn't work, I am quite confident that dostinex will. A dopamine agonist was the only successful treatment for my milky tatas.
 
Yea I dont think the Nolva is realling hurting the lactating much. I was running B6 WAY high for the 1st week (600mg) then tapperd down after i heard this was a dangerous dose (nerve damage?) I am running 200mg daily with Nolva beeing cut to 20mg starting 2nite. I havent sqeezed since the no squeeze day and dont really want to. Im going to run Cabergoline for a few weeks @ .5mg every 3days and taper to .25mg just to be safe and make sure its gone. I will be running B6 until march probably. And Nolva for another 4 weeks (6 weeks total 60/40/20/20/10/10).

Piston i feel bad for ya man. This cycle hasnt been to freindly to you. I hope Ubi can help u straighten things out.......o yea what is the chemical name for Rolax. I think I may use this is the future.
 
pistonpump said:
what is your program?
what is your Adex dosing?
Yes, gains are slower compared to what we are used to with orals.
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I do a push/pull split:
Push - Chest/Legs supersetted. 5-6 sets for each. Then, I move to shoulders and hit 5 sets. Then 4-5 sets for tris and 10-15 mins of low intensity cardio.

Pull - Upper Back/Calves/Abs supersetted. 5-6 sets for upperback/calves and 4 sets for abs. Then I superset traps and lower back with 4-5 sets on each. Last is biceps for 4-5 sets and then low intensity cardio for 10-15 mins.

Each workout typically lasts an hour. I do mon/tues on then wednesday off then thurs/fri on and the weekend off.

Adex is dosed at .5mg EOD. This has been sufficient...bloat is pretty low.
 
Just to chime in with my experience...I had a constant gland problem stemming from my first cycle. As a test I am doing a small run of Superdrol with the following protocol:

Weeks 1-4 (Pre-Cycle)
Nolva 20mg
Letro .5mg ED

Weeks 5-8 (Cycle)
Drop Nolva
Letro 1mg ED
Tumeric
B6 200mg ED

Then I will reintroduce Nolva in Post Cycle while tapering off the Letro..I have had no flareup at all, in fact, my gland has gotten smaller..
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Just to chime in with my experience...I had a constant gland problem stemming from my first cycle. As a test I am doing a small run of Superdrol with the following protocol:

Weeks 1-4 (Pre-Cycle)
Nolva 20mg
Letro .5mg ED

Weeks 5-8 (Cycle)
Drop Nolva
Letro 1mg ED
Tumeric
B6 200mg ED

Then I will reintroduce Nolva in Post Cycle while tapering off the Letro..I have had no flareup at all, in fact, my gland has gotten smaller..
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I will have to look at your log (a very long one..) and see what you did exactly from the moment you addressed the problem until post PCT. Did you ever squeeze to see if you were lactating?

Tumeric?
 
I shot 500mg test and 300mg eq today im going to bump up the test since its the middle of the cycle. Anyway im getting good pumps all day and last workout my forearms were so pumped i thought a vein would bust thru my arm! Right now they are a little painful to the touch(forearms). I hit the beach the last two mondays so i dont know if it is the tan or if i am really getting ripped. I feel great muscle wise just this pesky annoying nipple/gland thats bumming my trip lol.

Although i have not ran HCG and i dont know how it will effect me personally, I suggest it for a cycle like this. I dont think its too late either but im goin to focus on addressing a bigger problem, this b1tch tit i got growing...errrr.

BTW, injections are so easy now i feel i could inject eod maybe even ed.
 
Good to see things are looking up for you. Well other than the nip situation. Mine is slowly going away with the Cabergoline. The thing is since I started to Cabergoline I have been haveing THE MOST vivid dreams ever. I dont know if the Cabergoline has anything to do with it but its kinda freaking me out.
 
This past week i have gotten so many comments on how thick i look haha feels good.

libido is at a cycle high

definition is wonderful

strength is climbing

the newest thing has been my appetite, I wake up in the middle of the night so hungry. Im getting alot more hungrier than before but i still feel like im losing fat so this is a great thing.

Im taking acidophilus for the first time hope that really helps me digest all the extra food throughout the day.

I also started 400mg Vitamin B6 yesterday. I will stay at that dose along with 60mg nolva and .5mg Adex ed. Once my raloxifene comes in, I will run that and stop the nolva. Staying on ralox the rest of the cycle while tapering the dose. (per the advise of DR. D and Ubi)

I squeezed today out of curiousity and i still have lactation. Isnt it just SWELL!!! lol fck! I wonder if i should get some cabergoline or some vitex (chasteberry). Im leaning more toward getting some vitex, but is it redundant to take with the B6?
 
People take Vitex and B-6 at the same time around these parts.. take that for what it's worth.

watch it on your B-6 dosage.. It supposedly can cause nerve damage, something about affecting the basal ganglia... although it's apparently reversable... if you get headaches, lower the dose.

I didn't mean to scare you away from Cabergoline... I just wanted to make sure that you knew how important the normal functioning of your NeuroEndocrine system is, and how people may take such things lightly..

For example, people started taking it just for the shortened refractory period after orgasm, allowing multiple orgasms, or much less time in between sessions. Prolactin is basicaly what makes you lose your erection after orgasm.

That's kind of a trivial priority in the grand scheme of your brain chemistry. :)

Anyways, back to your progress.. I hope you conquer this little obstacle.. I'm sure you'll find a way. It's been repeated many times on this board, that people respond differently to different compounds. Thus they must learn some things for themselves, with the added tools of info from their peers.
 
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I need to brush up on my gyno, progesterone, prolactin, and all that other stuff. I'll try and do that then ask more questions later. Im on the verge of asking questions i might look like a dumba55 about....

Im assuming getting a full blood test would be a bad idea seeing how im on 500mg test ew.
 
day 64

Well get this, I look in the mirror and i look more muscular and vascular but when i step on the scales im still at 212 lbs. I dont know what is going on but i thought I would be somewhere in the 225lb range at the end of this cycle. It is somewhat dissapointing.

yesterday I had a good workout; shoulders and bi's but no gains in strength.

I havent squeezed nipples to see if im still having discharge but I did get my Raloxifene yesterday and took 120mg. Im going to take 40mg 3x ED for the rest of December at least.

Im eating alot i mean at the very least 4000 cals upwards to 6000 calories ED and still having trouble putting on weight. This has been more of a recomp cycle so far.

Im debating whether or not i should do a short run of M1t I just want some size really Maybe if I did a 2 weeker of M1t?

i think that these SERMS and the AI are hindering my gains. Should I change my Adex dose down to EOD and then taper off? I was thinking of running proviron @ 50mg ED from here on out.... share opinions plz.
 
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just squeezed slightly....still there, not to mention my nipple is so sensitive i can just feel my shirt rubbing against it. I was feeling and although the hard lump has gone down in size i feel like i have breast tissue already. God, either im the dumbest person or just the most unlucky in the world. Seems like whatever could or can go wrong actually does. I have to get some Vitex and Cabergoline ASAP.

Im just beginning to wonder if my gyno is so far that i am lactating because of it or is it really a prolactin level problem?

Should I go to the doctor or will the test levels just flag that im on steroids?
 
pistonpump said:
just squeezed slightly....still there, not to mention my nipple is so sensitive i can just feel my shirt rubbing against it. I was feeling and although the hard lump has gone down in size i feel like i have breast tissue already. God, either im the dumbest person or just the most unlucky in the world. Seems like whatever could or can go wrong actually does. I have to get some Vitex and Cabergoline ASAP.

Im just beginning to wonder if my gyno is so far that i am lactating because of it or is it really a prolactin level problem?

Should I go to the doctor or will the test levels just flag that im on steroids?
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I think some of your problems may be steming from jumping from designer orals......but thats just my opinion. I would go to the doctors and get tested. i think my doc knew what was up with me somewhat....I mean most guys my age dont come in with a 375 natty test level, high-normal liver & prolactin functions with a werid Cholesteral readings.

I would stay away from the M1T until u get all the estrogen problems totaly under control.

A wise man once told me this , honestly bro i would think getting your body back to homeostasis would be the best thing. Im sure after my 4 month cycle i will want to run another one (no doubt) but we have existing problems that need to be addressed first or it will just get even more aggitated IMO.

They said once you start cycling it wont be your last and you will always want to do a cycle. This is true i think but like anything we need to practice self restraint.

That man was you...... ;)
 
Don't hesitate on that vitex man!!! It has really been beneficial in halting lactation production for me. It's cheap compared to caber/dost.
 
Distilled Water said:
I think some of your problems may be steming from jumping from designer orals......but thats just my opinion. I would go to the doctors and get tested. i think my doc knew what was up with me somewhat....I mean most guys my age dont come in with a 375 natty test level, high-normal liver & prolactin functions with a werid Cholesteral readings.

I would stay away from the M1T until u get all the estrogen problems totaly under control.

A wise man once told me this , honestly bro i would think getting your body back to homeostasis would be the best thing. Im sure after my 4 month cycle i will want to run another one (no doubt) but we have existing problems that need to be addressed first or it will just get even more aggitated IMO.

They said once you start cycling it wont be your last and you will always want to do a cycle. This is true i think but like anything we need to practice self restraint.

That man was you...... ;)
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Haha that was some good advice wasnt it lol! ill heed that advice thanks man. id give you reps again but....
 
I wouldn't stress about weight at all, it is simply a number. Body composition is such a complicated ordeal, with so many competing processes inherent that guaging your process on a simple number, which if I may add sometimes seems to go up and down without end, is pretty fruitless. Focus on how you look and feel, personally, and to a lesser degree the compliments you receive. Stop looking at the scale and I can guarantee you will be a much happier guy.
 
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Also I saw on an earlier post you mentioning my log, that protocol is not in there; it was what I am doing now.
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I was referring to what you did when you developed the lump on your test cycle. You are doing you precycle loading that you mention above, now? Meaning you are hitting another cycle?

As far as the weight goes, you are right. It fluctuates on end time and time again and is so complicated i dont think we can use it as an actual gauge of what is gained etc.....Ill keep my focus off of that. Thanks Mullet.

Everyone I really hate to say this but the "I told you so" applies to me. We all know Glenihan and other experienced guys say Test only cycle is the best first injectable cycle well I decided to take it a step further. When I look at it now I would have just ran Test E or C for 10-12 weeks...I have many reasons for this logic now and agree 100%. I mean, you can run more that is for sure but is it needed? Not that I think EQ is giving me the sides or this and that, as i dont think that is the case but I could have waited for the next cycle.... With that being said if I wasnt shooting EQ all this time I would probably end this cycle short but, since EQ takes a while and I dont want to have one vial sitting here Im going to use it all and ride the cycle until all the injectables are used up. People who have never pinned take it from an ex-nonbeliever, if you decided on injecting, use a long ester testosterone for 10-12 weeks only.
 
Great Post Piston.

I am in mid-week10 of my Test E @ 600mg cycle. My weight has stayed about the same for the last 4-5 weeks. Some of it may have been due to the IGF-1 run I did which seemed to lean me up but to be honest, I don't feel strong anabolic effects anymore. I did a Pheraplex jumpstart and that packed on some weight so I was contemplating throwing in some SD for 3 weeks but I decided against it because I want to see what pure Test does for me. I originally planned on running the cycle for 14 weeks but I'm debating ending it at 12. Recovery should be fine since I'm running HCG but I really felt a dropoff in gains.

I feel that perhaps I was overtraining. My old plan was a push/pull split where I hit every muscle group HARD (5-6 sets) two times per week. I am taking this week off and I am going to switch up my program in week 11 to a 4-day split, hitting each muscle group only once per week. I am hoping that this will initiate some gains but if not, I will probably cut the cycle short.
 
Day 70

Well I have some updates on the nipple ***** tit situation. Ever since taking my 80mg Ralox in the morning and 80mg dose before bed my nipple size has gone down. I will now be taking 40mg during the day and 80mg before bed for possibly the rest of the cycle. I also started on 300mg NOW Vitex 2 days ago that i take before bed. I have been taking 400mg B6 for a few weeks now and I will drop that down to 200mg and run that for the rest of the cycle with ralox and vitex. My sensitivity has gone down as well and overall its looking like it has improved greatly although I dont want to get to happy hence the use of these supplements the rest of the cycle.

As far as body, I have been holding a lot more water lately even while maintaining my .5mg ed Adex. I believe this is from diet but I am actually liking it, it will help me really bulk up for the rest of the cycle and water is important anyway for size. In my eyes you cant gain mass really without retaining water, which you will probably lose alot of water weight post cycle but the muscle gain in my opinion will be more than if you stayed dry. Just a personal theory i guess...

Ive been a horn dog of late, and acne is starting to bother me for the first time of the cycle. Minor lower back pumps a few days ago, nothing i cant handle. Im still getting terrible what feels like pumps but i dont know for sure, in my right inner forearm, I have huge veins there so i dont know if that is why or if it might be minor tendonitis. That brings me to another thing, as soon as i get my lazy a55 to capping some cissus i have then i plan on adding that to the supplement arsenal.

weighed in at 214
 
Good to see things are turning around for you. Im done with P.C.T and feel great again....finally. I start cutting 2maro and will start the Tri-Lean system +pGH (IM delivary) on monday.

Your gonna have to tell me what your doesing protocol was for your Anti-E's or what u think worked best. I'm thinking about doing a 12-15 Test-E cycle this summer/fall. Maybe with some Anavar at the begginging and end (4n4). Baseball friendly :) . Since u and I have similar size, bf, and estrogen problems I think i can learn a thing or 2 from you....lol
 
Distilled Water said:
Good to see things are turning around for you. Im done with P.C.T and feel great again....finally. I start cutting 2maro and will start the Tri-Lean system +pGH (IM delivary) on monday.

Your gonna have to tell me what your doesing protocol was for your Anti-E's or what u think worked best. I'm thinking about doing a 12-15 Test-E cycle this summer/fall. Maybe with some Anavar at the begginging and end (4n4). Baseball friendly :) . Since u and I have similar size, bf, and estrogen problems I think i can learn a thing or 2 from you....lol
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Definately.

Nothing much to my dosing protocol for Anti-E's. I pretty much started at the start of week 4 taking .5mg Arimidex tabs each day. Ive been doing so ever since, up until a week ago where i switched to .5mg Eod. I actually think for me on next cycle i would run a weaker SERM or one at a low dose to prevent gyno as AI's just dont seem as good for gyno protection for me. Next (if and when there is) Cycle I think i would go with 40-60mg Raloxifene ED with the neccassary ancillaries (caber, nolva, letro, adex, aromasin etc..) on hand.

Im actually thinking of using 50mg Proviron ED to end my cycle but not sure if i should taper off the Arimidex completely first....Id like to get a glimpse at what proviron has to offer as an Anti E.
 
Good luck on the rest of your cycle and nice progress, piston.

Its sad to see that you are gyno-prone but you're making good gains anyway.

I got about a month more on mine and finally passed my plateaue by taking a 12-day break. Trying to recomp now, right around 200 pounds.
 
MattHines said:
Good luck on the rest of your cycle and nice progress, piston.

Its sad to see that you are gyno-prone but you're making good gains anyway.

I got about a month more on mine and finally passed my plateaue by taking a 12-day break. Trying to recomp now, right around 200 pounds.
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Matt are u logging yours? If so, where is it at?
 
Distilled Water said:
Matt are u logging yours? If so, where is it at?
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No log but I got it all in my head. So far I'm up nearly 15 pounds and have a big decrease in bodyfat. I have learned a lot so far and was actually overtraining for a little while. Now I'm back on track and still got another month+ on cycle. IGF-1 is awesome stuff and I cant wait to run it again during PCT.

I have hit 4 diff injection spots so far and Im going to hit quads next week. I have noticed that you have to do a few injections in a muscle group before they start to get painless so I will have experience hitting 5 different spots by the end which will help in future cycles.

I'm glad I did Test E only after reading what piston ran into. Now I know exactly how I feel on pure test so I can easily tell whats changing in future cycles.

I have also learned more about diet and training with this cycle. For instance, its hard to eat enough veggies to get up to 5000 cals. I like dense foods now--chicken and brown rice is where its at! Easy to eat, tasty and calorie dense!

After this cycle, I will be a very lean and solid 200 which is a good base. I am already thinking about my next cycle but I plan to stay off for a while and try out some new supps. Overall, this has been an excellent experience!! Nothing compares.
 
MattHines said:
No log but I got it all in my head. So far I'm up nearly 15 pounds and have a big decrease in bodyfat. I have learned a lot so far and was actually overtraining for a little while. Now I'm back on track and still got another month+ on cycle. IGF-1 is awesome stuff and I cant wait to run it again during post cycle therapy.

I have hit 4 diff injection spots so far and Im going to hit quads next week. I have noticed that you have to do a few injections in a muscle group before they start to get painless so I will have experience hitting 5 different spots by the end which will help in future cycles.

I'm glad I did Test E only after reading what piston ran into. Now I know exactly how I feel on pure test so I can easily tell whats changing in future cycles.

I have also learned more about diet and training with this cycle. For instance, its hard to eat enough veggies to get up to 5000 cals. I like dense foods now--chicken and brown rice is where its at! Easy to eat, tasty and calorie dense!

After this cycle, I will be a very lean and solid 200 which is a good base. I am already thinking about my next cycle but I plan to stay off for a while and try out some new supps. Overall, this has been an excellent experience!! Nothing compares.
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Thats awsome because If i got enough coin saved up I was going to run somthing similar with the Test-E +IGF-1. its easy to research that Anavar.

What mg did u run your test and for how long?

Did u use any SERM's OR AI's?

How did u run the IGF-1, and for how long? How long do u plan on useing it P.C.T.

Sorry piston i didnt mean to hi-jack this thing, I know your interested to....lol
 
Distilled Water said:
Thats awsome because If i got enough coin saved up I was going to run somthing similar with the Test-E +IGF-1. its easy to research that Anavar.

What mg did u run your test and for how long?

Did u use any SERM's OR AI's?

How did u run the IGF-1, and for how long? How long do u plan on useing it P.C.T.

Sorry piston i didnt mean to hi-jack this thing, I know your interested to....lol
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IGF looks damn interesting. I have a few more months on cycle and i hope i can get some IGF for PCT.

Im making good progress now and really feeling strong.
 
Distilled Water said:
Thats awsome because If i got enough coin saved up I was going to run somthing similar with the Test-E +IGF-1. its easy to research that Anavar.

What mg did u run your test and for how long?

Did u use any SERM's OR AI's?

How did u run the IGF-1, and for how long? How long do u plan on useing it P.C.T.

Sorry piston i didnt mean to hi-jack this thing, I know your interested to....lol
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If you get 1mg of IGF-1 LR3 and run it at the protocol I used, it will last you for 3 seperate 4-week runs so this stuff really is relatively inexpensive if you use it conservatively.

The way I dosed it was 40mcg twice/week - Mon/Fri. I pinned it immediately postworkout in the muscles trained (I did all bis/tris). Check out this thread by Grunt. Invalid Link Removed It is what I based my dosing from. It gave me great gains while decreasing bodyfat. It is a different type of growth and it lasts for months after you stop using it. I'm going to run it the same way in PCT. Good ****.

I did 600mg/week Test E for 14 weeks..currently on week 11
Jumpstarted with pheraplex @ 20mg for 5 weeks
HCG @500iu/week starting week 6
.5mg Adex EOD
 
MattHines said:
If you get 1mg of IGF-1 LR3 and run it at the protocol I used, it will last you for 3 seperate 4-week runs so this stuff really is relatively inexpensive if you use it conservatively.

The way I dosed it was 40mcg twice/week - Mon/Fri. I pinned it immediately postworkout in the muscles trained (I did all bis/tris). Check out this thread by Grunt. Invalid Link Removed It is what I based my dosing from. It gave me great gains while decreasing bodyfat. It is a different type of growth and it lasts for months after you stop using it. I'm going to run it the same way in PCT. Good ****.

I did 600mg/week Test E for 14 weeks..currently on week 11
Jumpstarted with pheraplex @ 20mg for 5 weeks
HCG @500iu/week starting week 6
.5mg Adex EOD
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So U split the dose in each body part, 20mcg each pec/lat/quad/hams/bi's/tris/delt...or whatever was trained on Mon & Fri or whatever 4 day split I choose....U get what Im getting at?

Neways thanks for the help im def gonna give this a serious look. So u run IGF-1 LR3 for 4 weeks then how long of a break or what do u use to post cycle in a sense ur IGF-1, I seen the IBE oral IGF-1, but thats expensive?


Thanks...again sorry piston......but i know your loveing every second of it as much as i am....lol
 
Distilled Water said:
So U split the dose in each body part, 20mcg each pec/lat/quad/hams/bi's/tris/delt...or whatever was trained on Mon & Fri or whatever 4 day split I choose....U get what Im getting at?

Neways thanks for the help im def gonna give this a serious look. So u run IGF-1 LR3 for 4 weeks then how long of a break or what do u use to post cycle in a sense ur IGF-1, I seen the IBE oral IGF-1, but thats expensive?


Thanks...again sorry piston......but i know your loveing every second of it as much as i am....lol
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just whatever u trained. a total of 40mcg split into each side--20mcg per side. so lets say u do a typical 3-day split and want to hit it on chest/tri day. work tris last then go inject 20mcg into each side. No need for any type of PCT with this stuff but you should take 4 weeks off from using it for receptors to upregulate. if you take it for too long, it gets less effective but with taking it EOD or E3D, it seems you can take it for much longer without a decrease in effect. I still say go 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. I'm mainly going to use it in PCT to keep gains from now on.
 
MattHines said:
just whatever u trained. a total of 40mcg split into each side--20mcg per side. so lets say u do a typical 3-day split and want to hit it on chest/tri day. work tris last then go inject 20mcg into each side. No need for any type of post cycle therapy with this stuff but you should take 4 weeks off from using it for receptors to upregulate. if you take it for too long, it gets less effective but with taking it EOD or E3D, it seems you can take it for much longer without a decrease in effect. I still say go 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. I'm mainly going to use it in PCT to keep gains from now on.
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I see.....Well Matt u have been a huge help and this summer when im 5'9" 215 and 8%BF....:run: u and Piston will be the ones to thank..lol.

The only thing is I use a 5 day split.
Mon-Chest/front delts
Tue-Back/rear delts/traps
Wed-Legs
Thur-Tri's
Fri-Bi's

Hrm.........I'll think of somthing

Piston whats your take on all this and Whats the cycle looking like, how you doing?
 
im getting all the andro sides now. well not all but i feel like im on cycle pretty much. Acne is starting to build and im getting a pimple here and there on my chest and shoulders which i havent had a problem with in years.

My lifts have gone up and muscles are fuller, im definately gaining now. I always have appetite but now im just eating more than i need to i think and im gaining some belly fat but you know, honestly ive never had a problem losing it when i diet so i dont mind. After all i am bulking right? I still dont know why im not gaining weight when im overall bigger.

If anyone has specific questions let me know.

I know i missed the hole purpose of a classic log but this is more of just a review of effects and such i guess to share my first experience injecting. :)
 
Distilled Water said:
I see.....Well Matt u have been a huge help and this summer when im 5'9" 215 and 8%BF....:run: u and Piston will be the ones to thank..lol.

The only thing is I use a 5 day split.
Mon-Chest/front delts
Tue-Back/rear delts/traps
Wed-Legs
Thur-Tri's
Fri-Bi's

Hrm.........I'll think of somthing

Piston whats your take on all this and Whats the cycle looking like, how you doing?
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A 5-day split is PERFECT for igf-1 use. You can inject twice a week --Mon/Thurs or Tues/Fri or Mon/Fri or you can inject three times per week Mon/Wed/Fri
 
Piston, I still haven't gained much on this cycle of test e solo. My Dad is doing this cycle with me and he has gained a lot of weight. I think I look bigger, but I expected more from the scale so far. I'm going to do 100mg/day prop for the last 20 days for a finisher.
I like pinning. I'm on my 13th injection and I haven't hit the same spot twice. So far I've done glutes, quads, lats, delts, pecs, traps and now I'm on calves. Pecs are my favorite so far.
I've been using letro for a while and I think it may be hindering gains but I have gyno from puberty and an m1t cycle quite a while back. I'm going to drop the letro and use nolva 40mg/day unless I start getting sesitive nips. If that happens I'll go back to letro until the end.
I'm using HCG which helps almost immediately if you notice some shrinkage, so that's nice. I have clomid and torimifene on hand for pct.
I hope I make some more gains because this is a lot of work and money, and I'm not sure I couldn't have made my current gains naturally.
 
Just got to this log! Interesting read. I have to agree about Test only being the best first injection cycle. I ran an SD + Test E first inject cycle. I ended up loving SD, but I couldn't distinguish what compounds were causing what side effects. I definitely think SD aggravates my gyno more than anything else.

Had I taken it one compound at a time, I would probably hold more muscle and more hair on my head now.

I am highly intrigued by IGF but I know I am nowhere near prepared to run it soon. I have a lot of research to do before even considering it.

The prices for it are very reasonable now though which is probably the biggest factor that makes it more appealing to me.
 
Cardinal said:
Just got to this log! Interesting read. I have to agree about Test only being the best first injection cycle. I ran an superdrol + Test E first inject cycle. I ended up loving SD, but I couldn't distinguish what compounds were causing what side effects. I definitely think SD aggravates my gyno more than anything else.

Had I taken it one compound at a time, I would probably hold more muscle and more hair on my head now.

I am highly intrigued by IGF but I know I am nowhere near prepared to run it soon. I have a lot of research to do before even considering it.

The prices for it are very reasonable now though which is probably the biggest factor that makes it more appealing to me.
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Cardinal,
Look into Grunt's sticky on the IGF forum entitled "My Take on IGF-1". Grunt knows his stuff! If you use his ptotocol, 1mg (~$100) will last you 2-3 seperate 4 week runs. I just finished my first run with IGF-1 and I love it! I have some ready for use in PCT and however weird it seems, I'm kinda looking forward to PCT.
 
Agreed. 55-110 seems about right to me. I looked at Grunt's thread and it gives a very good protocol to go by. Now I need to read through the rest of that sub-forum.

IGF may end up being a big key to pct down the road for me. That and HCG therapy a la swale.
 
still alive.

stopped the adex

taking 50mg proviron ed

750mg test e ew

getting some bloat now which i dont mind much also getting fat on my stomach from to much carbs.

making nice gains now, slow and steady.

thinking about an oral ending...m1t or winny

looking into hcg cause my nuts at the start of the week just got small like real small its an ego killer for sure. plan was for hcg at first but it didnt go thru now i hope PCT wont be too tough.
 
wow its been a while. this was my first attempt at a log so sorry guys my next logs will be 10x better!

well i have two more pins to go, 1 with eq&test and the other test only.

I started 10mg of m1t today. yikes! i have enough for 15mg for 21 days.

I took about 4-5 days off last week and went to the gym yesterday and had a great workout. I think I may have been overtraining, maybe my whole life.

Still taking Raloxifene 80mg ed
proviron 50mg ed
about 6 grams cissus ed
10grams creatine mono
Replenish pwo
vitamin b6 200mg
vitex 300mg
liv 52 2 tabs ed
cycle support 2 servings ed starting today
occasional stimulant x (1cap)
fish oils
bcaas
multi
hawthorne and coq10

If anyone would like to ask questions or give advice, feel free. I know this log kinda sucked but its a practice log lol. later..
 
Hey piston ..what kind of gains have you made so far?

M1t shuts me down pretty hard after just a week. Not sure if this is a good oral to end with.

Thanks for the log.
 
Piston,
in my opinion, you wayyyyy overdid it for your first go. At least you researched first but you gotta remember, this sport is a marathon, not a track meet.
 
I also would tend to advise against ending with M1t. Isn't this following superdrol also? imo, that wouldn't be a good idea.

A much better idea, would be to end it with prop imo. I am also thinking that for any cycle with partifcularly suppressive compounds, hcg a la swale's protocol seems like a really good call. I have made the mistake of going without it many times.
 
Drop the M1T. you are putting way too many fvcking variables in your first run dude, and you're running away with it. Matt Hines and Cardinal are right. I like M1T, but aren't you battling some Gyno that may or may not have been induced by any one of compounds you stacked?

Don't get greedy. You may have been burnt on your Test, but save your **** for the next run. You're only asking to make your recovery harder.

I would also not throw IGF in just yet..(it's good, but take a break from sticking yourself)... seems you have been spending a lot of dough on Proviron.. save your money and put it into some good post cycle therapy protocol, rest, recover, train with less volume, eat, and get your body ready for a responsible run in the future.

Chill out on the chemical variables. Listen to your body.
 
the money i spent on the proposed cycle and what i actually ended up getting was more than what it was worth. Thats why i dont want to pick up anymore gear or chems for that matter. So sadly, i will be going without hcg this run, and no other things will be purchased besides what i already have in my stash.

I have a bottle of Tamoxifen, 1 bottle of Toremifene, and 14 50mg Clomid tabs for PCT. I want to run the clomid the first week with the Torem, Torem for 4 weeks total but im wondering if that is enough SERM time. How would or would i even need to use the Nolva? Im sure im pretty shutdown.

Also in PCT:
cissus
creatine mono
reduce XT/ leanxtreme
Maca
maybe powerfull


I know its not a marathon, but i figured if im going to be shutdown for this long i mind-as-well use and get the most i can. Well, seems as tho you get burned in this business as well, damnit. Seems i did a SD/PP cycle with no PCT, little if any test (libido was less than normal after the orals stopped), and basically EQ.
I think the gyno symptoms and such have been gone or dormant for a while but im just sticking with the compounds that helped me with that problem so that it doesnt arise again.
we live, we learn.

I dont think i will be able to make the time off period in time for a summer cutter, shucks! guess its natty for a while.
 
Distilled Water said:
Yea nattys not all that bad, ecsp. after everything you have gone thru in the past 90 days or so. Get some anabolic pump and creatine mono and you'll be fine....trust me
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Exactly im looking forward to being natty for a while. I got some Anabolic pump, powerfull, lean xtreme, igf-1, creatine cocktail, etc. to try

should be fun
 
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