Started, No turning back log!

My first was test e with dbol...I got the whole well being thing going on after the first week with the dbol. I didnt feel the test kick in until about the third to fourth week. Youll know. I was getting wood like I was in high school. Torture for us single guys.
 
So uncontrollable frequent boners would be a good sign? lol well actually i feel libido has gone down compared to when i was on superdrol im not quite sure what it is but maybe its the Mtrn....Im moving to a new place at the end of the month so ill have to wait til i get to the new addy before i can get some HCG, my nuts are pretty f*ckin small and its quite a knock on the man ego if you know what i mean haha.

Finally got me a reliable mp3 player, ipod nano, and my first workout with it was so much better. Workouts should be top notch or at least enhance by my new electronic friend.
 
Yeah just plug it in, you don't have to eat the exact same thing everyday just eat the proper amount of macros for any given bodypart, for example you should obviously eat more on leg day than bicep day, IMO. Then just check it off, and you'll know exactly what you ate that day.
 
My little experiment with test in one shoulder eq in the other proved to show that the test is the source of the pain. Eq was painless.

Been on fitday and like I have been estimating my cals are 4k+. I think the test is kickin cause I had some weird dreams last night. I kept waking up with huge erections and my **** out of my shorts in my hand lol. I was imagining giveing mushroom stamps on a few females at a time (all girls which i know)....then i would go back to sleep and i did this about 3-4 times last night. Wood was crazy! I felt like i was coming down with something too these past few days, a la test flu?

I saw a friend at the gym yesterday and i asked him how much he thinks i weigh he said about 160 or 170 tops lol. I told him im 215 and he started trippin. Alot of people i tell my weight to just cant believe it or seriously underestimate me. Does this mean that the phrase "muscle is heavier than fat" applies to me and I am dense?...im not sure, its just always amazed me how people dont really expect me to be 215.

I have a question. Since I will most likely take Arimidex throughout the cycle, I was wondering what will happen when i hit PCT. Do i continue on Arimidex or cease? If i cease what happens to all the estrogen after the rebound? Im not sure what to do when i get to PCT, regarding estrogen rebound from long term AI use.
 
Mix the test and EQ????

Also - I don't think Provirion adds much on SHBG binding - test injections lower SHBG on their own.
 
jmh80 said:
Mix the test and EQ????

Also - I don't think Provirion adds much on SHBG binding - test injections lower SHBG on their own.
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I have been mixing the test and EQ its just my last injection day i decided to try separate shots so i could verify that the stealth test enan was the source of the pain like previously thought.

Would you say the proviron's use is for libido and hardening? I have read numerous times its ability to free up test as well making test dose more effiecient. Im still up in the air as to whether i should go off the adex half cycle and go with proviron for the last portion. Most likely I will save for a later cycle.
 
Mesterolone, Stananzolol, Drostanolone.. these all have a high affinity for SHBG.

Jimmyho, where did you see that Exogenous test lowers SHBG? I was under the impression it actually would raise your SHBG due to your body's predisposition for homeostasis.
 
did 2cc in right ventro this morning easy as pie and no pain. awesome inj. sight. Hair is not looking good thinning and maybe receeding slightly.
 
I bet you sweat your ass off during that pin .. .huh? lol

Hey I was meaning to ask you, what island do you live on? I've only been to Kauai.
 
Ubiquitous said:
I bet you sweat your ass off during that pin .. .huh? lol

Hey I was meaning to ask you, what island do you live on? I've only been to Kauai.
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Im on the island of Oahu and actually that pin was a lot less stressful then the damn glutes. so now i have 6 sites i plan on hitting 2 quad, 2 delts (medial, havent tried the others) and 2 ventros :D

Howd you like Kauai? I can fly free to all neighbor islands but i need a little hottie thats worth bringing with me for some getaway fun lol.
 
Distilled Water said:
Pump i finally found this thread. I wasnt searching that hard but finally here none the less. Yea u are right this log is a mess, but o well we get the idea of things.

Are u using Anabolic Xtrmeme PP or a clone?
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LOL i know what a mess! haha sorry guys.

I found out that its not really PP its Generic Labz PheraMAX which is a ErgoMAX clone. They are very similiar but imo PP is a tad bit better....wish i could find some but i think im going to probably stay away from these designers after this cycle.
 
pistonpump said:
LOL i know what a mess! haha sorry guys.

I found out that its not really PP its Generic Labz PheraMAX which is a ErgoMAX clone. They are very similiar but imo PP is a tad bit better....wish i could find some but i think im going to probably stay away from these designers after this cycle.
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Really???I thought they were the same also. I ran PherMax and it was great but i bloated a bit off it.

SNS makes a PP clone if im correct. u can stil find oit out there
 
Ubiquitous said:
Mesterolone, Stananzolol, Drostanolone.. these all have a high affinity for SHBG.

Jimmyho, where did you see that Exogenous test lowers SHBG? I was under the impression it actually would raise your SHBG due to your body's predisposition for homeostasis.
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Ubes,
There's a study I read somewhere that most steroids actually lower SHBG (I can't remember which ones increase it - maybe D-bol??? That's a guess though).
There isn't much need for an SHBG agent, IMO, on cycle.
 
pistonpump said:
LOL i know what a mess! haha sorry guys.

I found out that its not really PP its Generic Labz PheraMAX which is a ErgoMAX clone. They are very similiar but imo PP is a tad bit better....wish i could find some but i think im going to probably stay away from these designers after this cycle.
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Sorry you had to find out the hard way. As PheraPlex is the straight 2-ene isomer, and Ergo is the mix of the 2and 3-ene isomer. The mixture makes a big difference in those sides you are experiencing. In addition the Bloat can be controlled by lowering your sodium intake. As for the log great stuff so far, I would hate to pin on a hot island, def not ideal.

Ubi i am with you on the VAR. gotta love it. OT I still have not tried but VAR is as Kels and Snoop would say its thats that ish...
 
I stopped the MTRN 2 days ago because i feel it is killing libido and causing what seems to be gyno although it could be any of the other things im on.

Im going to stop the Pmax on Monday. I also added a 10mg AX PP that i have so i will run the last 3 pills the next three days. So, 30PMAX 10PP.

LIbido is pretty dead right now, still getting the morning wood but no desire to do anything sexual really. It sucks.

Strength is pretty good as Im comparing to when i was doing MaxOT style, Im now doing the classic 10rep 3-4sets style and Im really close to the weights i was doing on 4-6 rep range.

Noticing more body hair and thinning hairline. No real change in acne, thank God.

I was in the process of moving and all so I really didnt get to work out that much this week. Im starting to settle down in my new place but still have some things i need to take care of. I believe the test is here although right now it doesnt seem like much. I hope to relieve my stress so that im not so stressful because that leads to increase of cortisol which i dont want.

My left nipple is larger, more sensitive, there is a lump under so i took 60mgs Nolva before bed last night. I am also taking 1mg Adex eod. I really had a feeling that this would happen to me on cycle and im not sure if its the test or the orals. Does it seem like a good idea to run 60mg nolva and adex at the same time until symptoms go down and which shall i continue throughout the cycle with? Right and Left nipples are like day and night. Errrrrr....

Im very vascular now too so i dont want to even imagine whats going to happen once the EQ hits full gear lol. Ill be on veiny SOB!
 
You may need to look into some progesterone control if the anti-e's fail to rid of gyno. Vitex has worked well for me.
 
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Distilled Water said:
PUMP did u get hit by a bus this last week or what????
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LOL haha i was waiting for that. Well I got sick not to mention jumped by three fckin cowards at a bar.....long ass story but they mustve felt intimidated because they didnt even say anything to me i just got punched from the side as i wasnt paying attention and proceeded to attack me from all angles. I guess i got may ass handed to me but cmon whatever that shows no testicles man, the least they could have done was warn me or attack me head on. oh well im not going to sweat it. I also dont have the internet at my new place that i just moved in to so it makes updating this a little tough, sorry.

Clothes are shrinking or im getting bigger.

The scale is not going up much i think because i havent been eating as much as i should. Moving into this new place with new people along with being sick is really kinda throwing things off a bit but im getting right back into it no worries.

weighing in @ 211lbs in the morning.

Weights and endurance in the gym are going up, recovery too. Cant say im seeing much in the appetite department, but vascularity is going up which could maybe be from the increase in strength without increase in much weight or the EQ...? I know that not everyone who takes EQ gets the increase in appetite so maybe it hasnt hit or its not going to for me.

Nothing really noticable as far as sides go besides increased body hair, hair thinning alil and occasional pimples on the face.

Ive really been under alot of stressful situations lately and im finding it a little tough to keep fully disciplined. Im not going to let those things bring my cycle down or even make it less successful than it should be. Im going to stay on a 3 on 1 off workout schedule as i feel recovery is better now and volume has been working well for me of late.

The gyno flare is from the orals im sure its just that i have a gland already under my left nipp from puberty and it flared up the past two times with PMAX (ergoMax clone) and MTRN cycles @ the fourth week. Im sticking with the Arimidex that i started on week four but im taking .5mg ED rather than the .5mg EOD that i had planned. I like chewing up those lil tic-tacs lol.

The wang just hangs now and im not getting as much random erections as before but when its time he likes to imitate redwood trees :bb2: Im thinking i should have waited to start this cycle because i was really planning on HCG but well see, the melons are slowly turning to limes lol.
 
Keep at it pistonpump. Just started reading your log as I don't hit up AM that much anymore. I loved my SD cycle and didn't see any of the joint pain. I loved ergo though... so I'm sure PP was killer.

Ooh... test and eq... my next cycle... I can't wait!!!!!!!!

Keep it up!
 
how many weeks in is this? EQ takes a while to exert outward effects (vascularity, appetite).. and it is a "slow building" compliment to Test, so it's not a dramatic anabolic.. it's a nice mild addition. :)
 
jmh80 said:
Ubes,
There's a study I read somewhere that most steroids actually lower SHBG (I can't remember which ones increase it - maybe D-bol??? That's a guess though).
There isn't much need for an SHBG agent, IMO, on cycle.
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I have read a study about this which reports that SHBG *INCREASES* proportionally with testosterone up to a certain dosage, past which point it plummets.

That would be why some guys are reporting that 4g of testosterone a week makes them grow 10 times more than 1g.
 
Ubiquitous said:
how many weeks in is this? EQ takes a while to exert outward effects (vascularity, appetite).. and it is a "slow building" compliment to Test, so it's not a dramatic anabolic.. it's a nice mild addition. :)
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Ill be starting week 7 tomarrow. About half way thru the injections.

There was talk on other boards about a source( the one i got my test from) saying that he sales fake or weak gear. Im not sure what to believe....I was planning on bumping up the test dose to 750mg week for about two weeks or so then back down to 500, the pulsing method or whatever its called. What you guys think about that? EQ i will definately keep at 600mg unless i start getting major anxiety or bad headaches.

I feel like im getting more muscle but im finding it hard to get past the lbs aspect. I havent seen 215 once this cycle, guess im just used to quick gains when it comes to gear. Its nice tho, bench has gone up 20lbs. Like I said earlier i just need to get my grove back going. I think my diet is really not up to par and i really will be focusing on fixing that over the next few days.
 
I dont see a problem with 750 at your size. 750 feels pretty good to me. I didnt have any major sides or anything. Then again I have never done EQ. At least it might give you an idea what is going on with the gear. I love UGs but thats the risk you take.
 
ryano said:
I dont see a problem with 750 at your size. 750 feels pretty good to me. I didnt have any major sides or anything. Then again I have never done EQ. At least it might give you an idea what is going on with the gear. I love UGs but thats the risk you take.
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Well the stealth test is from a VERY well known UG but since the EQ ester has a longer life im sure the test is working (so its not bunk) because i feel something it is just not real apparent.

Hope i get some new clothes with reciepts this christmas because im to big for my clothes now and i bet mom will by me clothes too small haha.

I need to get my BF measured its been a real REAL long time, all i do is estimate. Id say 12% right now but who knows?
 
piston, a good way to tell that the test is kicking in is increase in core temp. It will seem like you are always warm.

I noticed this around week 3
 
MattHines said:
piston, a good way to tell that the test is kicking in is increase in core temp. It will seem like you are always warm.

I noticed this around week 3
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cant really say i notice a difference...i thought you were running a log. Are you still on your cycle?

Today I shot 2cc in right delt

weight still at 211

lump is still there in my left nipple and it is more sensitive. Right nip no lump or sensitivity so my Arimidex is not keeping it under control...Can anyone help me out with reducing the lump? nolva throughout? letro? Or is it just hormonal imbalances from the test and not really gyno? Id like to stop it here because im not sure what will happen when i come off cycle. Does that make sense?
 
I'm on my cycle but not running a log. I just started week 8. Ive been running IGF-1 and its been leaning me out like crazy. I am eating 4500-5000 cals and still cant gain. I keep losing BF tho so I'm happy. I'm sitting right around 200.

On another note, I'm surprised you didnt go with pure test for your first cycle. It would have definately helped isolate the gyno problem. A lot of people recommend high dosed nolva or letro to get rid of the gyno on cycle.
 
What's up Piston. I'm in week 2 Test e solo. It's my first cycle too. I'm not feeling much yet, but I like doing it. I will also be fighting gyno I'm sure. I'm using adex as well, although I'm probably going to switch to letro. I don't know if anyone anwered your question about PCT, but I know you should drop the adex post cycle. Bridge into the nolva. The nolva should protect you from the rebound of the adex. Thanks for the log. I'm right behind you.
 
MattHines said:
I'm on my cycle but not running a log. I just started week 8. Ive been running IGF-1 and its been leaning me out like crazy. I am eating 4500-5000 cals and still cant gain. I keep losing BF tho so I'm happy. I'm sitting right around 200.

On another note, I'm surprised you didnt go with pure test for your first cycle. It would have definately helped isolate the gyno problem. A lot of people recommend high dosed nolva or letro to get rid of the gyno on cycle.
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If youre not gaining on 4500-5000 cals you might need a change in your exercise program. just a thought.

Im not gaining too much myself but im blaming me not the gear as i have been sloppy throughout this cycle and just personal setbacks along the way...This last half is going to be 10x better im sure.

I figured EQ is so mild and most of its effects are similiar to test I didnt think it would be a bad idea. I am on the lookout for the sides that most experience with it but so far so good.
 
axekick said:
What's up Piston. I'm in week 2 Test e solo. It's my first cycle too. I'm not feeling much yet, but I like doing it. I will also be fighting gyno I'm sure. I'm using adex as well, although I'm probably going to switch to letro. I don't know if anyone anwered your question about post cycle therapy, but I know you should drop the adex post cycle. Bridge into the nolva. The nolva should protect you from the rebound of the adex. Thanks for the log. I'm right behind you.
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Thanks and good luck with yours. Sucks to be gyno prone or have pre existing gland. I was thinking of running nolva throughout the cycle as well but that would be alot of nolva for an extended period of time and im not sure im down with messing with estrogen that much. Im not sure what to do about it really.
 
pistonpump said:
I was thinking of running nolva throughout the cycle as well but that would be alot of nolva for an extended period of time and im not sure im down with messing with estrogen that much.
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Say what? You're taking Arimidex... that is messing with estrogen a hell of a lot more than a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator like Nolva would be.

The real con about running Nolva throughout a cycle is that it is hepatotoxic.

But your reason for not running Nolva compared to Arimidex kind of puzzled me there Piston. The AI is neutralizing a great amount of Aromatase and therefore plummeting Estrogen levels much more than something that would be antagonistic to Breast Tissue and a few other sites but agonistic to estrogen receptors in the Liver (and a few other sites).. it is selective. ;)

Although running both together would certainly be a double barrelled approach to attacking the gland.

In my experience, I have dealt with the dreaded gland by doing just that.. Raloxifene and Exemestane. No more gland.... taper off Exemestane and run low dose Ralox for the rest.
 
Piston im sorry to hear the cylce isn't going to well my friend. Atleast u dont have nipple discharge like i have now. I myslef have pubertal gyno so i know what ur going thru and it blows......I havent been updateing my logs becuase Im freaked out about the discharge (who wouldnt)

U have any input on the subject?

Back to you.....So are u holding stong @ 211 or rollarcoastering? How long have u been running this cycle and do u think ur gonna stick with it?
 
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Piston im sorry to hear the cylce isn't going to well my friend. Atleast u dont have nipple discharge like i have now. I myslef have pubertal gyno so i know what ur going thru and it blows......I havent been updateing my logs becuase Im freaked out about the discharge (who wouldnt)

U have any input on the subject?

Back to you.....So are u holding stong @ 211 or rollarcoastering? How long have u been running this cycle and do u think ur gonna stick with it?
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Thats sad to hear man. Im going to take a look at your log and see what you are doing for PCT then i'll get back to you. I hope you can get some real good help from the vets here im a little to unexperienced to give you really good advice but I will try to help next time i come on.

Ive been 208-213 range all cycle.

I really hate to waste my EQ and have to cut the cycle short so I will probably stay on as planned. If Im not making nice gains by week 10 then I will consider stopping short.
Im at 7 1/2 weeks into the cycle.
 
pistonpump said:
If youre not gaining on 4500-5000 cals you might need a change in your exercise program. just a thought.

Im not gaining too much myself but im blaming me not the gear as i have been sloppy throughout this cycle and just personal setbacks along the way...This last half is going to be 10x better im sure.

I figured EQ is so mild and most of its effects are similiar to test I didnt think it would be a bad idea. I am on the lookout for the sides that most experience with it but so far so good.
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My exercise program seems to be working and I have been completely dedicated the whole cycle. I go 4 days a week with a push/pull split and 10-15 mins of low intensity cardio after. Ive been doing cardio less in attempts to gain more mass but I still appear to be getting bigger although the scale isnt saying it. I think its the IGF-1 leaning me out...we will see once I end my IGF-1 stint and get to pure test. I think the fact that I'm running Adex has something to do with it as well...I'm definately not bloating up. Either way, I'm happy with the gains. I think with injectables, they just come a lot slower than with orals.
 
MattHines said:
My exercise program seems to be working and I have been completely dedicated the whole cycle. I go 4 days a week with a push/pull split and 10-15 mins of low intensity cardio after. Ive been doing cardio less in attempts to gain more mass but I still appear to be getting bigger although the scale isnt saying it. I think its the IGF-1 leaning me out...we will see once I end my IGF-1 stint and get to pure test. I think the fact that I'm running Adex has something to do with it as well...I'm definately not bloating up. Either way, I'm happy with the gains. I think with injectables, they just come a lot slower than with orals.
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what is your program?
what is your Adex dosing?
Yes, gains are slower compared to what we are used to with orals.
 
Hey piston do u think ur cycle would be a baseball player friendly cycle, maybe not superdrol but anavar inplace?

I have a friend whos playing AAA ball. The only guys who get busted for it down there are the guys they want to release anyways. Im not saying im even close to thinking about jumping to the darkside but it would be nice to know........

I think my problem is gone, i squezzed 2day and nothing happened. Weird thing is this is the 2 week mark since i stopped my M1T and word is M1T messes u up up to 2 weeks after your last dose.....go figure
 
Distilled Water said:
Hey piston do u think ur cycle would be a baseball player friendly cycle, maybe not superdrol but anavar inplace?

I have a friend whos playing AAA ball. The only guys who get busted for it down there are the guys they want to release anyways. Im not saying im even close to thinking about jumping to the darkside but it would be nice to know........

I think my problem is gone, i squezzed 2day and nothing happened. Weird thing is this is the 2 week mark since i stopped my M1T and word is M1T messes u up up to 2 weeks after your last dose.....go figure
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Yeah well thanks Distilled i squeezed my nip last night and guess what? drip drip. You dont have it anymore cause you passed it to me!

I took 60mg nolva last night. I want to know if tapering off the Adex and using nolva or Raloxifene(when i get it) would be a good idea???

how would i taper off the Adex as im taking .5mg ed. I dont care about the bloat or whatever i took Adex because i wanted gyno prevention throughout the cycle....guess i should have ran nolva or ralox throughout.

As for your question about baseball player cycle, I dont know cause EQ is detected for a long time. If he gets tested then no, he should take test prop tren ace or something.
 
The metabolites of Tren, as it is a Nandrolone derivative, are detected for quite a while.. I forget the exact time frame, but it is not test-friendly.

I've thankfully never had lactation, but that seems to be a Prolactin issue.
 
Ubiquitous said:
The metabolites of Tren, as it is a Nandrolone derivative, are detected for quite a while.. I forget the exact time frame, but it is not test-friendly.

I've thankfully never had lactation, but that seems to be a Prolactin issue.
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Yes and since i did 3 orals at the start of this cycle im not sure which it is from. I now will never take MegaTRN again ive had nothing good from it really and i think it is the culprit. The superdrol as well, with all the delayed gyno from it it could also be adding to the problem. I also didnt respond very well to superdrol so that is out the window too. Im done with designer orals.

Ubi would you suggest cabergoline then?
 
Try some low dose B-6 and some Vitex at first.. Although I myself have ran Cabergoline a few times, I'm not exactly excited about haphazardly recommending anyone to mess with something that increases secretion of a neurotransmitter such as Dopamine. (or anything that directly affects brain chemistry for that matter)

Caber is a Dopamine Agonist...Dopamine will inhibit Lactotroph secretion (Prolactin), but Dopamine is related to many complex workings that I myself am nowhere near qualified to talk about.. lol

A lot of people report success with Vitamin B-6 at 200mg/d with Vitex Agnus Castus. If you get headaches with this protocol, lower the dose.

All else fails, you can jump on the Caber bandwagon I guess. I know I did... but I'm nuts.
 
Thank you for the advice.

Do you think i should taper off the adex and just run nolva or ralox until the end of cycle or maybe keep adex in there? Im beginning to think it is hindering gains a little bit. Im took 60mg nolva and i intend on staying at this dose at least until I find a better solution.

Since its not an illegal substance can anyone give me a good link to where i can buy some b-6 with vitex? Ill rep you lol.
 
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although I couldn't seem to find straight Pyridoxine (B-6) on Nutraplanet's website, you can just Froogle B-6 or Pyridoxine.. Nature's Way or NOW are good brands.


As for the AI, they are thought to hinder gains, yes, as estrogen is beneficial to all of us.. and eradicating Estrogen will most certainly hinder weight gain... Running that high dose of Nolva isn't good in my mind. I'm much more comfortable with Ralox at 120mg/d than Nolva at 60mg/d. This is of course in reference to running it for the duration.. but you can run Nolva like that until the gland subsides a bit.. My personal preference as stated is Raloxifene with Exemestane to combat gyno.. and then I just taper the AI off and continue Raloxifene at 60mg/d until cessation of cycle, then aggressive PCT.

If you are having Gyno problems, the by all means keep up the AI if you feel it is working, alongside a SERM. I would sacrifice gains over gyno anytime. I'm sorry you are having this negative experience though..
Others may chime in with their opinion or preferred protocol.
 
Ubiquitous said:
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although I couldn't seem to find straight Pyridoxine (B-6) on Nutraplanet's website, you can just Froogle B-6 or Pyridoxine.. Nature's Way or NOW are good brands.


As for the AI, they are thought to hinder gains, yes, as estrogen is beneficial to all of us.. and eradicating Estrogen will most certainly hinder weight gain... Running that high dose of Nolva isn't good in my mind. I'm much more comfortable with Ralox at 120mg/d than Nolva at 60mg/d. This is of course in reference to running it for the duration.. but you can run Nolva like that until the gland subsides a bit.. My personal preference as stated is Raloxifene with Exemestane to combat gyno.. and then I just taper the AI off and continue Raloxifene at 60mg/d until cessation of cycle, then aggressive PCT.

If you are having Gyno problems, the by all means keep up the AI if you feel it is working, alongside a SERM. I would sacrifice gains over gyno anytime. I'm sorry you are having this negative experience though..
Others may chime in with their opinion or preferred protocol.
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Ill continue on the AI and 60mg nolva until i can get some Ralox then i will run ralox at your recommended dose until PCT where i will go with some Toremifene. Ill order some B6 and some Vitex too.
I cant thank you enough man.
 
I forgot to mention, some people on the boards say that Nolva actually increases PR activity in your breast tissue... so that might not be the best choice for a Progestin/Prolactin problem.

There are many schools of thought on this Piston.. as I myself have not dealt with Lactation, I can't say in confidence what will ultimately work for you.
 
Ubiquitous said:
I forgot to mention, some people on the boards say that Nolva actually increases PR activity in your breast tissue... so that might not be the best choice for a Progestin/Prolactin problem.

There are many schools of thought on this Piston.. as I myself have not dealt with Lactation, I can't say in confidence what will ultimately work for you.
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Well, I considered nolva to maybe a source as well. I really feel Ralox through out for the pre existant gyno would be a good idea and Vitamin B6 for lactation. The B6 seemed to work for Distilled Water so im going to go that route. I read some of the benefiets on B6 supplementation too.
 
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