Stallion's first - SARMs

stallionk

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Hey guys,

I've been around the forums for years but finally registered now and decided to take a step.

Background: I'm currently 28 y/o, 5'11 tall and used to be 125lbs (in 2010). Max deadlift was 135lbs and a 90lbs on bench fell on me.

Then decided to change and started stuffing my face + lifting. 9 years later I'm around 195 lbs (18-20% bf) and max lifts were: 225 lbs bench, 385 lbs squat and 455 lbs deadlift.

Have previously cut down body fat to one digit (back in 2015) but its been years now that I've maintained a higher body fat.

My goal is to gain strength and hopefully cut down a bit of fat.

I have looked into 1/4 andro combos but not sure about them.

I want to run a 8 week SARM cycle and have been looking very closely at LGD 4033. I'm in canada so have found a good local source that has liquid LGD.

I want to be sure that I don't permanently suppress myself so want to make sure I do everything to support the cycle and do a PCT.

I would think I'm gyno prone because I have noticed puffy nipples in the past when my body fat is higher, but I have never noticed any lumps or anything like that, and it definitely goes away when body fat is lower. I probably want something that reduces estrogen during cycle. I know LGD doesn't cause gyno but I want to be very sure.

I'm not sure what I want to use for cycle support, suggestions are welcome.

For my PCT (4 weeks) I'm hoping to have Nolva and Clomid on hand. I have not found a source yet but I will in due time. I would probably run these for 4 weeks dosing Nolva/Clomid as: [week] 1 40mg/50mg, [week 2] 40mg/50mg, [week 3] 20mg/25mg, [week4] 20mg/25mg.

Are there any other PCT options that I can consider if I dont find a good source in time. I've read about some Pct products that are over the counter or readily available supplements.

During and after PCT I would also run a test booster that I've always trusted called Adaptogen N, with an ecdy supplement Kre-Anabolyn. These are products that I've used over the years and trust so its also a mental factor.

I want to schedule some blood work before I start the cycle and probably do one after I'm done with SARMs and PCT.

How do you guys feel about the saliva testing kits? I may get one and do one right after cycle to check and log.

Any suggestions are welcome. I will update the thread with current pictures as well.

Great community here btw. Thanks for reading guys!
 
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stallionk said:
Are there any other PCT options that I can consider if I dont find a good source in time.
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“If I don’t find a good source in time”

Don’t ever say this. Always have PCT lined up before your cycle starts. It’s been said that PCT is more important than the cycle itself. Personally, LGD didn’t shut me down at all, but if you’re that concerned, get your proverbial ducks in a row before pulling the trigger.
 
Jeremyk1 said:
“If I don’t find a good source in time”

Don’t ever say this. Always have PCT lined up before your cycle starts. It’s been said that PCT is more important than the cycle itself. Personally, LGD didn’t shut me down at all, but if you’re that concerned, get your proverbial ducks in a row before pulling the trigger.
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Did you get bloodwork or just not feel supressed, I've seen lgd bloodwork drastically lower testosterone, but a couple weeks of Clomid brought it right back. You can but very suppressed and not notice anything is wrong.
 
Jeremyk1 said:
“If I don’t find a good source in time”

Don’t ever say this. Always have PCT lined up before your cycle starts. It’s been said that PCT is more important than the cycle itself. Personally, LGD didn’t shut me down at all, but if you’re that concerned, get your proverbial ducks in a row before pulling the trigger.
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Thanks for your input man! That is definitely not what I meant by not finding it in time.

I will not start anything until I have every planned product recieved and at hand.
 
Ah. To clarify, my first reaction was “in time” as in the end of the cycle. I guess that could have meant before the start of the cycle. If that’s what you meant, I apologize.
 
Jeremyk1 said:
Ah. To clarify, my first reaction was “in time” as in the end of the cycle. I guess that could have meant before the start of the cycle. If that’s what you meant, I apologize.
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All good. what you mentioned is important for any cycle. I'm proceeding carefully as I can.

Do comment about your test levels post cycle and post Pct. With running a SARM do you take any permanent damage to the HPTA or is it only a case of suppression and a healthy rebound after.

Thanks
 
I’m irresponsible and have never gotten blood work. So far, I’ve only run ostarine once at 20mg for 60 days, once at 25mg for 45 days, and LGD 4033 at 10mg for 60 days. Each time, I never had any symptoms of suppression. Energy, libido, erections, etc. were all excellent. I did still do an OTC PCT (Man Sports Nolvadren XT) each time. The Nolvadren actually always ends up giving me symptoms of low estrogen even. Every time, gains were well maintained and still no issues with libido etc. I am now 26 though, so I should probably start using more responsibly. We’ll see if I grow out of that soon.
 
Check the board sponsors for pct equipment. Make sure you got everything on hand BEFORE the cycle. (You wouldn’t want yourself to get gyno and not to be able to kill it FAST)

With that being said. LGD shouldn’t cause gyno. If you have pre existing gyno it may aggravate it though. Andros can cause gyno. (Especially 4AD if you dose it high) I find that prohormones seem to give you all the side effects of steroids (if not more) with far less gains.

Make sure you have an AI just in case. LGD is strong. You’ll start to look like you’re on the gas within 8 weeks if you’re lean enough. Have fun with the cycle It’s a fun time.
 
Jeremyk1 said:
I’m irresponsible and have never gotten blood work. So far, I’ve only run ostarine once at 20mg for 60 days, once at 25mg for 45 days, and LGD 4033 at 10mg for 60 days. Each time, I never had any symptoms of suppression. Energy, libido, erections, etc. were all excellent. I did still do an OTC PCT (Man Sports Nolvadren XT) each time. The Nolvadren actually always ends up giving me symptoms of low estrogen even. Every time, gains were well maintained and still no issues with libido etc. I am now 26 though, so I should probably start using more responsibly. We’ll see if I grow out of that soon.
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Jeremy. With the nolvadren xt which week of the cycle do you start taking it? I am gonna run an 8 week cycle just wasn't sure how many weeks in to start it and run it for
 
I would choose Sarms over andros any day of the week. I also have ran sarms with otc pct before with no issues. I don't get bloodwork and go by feel. You can get suppressed but very rare to get completely shut down. It's my belief that if you feel great, no lethargy, you get morning wood, high libido, then that doesn't mean your not suppressed but should recover fine naturally. If you get shut down you will know about it and so it's good to have the nolva and clomid on hand just in case but don't throw everything at your pct if you feel fine, you can do more harm than good.

This is coming from a married guy in his 40s who already has kids though. If I was told tomorrow I couldn't father any more kids it wouldn't be the end of my world.
 
I start the AI the last week of the SARM. I like to have it start building up a little before I come off. Not sure if that’s the best way, but seems to do fine. With Nolvadren, the first time I took it full dose and felt like **** in about 2 weeks, so I dropped it. This last time, I ran it half dose and by 30 days, I was feeling it bad. I think I likely just have low estrogen to begin with.
 
Mitch_310 said:
Check the board sponsors for pct equipment. Make sure you got everything on hand BEFORE the cycle. (You wouldn’t want yourself to get gyno and not to be able to kill it FAST)

With that being said. LGD shouldn’t cause gyno. If you have pre existing gyno it may aggravate it though. Andros can cause gyno. (Especially 4AD if you dose it high) I find that prohormones seem to give you all the side effects of steroids (if not more) with far less gains.

Make sure you have an AI just in case. LGD is strong. You’ll start to look like you’re on the gas within 8 weeks if you’re lean enough. Have fun with the cycle It’s a fun time.
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Thanks, yeah I'll make sure I have AI and everything else at hand. I will likely do a log when I do start.
 
Putting this on back burner until I can get all the things shipped and here. In the mean time I'm going to try some of the natural anabolics here. Looking at the BLR line up.
I will restart a thread log when I want to start this. Thanks guys!
 
Jeremyk1 said:
I start the AI the last week of the SARM. I like to have it start building up a little before I come off. Not sure if that’s the best way, but seems to do fine. With Nolvadren, the first time I took it full dose and felt like **** in about 2 weeks, so I dropped it. This last time, I ran it half dose and by 30 days, I was feeling it bad. I think I likely just have low estrogen to begin with.
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This is good info to have, bit worried about the feeling **** though? Is this because you ran an AI and the Nolvadren XT had oestrogen suppressant already in it? This would crush oestrogen and make you feel ****.
 
Finding some of the pharma grade stuff (nolva and clomid) has been one hard search. In Canada, but most sites I look at look shady with no way for me to confirm the legitimacy.
Search continues.
 
stallionk said:
Finding some of the pharma grade stuff (nolva and clomid) has been one hard search. In Canada, but most sites I look at look shady with no way for me to confirm the legitimacy.
Search continues.
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I managed to get Nolva off eBay marketed as PCT oestrogen suppressant and the picture had the name half covered. I have had it delivered and it's the real thing
 
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