Its fine with me; I bought Hi-tech Laxo really only need it for my recovery and joints, if it works just as good as regular creatine mono it works for me, cause I can't really take creatine these days I notice the bloating is horrible with me especially in my face no matter how low I get in bodyfat; would literally have stay at 6-7% levels(shredded state) to offset it. I also have an order for follidrone 2.0 I'm guessing its the same as MassMax since they are both epicathen, but seen lots of mixed reviews. I will run both these for the first three weeks add a SARM then after the SARM I'll continue with these products if I like it and add some arimistene to offset estrogen, running only 1 compound so it will be mild; I'm really doubting that I would need nolva/clomid for PCT after doing an S4 cycle.