Answered Stacking BLR Vector with Core Nutritionals Load

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Hi guys,

Starting this stack next week. Core Load is a GDA with big doses, which aims to provide glycemic-impact lowering, insulin sensitizing, and anti-lipogenic factors. Vector, as we know it, is a strong natural anabolic, but just how much of that is attributable to its own GDA properties and would one benefit from stacking the two, or would the law of diminishing returns come into play?

In my mind, Vectors anabolic properties + more nutrient shuttling via different mechanisms and fat blocking from Core Load = epic lean gains, with the potential for fat loss as well, but this isn't going to be cheap to run for 3 months if both are at full dose, so I'm wondering if it will be worth it, or if i should lower the dose on Core Load, or even just not stack the two at all. I will be running Vector at full dose either way. Looking to do some major recomp for the next five months.

Ps. have a month supply of Hydroxycut Next Gen (Red caps) left over from my last cut as well, might throw that in the mix after the 6/8 week mark.

More detailed information on their website available here:

https://www.corenutritionals.com/products/core-load

https://www.blacklionresearch.com/product-page/vector
https://www.blacklionresearch.com/blog (detailed ingredient data for Vector available here)
 
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Core Load is by no means a bad product but good god for that price you could get 2 bottles of SNS Glycophase which I think is a superior product.

If you’re looking to do this for 5 months+ look into CEL Anabolic Effect and SNS Glycophase. You’ll get better results with more ingredients for a cheaper price from a high quality company.

That being said I do think a GDA and natural anabolic pair well together. I would add some Lean Edge a non stim thermogenic. Good luck with your cut keep us posted and don’t waste your money on all these products without having your diet in check
 
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Since Vector's main purpose is not a GDA, I see not reason why you could not use a GDA, and benefit from it. If the GDA has anything that could inhibit mTOR, such as berberine, keep the Vector doses at a time away from the GDA.
 
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Core Load is by no means a bad product but good god for that price you could get 2 bottles of SNS Glycophase which I think is a superior product.

If you’re looking to do this for 5 months+ look into CEL Anabolic Effect and SNS Glycophase. You’ll get better results with more ingredients for a cheaper price from a high quality company.

That being said I do think a GDA and natural anabolic pair well together. I would add some Lean Edge a non stim thermogenic. Good luck with your cut keep us posted and don’t waste your money on all these products without having your diet in check
Cheers for the response! Fair point, but I decided to go for Core Load for two reasons, one is that it doubles as a lipogenesis inhibitor and not just a simple GDA and the other is that with 6 caps I can play around with the doses more to see what works better for me, especially considering the big doses, Initially considered only starting with 2/2 with my pre and post WO meals but wondering if there would be any merit in blasting and cruising at the full 6 caps (3/3 or 2/2/2 with food).

Haven't read a whole lot of feedback on Anabolic Effect which is why I stuck with Vector. Folli, Letrone and Rebirth have treated me nicely in the past, overall great company. And my diet has been progressively dialed in for this run, dropped near 6% BF over the last 8 weeks while maintaining most of my muscle.

I still have a month supply of Hydroxycut left over, any reason to prefer a non-stim over stim fat burner on this stack?
 
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Since Vector's main purpose is not a GDA, I see not reason why you could not use a GDA, and benefit from it. If the GDA has anything that could inhibit mTOR, such as berberine, keep the Vector doses at a time away from the GDA.
The profile does carry 750mg of Berberine, along with 1000mg Chlorogenic Acid, 250mg Gymnemic Acid and 25mg Corsolic Acid. Are any of these other ingredients known to inhibit mTOR? And to what degree would this dose of Berberine affect mTOR ? How would you suggest dosing (i.e. a dosing scheme for both or a minimum number of hours you would suggest waiting if I take Load before Vector and vice versa)? Was thinking of taking 2-3 caps with my pre and post WO meals, but I also want to take Vector in the morning and pre-workout so...

Also is there any benefit to dosing Vector 2/2/2 over 3/3 ? Only real reason I'm leaning towards 2/2/2 is because people have mentioned deeper sleep when taken nearer to their bedtime.
 
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Cheers for the response! Fair point, but I decided to go for Core Load for two reasons, one is that it doubles as a lipogenesis inhibitor and not just a simple GDA and the other is that with 6 caps I can play around with the doses more to see what works better for me, especially considering the big doses, Initially considered only starting with 2/2 with my pre and post WO meals but wondering if there would be any merit in blasting and cruising at the full 6 caps (3/3 or 2/2/2 with food).

Haven't read a whole lot of feedback on Anabolic Effect which is why I stuck with Vector. Folli, Letrone and Rebirth have treated me nicely in the past, overall great company. And my diet has been progressively dialed in for this run, dropped near 6% BF over the last 8 weeks while maintaining most of my muscle.

I still have a month supply of Hydroxycut left over, any reason to prefer a non-stim over stim fat burner on this stack?
Why are you taking a GDA Post workout? That is a waste.
Insulin Sensitivity is very high post-workout from exercise alone which is the best GDA you can have. Using it then just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I personally would consider HPS Glycoshield , or Chaos and Pain Predator. Glycoshield being a higher end GDA while C&P Predator is the cost effective option.
You can even read my review on Glycoshield and check out all my BG readings while taking it to see just how effective it truly is.


Berberine does effect MTOR so you would want to dose away from workouts
 
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The profile does carry 750mg of Berberine, along with 1000mg Chlorogenic Acid, 250mg Gymnemic Acid and 25mg Corsolic Acid. Are any of these other ingredients known to inhibit mTOR? And to what degree would this dose of Berberine affect mTOR ? How would you suggest dosing (i.e. a dosing scheme for both or a minimum number of hours you would suggest waiting if I take Load before Vector and vice versa)? Was thinking of taking 2-3 caps with my pre and post WO meals, but I also want to take Vector in the morning and pre-workout so...

Also is there any benefit to dosing Vector 2/2/2 over 3/3 ? Only real reason I'm leaning towards 2/2/2 is because people have mentioned deeper sleep when taken nearer to their bedtime.
750mg of berberine is sufficient to blunt mTOR, at least in studies. So I would dose 3 caps pre workout. And 3 caps a 2 to 3 hours before dinner, or a couple hours after dinner, depending on what time you go to sleep post dinner. I would keep the Vector a couple hours away from the berberine. Some would say berberine shouldn't hinder mTOR all that much, but if my plan was anabolism, I would make sure that whatever mTOR inhibiting effects was negated. Example, if I take berberine for GDA effect, I make sure to take l leucine or protein a couple hour after dinner to trigger mTOR again.. Just in case. So what you could do; take your GDA, eat your meal, wait, then dose leucine or a protein shake with 3 caps vector.
 
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Why are you taking a GDA Post workout? That is a waste.
Insulin Sensitivity is very high post-workout from exercise alone which is the best GDA you can have. Using it then just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I personally would consider HPS Glycoshield , or Chaos and Pain Predator. Glycoshield being a higher end GDA while C&P Predator is the cost effective option.
You can even read my review on Glycoshield and check out all my BG readings while taking it to see just how effective it truly is.

Apologies, I should have clarified, what I meant to say was that I would take the second dose with my next proper meal after my workout, which is usually my last solid meal of the day. I train around 6-7pm and have 60g Whey with water and some fruit PWO, and don't intend to take it with this but with solid food later on around 9.30pm. Glycoshield and Liposhield are already on my wishlist for my next run :)
 
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If you weren't taking the GDA, I probably would say look into a 2/2/2 protocol that would go along with your meals, but with GDA, I would stick with a 3/3 schedule, dosing once pre workout, and once 6 to 8 hours later, either before or after intake of your last GDA dose.
 
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If you weren't taking the GDA, I probably would say look into a 2/2/2 protocol that would go along with your meals, but with GDA, I would stick with a 3/3 schedule, dosing once pre workout, and once 6 to 8 hours later, either before or after intake of your last GDA dose.
He trains at night (6pm)
he won't be awake 6-8 hours later for another dose of vector
He is better off dosing 3 with first meal of the day, and 2nd pre-workout
 
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750mg of berberine is sufficient to blunt mTOR, at least in studies. So I would dose 3 caps pre workout. And 3 caps a 2 to 3 hours before dinner, or a couple hours after dinner, depending on what time you go to sleep post dinner. I would keep the Vector a couple hours away from the berberine. Some would say berberine shouldn't hinder mTOR all that much, but if my plan was anabolism, I would make sure that whatever mTOR inhibiting effects was negated. Example, if I take berberine for GDA effect, I make sure to take l leucine or protein a couple hour after dinner to trigger mTOR again.. Just in case. So what you could do; take your GDA, eat your meal, wait, then dose leucine or a protein shake with 3 caps vector.
If you weren't taking the GDA, I probably would say look into a 2/2/2 protocol that would go along with your meals, but with GDA, I would stick with a 3/3 schedule, dosing once pre workout, and once 6 to 8 hours later, either before or after intake of your last GDA dose.
He trains at night (6pm)
he won't be awake 6-8 hours later for another dose of vector
He is better off dosing 3 with first meal of the day, and 2nd pre-workout
So this is what my nutrition will look like:

8am Breakfast
11am Whey
2pm Lunch (this is when I plan to take one dose of Load)
5.30/6pm Workout with another shake and fruit right after
9/10pm Dinner (this would be when I take the Second dose of Load)
12/1am Whey

Given this, would Vector not be better dosed at 2/2/2 for sustained release , breakfast, pre WO and with my shake before bed? Is there any real benefit of 2/2/2 over 3/3 or am I being overly critical? Is 3/3 preferred with the GDA to counter the mTOR blunting? And lastly, just how much leucine would you recommend, 2.5g + ? Sorry, I know I have a lot of questions, thank you for your patience and sharing your knowledge with us ! :)
 
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I would do this

8am Breakfast --- Vector 3 caps / LOAD
11am Whey
2pm Lunch -- Vector 3 caps / LOAD
5.30/6pm Workout
Dinner after workout (if you do a shake and eat a meal so soon after there really is no benefit since you dont allow protein to reach its refractory stages before being spiked again)

I dont see the need for 6 protein feedings unless you prefer it. Research shows meals spaced 4-6 hours apart are better for MPS (Muscle Protein Synthesis), plus if you train with an intra-workout BCAA/EAA Beverage you are spiking MPS again between lunch and your dinner.


My 2 cents for you here. reduce meal frequency which yields higher Leucine content at each meal. You want to aim for 3g Leucine in a meal. But if you want to keep doing the 6 feedings that again is personal preference. Research will show otherwise unless you are taking anabolics and have an increased P-Ratio turnover then more feedings would be optimal.
 
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I would do this

8am Breakfast --- Vector 3 caps / LOAD
11am Whey
2pm Lunch -- Vector 3 caps / LOAD
5.30/6pm Workout
Dinner after workout (if you do a shake and eat a meal so soon after there really is no benefit since you dont allow protein to reach its refractory stages before being spiked again)

I dont see the need for 6 protein feedings unless you prefer it. Research shows meals spaced 4-6 hours apart are better for MPS (Muscle Protein Synthesis), plus if you train with an intra-workout BCAA/EAA Beverage you are spiking MPS again between lunch and your dinner.


My 2 cents for you here. reduce meal frequency which yields higher Leucine content at each meal. You want to aim for 3g Leucine in a meal. But if you want to keep doing the 6 feedings that again is personal preference. Research will show otherwise unless you are taking anabolics and have an increased P-Ratio turnover then more feedings would be optimal.
Appreciate it :) As @ValiantThor08 pointed out, the Berberine may to some degree inhibit mTOR signalling and suggested keeping the two dosed a few hours apart from each other, and @brundel did mention in another thread to treat it like an AAS cycle nutrition wise when on Vector which is why I'm considering more feedings. Currently at 4-5 a day as it suits my routine but really want to max out the effectiveness of these two supps. But I agree, if there's no reason I can't do 60-75g protein x 4 meals a day I don't see any added benefit from 40g x 6 meals.

Wouldn't there be an improvement in recovery taking the second dose of the GDA with dinner or is it all the same in the bigger picture?
 
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Appreciate it :) As @ValiantThor08 pointed out, the Berberine may to some degree inhibit mTOR signalling and suggested keeping the two dosed a few hours apart from each other, and @brundel did mention in another thread to treat it like an AAS cycle nutrition wise when on Vector which is why I'm considering more feedings. Currently at 4-5 a day as it suits my routine but really want to max out the effectiveness of these two supps. But I agree, if there's no reason I can't do 60-75g protein x 4 meals a day I don't see any added benefit from 40g x 6 meals.

Wouldn't there be an improvement in recovery taking the second dose of the GDA with dinner or is it all the same in the bigger picture?
GDA with dinner will be unessecary as you will be highly insulin sensetive post workout.
Natural GDA effect.
 
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You are getting a lot of responses so I’m going to try and not be too redundant...

Don’t over think it.

I’m not a huge fan or lots of GDA ingredients on a bulk (specifically things blocking absorption, wasting calories, etc.), but if you want to go with Load that is far from the worst choice you could make.

I’d just keep it away from training, so the suggestions of dosing earlier in the day are what I’d do. I wouldn’t do it post workout or even with that dinner it just doesn’t make sense at that time.

I’d also just dose Vector twice a day and I wouldn’t be worried to take it at the same time as Load they aren’t going to cancel each other out.

Again don’t overthink it and just add the products to an effective diet and training plan, no need to make a whole bunch of changes to tailor around the supplements (it should be the other way around you pick supplements to tailor around and that complements your training/dietary plans/preferences).
 
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It's just my personal preference to take anything that could promote anabolism/mTOR after or before anything that will promote AMPK. I am a stickler/over thinker about certain things. You don't have to be; just my personality.
 
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Great ideas so far posted in here...this is just my two cents on how I would handle the dosing....

8am Breakfast (3 Vector)
11am Whey
2pm Lunch (3 Load)
5.30/6pm Workout with another shake and fruit right after
9/10pm Dinner (3 Vector)
12/1am Whey (3 Load)

Everything is spaced out nicely throughout the day, assuming that is your daily schedule. I like taking GDA's right before bed with some carbs/protein and I always wake up feeling extra lean and vascular.
 
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Great ideas so far posted in here...this is just my two cents on how I would handle the dosing....

8am Breakfast (3 Vector)
11am Whey
2pm Lunch (3 Load)
5.30/6pm Workout with another shake and fruit right after
9/10pm Dinner (3 Vector)
12/1am Whey (3 Load)

Everything is spaced out nicely throughout the day, assuming that is your daily schedule. I like taking GDA's right before bed with some carbs/protein and I always wake up feeling extra lean and vascular.
In theory, wouldn't a pre-bed dose lead to an increase in morning cortisol as depleted blood glucose = raised cortisol as well as the raised HGH? Although both are probably minimal at most...
 
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It's just my personal preference to take anything that could promote anabolism/mTOR after or before anything that will promote AMPK. I am a stickler/over thinker about certain things. You don't have to be; just my personality.
I'm a bit of an overthinker myself so I appreciate the input. :) thank you for the advice !
 
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You are getting a lot of responses so I’m going to try and not be too redundant...

Don’t over think it.

I’m not a huge fan or lots of GDA ingredients on a bulk (specifically things blocking absorption, wasting calories, etc.), but if you want to go with Load that is far from the worst choice you could make.

I’d just keep it away from training, so the suggestions of dosing earlier in the day are what I’d do. I wouldn’t do it post workout or even with that dinner it just doesn’t make sense at that time.

I’d also just dose Vector twice a day and I wouldn’t be worried to take it at the same time as Load they aren’t going to cancel each other out.

Again don’t overthink it and just add the products to an effective diet and training plan, no need to make a whole bunch of changes to tailor around the supplements (it should be the other way around you pick supplements to tailor around and that complements your training/dietary plans/preferences).
Solid advice bro, cheers 👍🏼
 
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In theory, wouldn't a pre-bed dose lead to an increase in morning cortisol as depleted blood glucose = raised cortisol as well as the raised HGH? Although both are probably minimal at most...
Dawn effect. Cortisol and blood sugar is naturally higher by design upon waking. This is normal. Don't sweat it if you take GDA before bed.
 
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Dawn effect. Cortisol and blood sugar is naturally higher by design upon waking. This is normal. Don't sweat it if you take GDA before bed.
Any real benefit to it though? Some people mention better sleep and waking up lean and dry popping a GDA before bed.
 
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Any real benefit to it though? Some people mention better sleep and waking up lean and dry popping a GDA before bed.
Well, as others have mentioned. GDA not too necessary post workout. And you would want to use it with larger carb meals. And its ability to shuttle carbohydrates to your muscle depends on if there is room in your muscle for more glycogen. How about you experiment with GDA dosing and see how you look and feel the next morning?
 
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Well, as others have mentioned. GDA not too necessary post workout. And you would want to use it with larger carb meals. And its ability to shuttle carbohydrates to your muscle depends on if there is room in your muscle for more glycogen. How about you experiment with GDA dosing and see how you look and feel the next morning?
Agreed with this. Try GDA out with your larger meals and see how it works for you personally.
 

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