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Spurfy's Cutting Protocol.

Newth

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In this tread...
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/weight-loss/301105-very-best-all.html

Spurfy put forward this idea...
Spurfy said:
Nicotine patch. Toremifene. Hydrocortisone tablets for breakfast and lunch. Anavar pre-workout. Intermittent fasting. Fasted lifting. One meal a day, at night. High-dose melatonin at bedtime.

You're never going to find anything more effective than this.

But what do I know?
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I can see the logic behind it, the main thing I question is the nicotine patch(appetite suppressant is all I get).

Any thoughts on this would be good to hear especially from those with chemistry education.

Thanks in advance for any input.
 
Newth said:
In this tread...
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/weight-loss/301105-very-best-all.html

Spurfy put forward this idea...


I can see the logic behind it, the main thing I question is the nicotine patch(appetite suppressant is all I get).

Any thoughts on this would be good to hear especially from those with chemistry education.

Thanks in advance for any input.
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Nicotine is one of the most potent thermogenic compounds still legally available OTC, especially when stacked with caffeine. A patch will deliver a steady level over a much longer period.

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It is also a very effective performance booster used pre-workout.

Not to mention a potent appetite suppressant.
 
Apparently you can get excellent spot reduction if you appropriately mix the caffeine and cortisone into a TD application and slap the nicotine patches over the top.

You didnt hear that from me, though.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Nicotine is one of the most potent thermogenic compounds still legally available OTC, especially when stacked with caffeine. A patch will deliver a steady level over a much longer period.

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It is also a very effective performance booster used pre-workout.

Not to mention a potent appetite suppressant.
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That's a lot simpler than I was expecting.
Thank's.
 
This man is either a mad genius or just plain crazy. Either way I’m in to hear responses.

I assume the melatonin is in there to knock you out and give you a deep sleep since it’s difficult to sleep when your in an extreme deficit.

I wish I could slap a nicotine patch on to lose fat haha but I’m an ex-smoker and can’t risk it.
 
YoungThor said:
This man is either a mad genius or just plain crazy. Either way I’m in to hear responses.

I assume the melatonin is in there to knock you out and give you a deep sleep since it’s difficult to sleep when your in an extreme deficit.

I wish I could slap a nicotine patch on to lose fat haha but I’m an ex-smoker and can’t risk it.
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Ya if you ever been addicted to tobacco products it's not wise to use nicotine in any form. But I personally don't find raw nitcotine that addictive. I believe it's the other stuff in tabacco that potentiates, and has a synergy with nicotine, that makes it addictive
 
rtmilburn said:
Ya if you ever been addicted to tobacco products it's not wise to use nicotine in any form. But I personally don't find raw nitcotine that addictive. I believe it's the other stuff in tabacco that potentiates, and has a synergy with nicotine, that makes it addictive
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All the other added chemicals definitely make cigarettes more addictive than they otherwise would be. Give a Marlboro smoker an American Spirit and they won’t feel satisfied.
 
Newth said:
In this tread...
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/weight-loss/301105-very-best-all.html

Spurfy put forward this idea...


I can see the logic behind it, the main thing I question is the nicotine patch(appetite suppressant is all I get).

Any thoughts on this would be good to hear especially from those with chemistry education.

Thanks in advance for any input.
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So far we have a couple fails on a Spurfy idea. And 1 guy who says it works so good.....but he stopped updating.
This one is just as strange. IDK
 
YoungThor said:
This man is either a mad genius or just plain crazy. Either way I’m in to hear responses.

I assume the melatonin is in there to knock you out and give you a deep sleep since it’s difficult to sleep when your in an extreme deficit.

I wish I could slap a nicotine patch on to lose fat haha but I’m an ex-smoker and can’t risk it.
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The melatonin is to raise GH secretion.
I'm also an ex smoker, every time I smell cigarette I want it but to inhale it tastes like an ashtray smells, that helps.
 
Cgkone said:
So far we have a couple fails on a Spurfy idea. And 1 guy who says it works so good.....but he stopped updating.
This one is just as strange. IDK
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This is his take on the idea that cortisol eats fat while GH stops the muscle wasting effect.
The torem and anavar are just to enhance it, in his whole low shutdown thing....I think. Although torem would lower igf-1 a little.
 
Newth said:
This is his take on the idea that cortisol eats fat while GH stops the muscle wasting effect.
The torem and anavar are just to enhance it, in his whole low shutdown thing....I think. Although torem would lower igf-1 a little.
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Goals could be obtained without nicotine.
 
Newth said:
My main reason for posting is to try to get a better understanding of this idea as a whole. The GH/cortisol thing has been around a while.
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Run it, log it. Lets see what happens.
I know that most people drink 30 grams of creatine with coffee and anavar before bed..you will be sick.
I'm assuming the nicotine patch for a non-smoker would make them ill.
If your not addicted to nicotine, nicotine makes you sick.
 
Cgkone said:
Run it, log it. Lets see what happens.
I know that most people drink 30 grams of creatine with coffee and anavar before bed..you will be sick.
I'm assuming the nicotine patch for a non-smoker would make them ill.
If your not addicted to nicotine, nicotine makes you sick.
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Lol, 2 drags on a ciggy and I go start going green...proven again 3 weeks ago.
On the upside this idea doesn't use creatine, the anavar timing is different to his bulking time also.
 
Cgkone said:
Run it, log it. Lets see what happens.
I know that most people drink 30 grams of creatine with coffee and anavar before bed..you will be sick.
I'm assuming the nicotine patch for a non-smoker would make them ill.
If your not addicted to nicotine, nicotine makes you sick.
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Lowest dose patch cut in half and anyone will be fine.
 
Cgkone said:
Your main problem is VAR?
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Not really Var. Where there is a will there is a way.

My interest is in the cortisol and GH mainly but I would like to understand where Spurfys train of thought is with this.

I have seen cortisol used in MS treatment and it has some serious power.
Working this into something without a synthetic androgen wouldn't effect natural test production at all.
 
So we're basically on a deficit big deal.. This is plain stupid cause its obvious having anavar to preserve muscles on a deficit and we burn calories.. Nicotine patch yeah that's gonna do a ton of work, like give you an addiction at best.

You can achieve this with anavar and some healthy cardio and eat the whole day small meals to keep steady blood sugar.

People still don't get what anavar actually does. It's not a fat burner, it preserves muscles during a deficit and more muscles will increase your metabolic rate. Not eating will just make you lose more muscles. It's about eating right and at the right times not to starve yourself and take nicotine which by the way in my experience makes me more hungry.
 
Chados said:
So we're basically on a deficit big deal.. This is plain stupid cause its obvious having anavar to preserve muscles on a deficit and we burn calories.. Nicotine patch yeah that's gonna do a ton of work, like give you an addiction at best.

You can achieve this with anavar and some healthy cardio and eat the whole day small meals to keep steady blood sugar.

People still don't get what anavar actually does. It's not a fat burner, it preserves muscles during a deficit and more muscles will increase your metabolic rate. Not eating will just make you lose more muscles. It's about eating right and at the right times not to starve yourself and take nicotine which by the way in my experience makes me more hungry.
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I respond well to intermittent fasting and but your pretty right in most cases, it's achievable naturally also.

GH does what you saying about anavar and nicotine has many replacements.
 
Newth said:
I respond well to intermittent fasting and but your pretty right in most cases, it's achievable naturally also.

GH does what you saying about anavar and nicotine has many replacements.
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Yeah, like you could replace nicotine with bath salts. JUST KIDDING! But you could just drink coffee to decrease hunger and increase metabolism.
 
Chados said:
I mean are we gonna take nicotine to burn fat? That's beyond insane for three reasons. 1. You literally won't notice **** and 2. It's unhealthy and 3. You can get addicted
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I'm not saying to take nicotine to loose weight but after reading the first reply in this tread I would guess Spurfy included it for ease of use and efficiency reasons.

Your post is based on your morel standpoint about nicotine and I also feel is the same reason Spurfy didn't include MK677. He didn't believe in using research chemicals as they do not have long term studies.
 
Chados said:
I mean are we gonna take nicotine to burn fat? That's beyond insane for three reasons. 1. You literally won't notice **** and 2. It's unhealthy and 3. You can get addicted
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Nicotine is about as unhealthy (what this actually means??) as caffeine, stop spitting crap. It is a very effective fat burner and hardly addictive for most. Calling it insane...get some context bro look at the androgens you a putting in yourself and you are calling Nicotine insane.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Nicotine is about as unhealthy (what this actually means??) as caffeine, stop spitting crap. It is a very effective fat burner and hardly addictive for most. Calling it insane...get some context bro look at the androgens you a putting in yourself and you are calling Nicotine insane.
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This. Nicotine is NOT tobacco!!! Tobacco is very addictive. Pure nicotine can be but no more so than caffeine Ime. I've noticed great results with it too.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Nicotine is about as unhealthy (what this actually means??) as caffeine, stop spitting crap. It is a very effective fat burner and hardly addictive for most. Calling it insane...get some context bro look at the androgens you a putting in yourself and you are calling Nicotine insane.
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That's just stupid. So yes I'm taking steroids which are unhealthy. I go to the gym and run while eating healthy to stay as healthy as possible. Now I'm gonna take nicotine to burn fat. What you're suggesting is the same as party smoking while drinking. You can say whatever you want but nicotine as a fat burner is just weird and it doesn't work nearly as good as you say it does.. But hey let's take everything we can because it's not gonna kill us right now and it might help getting your metabolism up a tiny bit.
 
Nicotine on its own is hardly a toxin. Tobacco products kill people, tobacco smoke is full of carcinogens. Nicotine is an addictive drug of course but on its own, when consumed in a form other than a tobacco product, it is barely harmful.

Now is it worth spending money on nicotine patches and taking the slight risk that you could get addicted just to burn a little fat? Well that’s the individual’s decision to make.

By the way, there are studies that show that the average marijuana smoker is slimmer than the average non-user, in spite of the marijuana smoker’s tendency to eat more calories. This is because it is very efficient at increasing metabolism.
 
YoungThor said:
Nicotine on its own is hardly a toxin. Tobacco products kill people, tobacco smoke is full of carcinogens. Nicotine is an addictive drug of course but on its own, when consumed in a form other than a tobacco product, it is barely harmful.

Now is it worth spending money on nicotine patches and taking the slight risk that you could get addicted just to burn a little fat? Well that’s the individual’s decision to make.

By the way, there are studies that show that the average marijuana smoker is slimmer than the average non-user, in spite of the marijuana smoker’s tendency to eat more calories. This is because it is very efficient at increasing metabolism.
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Nicotine has nootropic effects and chronic mj use can lower the appetite as well.

Really if anything in here I would caution about would be the hydrocortisone.
 
Newth said:
I'm not saying to take nicotine to loose weight but after reading the first reply in this tread I would guess Spurfy included it for ease of use and efficiency reasons.

Your post is based on your morel standpoint about nicotine and I also feel is the same reason Spurfy didn't include MK677. He didn't believe in using research chemicals as they do not have long term studies.
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Moral and facts. For what you get from nicotine in terms of positive effects its really not that impressive and the people using it as a fat burner also takes something like anavar, caffeine etc. Nicotine is also highly addictive
 
Yup but most skinny weedsmokers also don't have any money to eat cause most smokers or hardcore smokers at least don't work. A lot of them also uses stimulants on the side.


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Chados said:
Yup but most skinny weedsmokers also don't have any money to eat cause most smokers or hardcore smokers at least don't work. A lot of them also uses stimulants on the side.


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I click on the link a little later when I have time to read it.

But that’s a crazy generalization of weed smokers. I smoke weed everyday and I hate stimulants. I’ve known hundreds of weed smokers and very few are also into stimulants. And I don’t know a single person who’s unemployed as a result of smoking weed. It’s not like you have to do it. You just do it when you have the free time, or you don’t. It’s nonaddictive. There’s plenty of stoners who are go-getters and plenty who are lazy a$$es but those same qualities can be observed in the non-weed-smoking population.
 
YoungThor said:
I click on the link a little later when I have time to read it.

But that’s a crazy generalization of weed smokers. I smoke weed everyday and I hate stimulants. I’ve known hundreds of weed smokers and very few are also into stimulants. And I don’t know a single person who’s unemployed as a result of smoking weed. It’s not like you have to do it. You just do it when you have the free time, or you don’t. It’s nonaddictive. There’s plenty of stoners who are go-getters and plenty who are lazy a$$es but those same qualities can be observed in the non-weed-smoking population.
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Well that might be true but that's an honest take on what I've seen with my own eyes and maybe it's different where you live or maybe you're being ignorant. Weed smokers are normally people with not much going on in their life and as a pro weed person myself i really don't care if any person with not much going on gets offended just as I don't care if any lawyer with a ton of things going on feels attacked by being generalized for no reason.

The link was a gif, just batman pushing a swing and I hope you reconsider clicking on it cause it will make you smile high or not :)
 
Chados said:
Moral and facts. For what you get from nicotine in terms of positive effects its really not that impressive and the people using it as a fat burner also takes something like anavar, caffeine etc. Nicotine is also highly addictive
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Morel yes, but your morels.
Realistically, from a morel point as far as this stack goes anavar is the last thing that should be recommended if we were all to do as we were supposed to do, due to it being illegal.

Nicotine is only a thermogen(although from a toxicologist((if he was)) I would expect more), it could be swapped with any other one.
The reason this has intermittent fasting and fasted workout is to raise the **** out of gh to stop cortisol eating muscle tissue leaving it to target fat, with a liking to visceral fat.
Leaving anavar to do what your saying on top of the gh with good strength for training but not necessarily needed.
The torem is to slow shutdown from the anavar and I am only speculating here but my also help in lipid sides from the anavar and also help raise free cortisol levels increasing fat catabolism while raising free gh due to lower igf-1 conversion. <---anyone please correct me if I'm wrong with these speculations.

But yeah nicotine...drugs are bad mkay.
 
Chados said:
Moral and facts. For what you get from nicotine in terms of positive effects its really not that impressive and the people using it as a fat burner also takes something like anavar, caffeine etc. Nicotine is also highly addictive
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No it's not. Tobacco is highly addictive. Pure nicotine is on par with caffeine for addiction
 
Chados said:
Well that might be true but that's an honest take on what I've seen with my own eyes and maybe it's different where you live or maybe you're being ignorant. Weed smokers are normally people with not much going on in their life and as a pro weed person myself i really don't care if any person with not much going on gets offended just as I don't care if any lawyer with a ton of things going on feels attacked by being generalized for no reason.

The link was a gif, just batman pushing a swing and I hope you reconsider clicking on it cause it will make you smile high or not :)
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We might not even live in the same country so our observations may be very different. Here in the States there are weed smokers in every strata of society. All of my closest friends smoke weed nearly every night and among them there are teachers, an architect, a journalist, a small business owner, construction workers, an academic advisor at a university. The fact that we enjoy a little weed doesn’t interfere with our ability to work (it’s not like they’re teaching while high). And not one of these people uses stimulants other than coffee. I understand that this may be totally different where you live.
 
Newth said:
I'm not saying to take nicotine to loose weight but after reading the first reply in this tread I would guess Spurfy included it for ease of use and efficiency reasons.

Your post is based on your morel standpoint about nicotine and I also feel is the same reason Spurfy didn't include MK677. He didn't believe in using research chemicals as they do not have long term studies.
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Mk677 might be the most tried and true of RC sarms.
 
Chados said:
Theres no way that's true. Most people addicted to tobacco is that because of the nicotine.
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They put a lot of poisons in those tobacco products to potentiate the strength and addictiveness of nicotine. Native Americans smoked tobacco at a much lower rate than we do today because their tobacco was organic, and as a result, far less addictive. And then you also have to remember that part of the addiction is the act of smoking a cigarette itself. That’s why ex-smokers like to keep something in their mouth like a toothpick. I highly doubt slapping a patch on you is a highly addictive act like smoking something is. It doesn’t look “cool” either.
 
Lets just see some me run it.
So far..Spurfy ideas are fails more that success.
No way I'm fcking with nicotine or hydrocortisone.
Lets leave weed out of it. Most chronic smokers are kids. Once you become an adult you don't smoke weed all day everyday.
 
YoungThor said:
They put a lot of poisons in those tobacco products to potentiate the strength and addictiveness of nicotine. Native Americans smoked tobacco at a much lower rate than we do today because their tobacco was organic, and as a result, far less addictive. And then you also have to remember that part of the addiction is the act of smoking a cigarette itself. That’s why ex-smokers like to keep something in their mouth like a toothpick. I highly doubt slapping a patch on you is a highly addictive act like smoking something is. It doesn’t look “cool” either.
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Obviously smoking is worse in every way. I come from a country where everyone use something called snus which is basically like Copenhagen but more pure and salty instead of sweet and its highly addictive. The patches are not as much but it still doesn't change the fact that nicotine as a substance is addictive and the biggest reason why tobacco is so addictive.
 
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