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Maybe I am reading that wrong, but it sounds like the injection of the capsaicin into the white adipose tissue caused a rebound fat gain because the body thought it had less fat than it did(because the nerves werent working properly I guess) and tried to get back to homeostasis. Or maybe the hamsters were diabetic =/

another hamster study
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again I may just be retarded and reading it wrong, but it appears the capsaicin injection caused an increase in fat cell size without increasing the number of fat cells, along with DECREASED CGRP levels(and its elevated CGRP levels that cause insulin resistance right?)

hey look,
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Par totally plagerized Spook!!LOL j/k

I wonder what studies Spook read to get started down this path.
 
Drachus,
I just PMed Spook this page of the thread to see if he'll come take a look and answer (or maybe Loki or Par...).
 
I dunno..Im beginning to think this Cap stuff is a waste. Pretty expensive for only like a weeks worth..and I havent really lost any significant amt of that stubborn fat. And yes, my diet and cardio are perfected..
 
Well...IMO the Lipo should be effective as a stand-alone. I'm going to run it with a clen mixture. Forget the Cap for now.
 
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Yeah I added clen to it. I think Im gonna try the clen orally in 2 weeks or so. I hate the jitteryness..but anything to drop BF
 
God - my buddy really hated clen's side effects when taken orally. Transdermally - he didn't see any of those sides.
 
Yes after reading this I am going to try clen transdermal because orally it just did not agree with me at all glad there is another way to take it because t3/clen took me to sub 8%
 
I just finished my first week of LU+Clen, 8 pumps per day containing 100mcg of clen. The only side I got was severe vasoconstriction: the area of application would turn red and really tight. I may up the clen to 150mcg next time.

The results were apparent on day 2 and not much afterwards. Next time could be better though.
 
5mg damn thats crazy. I ran outta cap and Im not gonna buy more..just gonna finish off with my clen and lipoderm. I have 15ml clen in the lipoderm..I guess if I do it again I'll add a lot more than that. The only thing I noticed with the cap was when I sweated at work I'd be in screaming pain..never again with the cap. Wasn't worth the pain/results category
 
Yeah I know..I assumed you were talkin about 100mcg/ml from IBE..let us know how that works, Im interested.
 
I got a couple questions i didnt find from reading ..

what bf% were when you started using it? what was the results.

When you stopped using it, did the fat come back? or inches ect.

What body type are you, do you loose weight easily? or gain it?
 
I would assume that's me since I was the last one posting about having used it.

I was about 10% bf when I started and I didn't see much results until I added the clen. I ran it only for 2 weeks solo though.

I've been off from it for 3 days now, no fat has come back.

I seem to gain weight easily but it's mostly fat. At the same time, I consider myself an ecto. Sometimes I gain fat on 2500 cals, sometimes I lose weight on 6000 cals, I guess my body likes to keep me in a certain range, the so-called 'setpoint'.
 
machinehead said:
I would assume that's me since I was the last one posting about having used it.

I was about 10% bf when I started and I didn't see much results until I added the clen. I ran it only for 2 weeks solo though.

I've been off from it for 3 days now, no fat has come back.

I seem to gain weight easily but it's mostly fat. At the same time, I consider myself an ecto. Sometimes I gain fat on 2500 cals, sometimes I lose weight on 6000 cals, I guess my body likes to keep me in a certain range, the so-called 'setpoint'.
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It is really for anyone that has used it and thanks for replying. The info helps a bunch. Ive gone from 30% BF to the high teens. I am trying to get down to 12% the "healthy range". 10-12%. The fat i have is sitting on top of my abs kinda like thick skin, and around my chest area. Its very pinchable and loose. flabby, but flat.
 
Yeah I have stubborn fat on my lower stomach and love handles that doesnt wanna come off no matter how much cardio I do and no matter how clean I eat. I havent cheated in months..Im gonna run oral clen at 120mcg for 3 weeks and see what that does. Lipo/clen/cap didnt impress me much
 
chest6 said:
Yeah I have stubborn fat on my lower stomach and love handles that doesnt wanna come off no matter how much cardio I do and no matter how clean I eat. I havent cheated in months..Im gonna run oral clen at 120mcg for 3 weeks and see what that does. Lipo/clen/cap didnt impress me much
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I hope you mean ramp up to 120mcg over 3 weeks. When I first tried clen I took the tiniest couple of drops from the tip of the dropper. Even that made me shaky as hell. I tolerate it better now, but haven't gone above 50mcg.
 
jmh80 said:
Beo - you are one drunk summab*tch!!
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I vaguely recall a PM while intoxicated. Is that what you're referring to? :o I think I was slurring my typing :think:


I just got my lipo today. I have IBE's clen. Sorry if this has been covered, but isn't the lipoderm bottle too full to add all the clen? Should I use some and then add clen?
 
thats what i did. I used the lipo for about 5 days and then added a whole bottle of clen.
 
Beowulf said:
I hope you mean ramp up to 120mcg over 3 weeks. When I first tried clen I took the tiniest couple of drops from the tip of the dropper. Even that made me shaky as hell. I tolerate it better now, but haven't gone above 50mcg.
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eh yeah...I'll ramp up for probably 4 days or so until I get there...40..60.80.120 or sumthin like that. Never taken IBE's clen orally before..but have some others maybe the others were underdosed who knows
 
chest6 said:
eh yeah...I'll ramp up for probably 4 days or so until I get there...40..60.80.120 or sumthin like that. Never taken IBE's clen orally before..but have some others maybe the others were underdosed who knows
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If you want to know why you must use clen with caution, dig up Glenihan's clen thread. YIKES! He had a resting pulse of like 170 for hours on end. :run:
 
chest6 said:
eh yeah...I'll ramp up for probably 4 days or so until I get there...40..60.80.120 or sumthin like that. Never taken IBE's clen orally before..but have some others maybe the others were underdosed who knows
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I've used 'em all. Be careful orally with IBE, its the real deal.
 
Well ya I used AR-R's before and I've heard some things..but I won't get into it here. I guess I'll stick to 100
 
I just started my lipoderm, and I found I was able to fit over half a bottle of IBE's clen in the bottle already. I have a couple of questions:

1. I have my chest/abs trimmed. I take it I need to shave it bare b/c the lipo clumps up in little balls
2. I do cardio on and empty stomach a few times per week before showering/getting ready for work. Should I apply the lipo before cardio, even though I'll be showering about 30 minutes later? I've heard that the fat will only be redeposited if you aren't burning it, so I don't want to just waste this stuff. If I don't do it pre-cardio I'll have to do it post-shower, when I'm about to eat.
 
Beowulf said:
I just started my lipoderm, and I found I was able to fit over half a bottle of IBE's clen in the bottle already. I have a couple of questions:

1. I have my chest/abs trimmed. I take it I need to shave it bare b/c the lipo clumps up in little balls
2. I do cardio on and empty stomach a few times per week before showering/getting ready for work. Should I apply the lipo before cardio, even though I'll be showering about 30 minutes later? I've heard that the fat will only be redeposited if you aren't burning it, so I don't want to just waste this stuff. If I don't do it pre-cardio I'll have to do it post-shower, when I'm about to eat.
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I'm not scientist but heres my 2 pence

I think it boils down to pre and post workout nutrition. If you are just downing some casein post workout, and nothing which will spike insulin(whey/carbs), then post workout is ok. Also, if your preworkout meal(or meals if you excersise in the evening)consist of some sort of carbohydrate, it is going to severly diminish the effectiveness of the product should you use it preworkout. Now supposedly the capsaicin causes insulin resistance in the fat, but I am not sure if the insulin inhibits lipolosys solely through the effect on alpha adreno receptors, or other pathways as well.(ie the insulin may not inhibit lipolosis when using the cap cream, but it may still negate the benefits of the yohimbine. Insulin trumps yohimbine).

hope that made some sense
 
I've been applying some seriously strong home brew in the morinings for 5 days. Felt like I spliied acis on a bad sunburn for the first couple days. Whats the time frame that I should expect to see some results, ie does the benefits kick in after a period of systemic build up?
 
I'll be trying this with lipoderm-y next month. (took advantage of mike's sale at bulknut with dicana)

May not be as good of results, but should be interesting none the less.
 
Beowulf said:
I just started my lipoderm, and I found I was able to fit over half a bottle of IBE's clen in the bottle already. I have a couple of questions:

1. I have my chest/abs trimmed. I take it I need to shave it bare b/c the lipo clumps up in little balls
2. I do cardio on and empty stomach a few times per week before showering/getting ready for work. Should I apply the lipo before cardio, even though I'll be showering about 30 minutes later? I've heard that the fat will only be redeposited if you aren't burning it, so I don't want to just waste this stuff. If I don't do it pre-cardio I'll have to do it post-shower, when I'm about to eat.
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BUMP on this very issue!
 
Interesting thread. I have a question though (might have missed the post where this was answered).

If you mix the clen with the lipoderm, does the fact that it is being absorbed transdermally bypass the systemic effects of clenbuterol? IE increased heart rate, jitteryness and just all around no good stuff.
 
precious_roy said:
Interesting thread. I have a question though (might have missed the post where this was answered).

If you mix the clen with the lipoderm, does the fact that it is being absorbed transdermally bypass the systemic effects of clenbuterol? IE increased heart rate, jitteryness and just all around no good stuff.
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I may be going down the wrong thought track here but systemic use of clen is where the primary fat burning is, the heart and skeletal muscles, Beta2 receptors getting jacked and burning all that fat.

Last I heard, subQ fat has plenty of Alpha2 receptors(hence the yohimbine in lipo) but not a whole lot of beta receptors.
 
I don’t know if this has been talked about before. But why don’t we find a more dilute solution of cap? This should lessen the pain. I am pretty sure a compounding pharmacy could do this. Probably cost a pretty penny. Has anyone tried to contact a compounding pharmacy?
 
"Well you can use different concentrations of cap cream. Is that what you mean?"

Yes, I would like to start off with a cream that is like .01% cap, so I will not have to experience to much pain. I could then slowly work up the concentration as my body becomes desensitized. The lowest retail concentration I could find so far was .005%. It would be wonderful if I could find a cream based solution carrier and then just add the desired amount of cap, so I could create a .01% solution.

Thanks
 
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Would it be possible to still take stimulants along with the Lipo-U w/ a half bottle of Clen? The idea of adding in Clen to make Lipo-U even more potent is appealing, but I wouldn't want to give up my EC as it makes all the difference in morning cardio sessions.
 
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