Dma378
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Or at least not supporting or preventing this from happening. I'm not saying it is responsible for these things happening.
Sparkss journey to recovery
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Or at least not supporting or preventing this from happening. I'm not saying it is responsible for these things happening.
Sparkss
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I agree. These results were not what I was expecting at all. And I am glad that I checked them before starting anything else.
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Undecided. I have an appointment with my doctor next Wednesday (just made it) and will talk it over with BPS to see if they want me to proceed. I still have not received the logging bottle yet, so they may decide to pass it along to someone else. I am trying to be as open with them as I can.
I am still mulling that over. I don't think I want to try to adjust anything yet, until after I talk to my doc. He is a big proponent of the TRT pellets, which won't address the E2, but would be a start. I have pharma Aromasin (and even some pharma Raloxifene) on hand, and am not sure what else he may prescribe, but I don't want to start anything that may affect whatever he wants to prescribe. If I handle the E2 myself I would likely try Virtus before I go pharma, as that seems to be a bit less of a harsh approach. But I am still reading up.
Sparkss
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Right, I understand. But like you I expected higher T numbers than that (and lower E2) because of taking AMax for the last month+ like I have. It may not be the cause but also does not appear to be contributing to the solution.
EDIT: Or I am somehow so out of whack that an OTC like AMax can't course correct my balance. (giving it the complete benefit of the doubt).
Dma378
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I think you're looking at it all 100% properly. Definitely don't want to skew anything if you are going to proceed with your doctor. He will likely do another blood test. Surely the good folks at BPS will understand. Whether they wait for you or not, there will always be more opportunities and even they would appreciate someone with proper hormonal balance logging their products. Since that will have them working at their best!!
Dma378
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It may be having some impact either way, in which case I would also stop taking it to give your doctor a true reading on your natural levels ASAP
Sparkss
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I contacted BPS and after some exchange I am no longer going to be logging their EpiDrone 
. It makes sense not holding up the log to wait for my #s to stabilize and/or throw too many variables into the mix that might skew the log results. Plus this just opens up the opportunity for someone else to get in on it! I wish all of the loggers all the best with their runs!!! and appreciate BPS for having considered me in the first place!
As it stands I still have the 1 bottle that I paid for (no idea when I will start it, but it is here starting at me, mockingly
LOL).
. It makes sense not holding up the log to wait for my #s to stabilize and/or throw too many variables into the mix that might skew the log results. Plus this just opens up the opportunity for someone else to get in on it! I wish all of the loggers all the best with their runs!!! and appreciate BPS for having considered me in the first place!As it stands I still have the 1 bottle that I paid for (no idea when I will start it, but it is here starting at me, mockingly
LOL).
Dma378
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I contacted BPS and after some exchange I am no longer going to be logging their EpiDrone
As it stands I still have the 1 bottle that I paid for (no idea when I will start it, but it is here starting at me, mockingly
Even more reason to wait to use it. Get that $$$ worth!! Good luck bro, I'll be following how it all goes for you.
Sparkss
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My thoughts as well. I already reached out to them to let them know as soon as I could. And I fully understand the decision to pass it along to another logger. That is for the best for everyone involved (including whichever other logger gets a second shot at it now!)
.Yea, I am stopping everything. Although I want to read up on epicat, as I did not think that had any impact on hormone levels, but maybe better to just ditch that for now too. And you are right, I am sure that he is going to schedule me for another set of labs. If I recall that is the protocol when one set comes in low/high.
Sparkss
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Thanks! and thanks for all of your feedback and advice. it is all much appreciated.
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Let's just say that we will keep you available as a future logger, when you get your bloods back to normal. Just keep us updated!I contacted BPS and after some exchange I am no longer going to be logging their EpiDrone
As it stands I still have the 1 bottle that I paid for (no idea when I will start it, but it is here starting at me, mockingly
Sparkss
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9/1 Back/Bis
1 arm DB Row........................... .....................50/20, 70*/15, 15, 15, 12
Bent Over UH BB Row........................... .....155*/15, 15, 12, 12
Landmines SS**.......................... ...................70*/(10/15), (10,15), (10/15), (10,15)
Concentration Curls......................... ..............25/18, 20, 17, 16
..Superset
Back Hyper Extension..................... ...............20/30, 30, 25, 25
Reverse Grip BB Curls......................... ..........25/30
* Max weight available
** 1 arm/2 arm super set
My workout got interrupted by my work calling me in for a meeting this morning. So I had to compress my workout. For the back hyper extensions I added a little movement to the end of each motion. I have been holding a 20lb DB to add weight to the exercise, holding it with both hands at chest height. Today I would hit the top of my extension, hold it there, tensing the lower back and curl the weight up to the top of my chest (basically a half-rep). I did this for every hyper reop, trying to make up the time I knew I was going to miss for my arm exercises. I also added a 25lb BB reverse grip curl for as many as I could get, up to 30 (since I already had the empty BB in hand cleaning up my workout area at the end).. I got a good pump from it, but that is about it. I didn't even get to do my foam rolling today. Today was a bit of a disaster all around I guess.
As it was I was feeling more than a little weak today (again). My PWO today was RagNOrok, which faired better than the old CU formula (but I still greatly prefer the new CU formula). I also have some MaxREPs from UPS Labs to try out, but as I have 2 different PWO tubs open right now, I need to finish those before opening any new ones.
I am not going to lie, I am feeling a little demoralized right now. Tomorrow was scheduled to be an off day, which aligns with my state of mind at the moment "off". I will likely just hit some cardio in the morning and maybe one or two arm exercises before hand to make up for the missed ones today.
1 arm DB Row........................... .....................50/20, 70*/15, 15, 15, 12
Bent Over UH BB Row........................... .....155*/15, 15, 12, 12
Landmines SS**.......................... ...................70*/(10/15), (10,15), (10/15), (10,15)
Concentration Curls......................... ..............25/18, 20, 17, 16
..Superset
Back Hyper Extension..................... ...............20/30, 30, 25, 25
Reverse Grip BB Curls......................... ..........25/30
* Max weight available
** 1 arm/2 arm super set
My workout got interrupted by my work calling me in for a meeting this morning. So I had to compress my workout. For the back hyper extensions I added a little movement to the end of each motion. I have been holding a 20lb DB to add weight to the exercise, holding it with both hands at chest height. Today I would hit the top of my extension, hold it there, tensing the lower back and curl the weight up to the top of my chest (basically a half-rep). I did this for every hyper reop, trying to make up the time I knew I was going to miss for my arm exercises. I also added a 25lb BB reverse grip curl for as many as I could get, up to 30 (since I already had the empty BB in hand cleaning up my workout area at the end).. I got a good pump from it, but that is about it. I didn't even get to do my foam rolling today. Today was a bit of a disaster all around I guess.
As it was I was feeling more than a little weak today (again). My PWO today was RagNOrok, which faired better than the old CU formula (but I still greatly prefer the new CU formula). I also have some MaxREPs from UPS Labs to try out, but as I have 2 different PWO tubs open right now, I need to finish those before opening any new ones.
I am not going to lie, I am feeling a little demoralized right now. Tomorrow was scheduled to be an off day, which aligns with my state of mind at the moment "off". I will likely just hit some cardio in the morning and maybe one or two arm exercises before hand to make up for the missed ones today.
Sparkss
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my wife just delivered the ultimate 1-2 punch
She reminded me that I made the recent gains in spite of my wonked up numbers. Then she proceeded to ask me if I needed to borrow one of her pads, since she figured with my high estro and low T (and not on anything to cause it) that I should be about ready to start my period soon and might need it.
*sheesh*
She reminded me that I made the recent gains in spite of my wonked up numbers. Then she proceeded to ask me if I needed to borrow one of her pads, since she figured with my high estro and low T (and not on anything to cause it) that I should be about ready to start my period soon and might need it.
*sheesh*
Robert5891
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Hahahahahaha ha!!!
Sparkss
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I appreciate that. I am going to take the weekend and basically not think about it
. I have that doctors appointment on Wed and he will most likely schedule another blood draw, and then another follow up. With the lab he prefers to use (slow) and the lead time for follow up visits it will be a couple of weeks (at least) before this is even remotely sorted and any treatment can even begin. In the mean time I will just focus on my nutrition and not backsliding back into my fat old self. Mentally I am struggling a little with the thought of putting as much energy and intensity as I have into working out now knowing that my body is currently in a state that is far from conducive for gains. I just feel like the return on investment margin is pretty thin until I get my hormones back in balance. On the flip side I just think how much progress I can make when I get this all fixed . Until then I can live vicariously through every here on AM. HGP has a great discussion on HST style training over in his thread with Mr Kleen.
Sparkss
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In the meantime I need to address the other issues, namely the BUN levels being high. I read that high protein intake and being dehydrated can elevate those, along with impaired kidneys. I think I drink quite a bit (and pee darn near hourly). I do drink a lot of water. So I need to back off on the protein intake. I fell into a habit of "Hungry? Drink a protein shake. Still hungry? Eat a protein bar". So today I started adding two TBS of old fashioned oats into my shake (yes, I still had one today, but only one now), adding more water to the shake itself (couldn't hurt) and also have some bulk powder piperine that I added a dose of. Hopefully I can eat less protein but get the same benefit (and hopefully less of the negative impacts), but I am not sure how effective piperine is with whey. Plus the oats will help me feel full and I am hoping balance out the protein.
On the plus side there won't be too much protein shakes during the reunion this weekend, so my kidneys will get a break, although my liver may be putting in some overtime.
On the plus side there won't be too much protein shakes during the reunion this weekend, so my kidneys will get a break, although my liver may be putting in some overtime.
sparks2012
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I second what FireTitan said, you do YOU for however long you need to. We're here for you.
Also, once you get your kidneys good again, I've got a protein bar for you to try if you haven't already. Robert Irvine's FITCrunch bars are really good, I've tried the cookies and cream and the cookie dough, I've got the PB flavor in my cabinet to try next. 30g of WPI/WC blend, but it has sucralose in it (I checked this time
), but it's listed in the "contains 2% or less of the following ingredients" list.
Also, once you get your kidneys good again, I've got a protein bar for you to try if you haven't already. Robert Irvine's FITCrunch bars are really good, I've tried the cookies and cream and the cookie dough, I've got the PB flavor in my cabinet to try next. 30g of WPI/WC blend, but it has sucralose in it (I checked this time
), but it's listed in the "contains 2% or less of the following ingredients" list.
FireTitan
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I second what FireTitan said, you do YOU for however long you need to. We're here for you.
Also, once you get your kidneys good again, I've got a protein bar for you to try if you haven't already. Robert Irvine's FITCrunch bars are really good, I've tried the cookies and cream and the cookie dough, I've got the PB flavor in my cabinet to try next. 30g of WPI/WC blend, but it has sucralose in it (I checked this time
They are good! I get them a lot. Between that and quest bars.
sparks2012
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Those bars are so good! That and the Oh Yeah! Bars are tied for first, with the PB&J Supreme Bars coming in at a close 2nd. I'm not a HUGE fan of quest bars, they're good and I'll eat them but if I can buy the aforementioned bars I'd do that before buying quest.
Sparkss
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I second what FireTitan said, you do YOU for however long you need to. We're here for you.
Also, once you get your kidneys good again, I've got a protein bar for you to try if you haven't already. Robert Irvine's FITCrunch bars are really good, I've tried the cookies and cream and the cookie dough, I've got the PB flavor in my cabinet to try next. 30g of WPI/WC blend, but it has sucralose in it (I checked this time
Thanks, i will give them a shot.
I think my BUN numbers can be fixed by dialing back the protein intake and upping the water intake. I do drink a fair bit of water, but I had backed off due to a variety of reasons, usually I was going somewhere where peeing every hour would be inconvenient, so I stopped drinking, or drank a lot less, before heading there (meetings, after school activities with my daughter, long drive to pick up something from a far off store). On the protein side whenever I would get a craving in the afternoon I would grab a bar or make a shake (and nothing else). All were low carb and not always a bunch of added water to help my body with the protein. Seeing my numbers was a wake up call and I am adjusting that behavior. At least that part of my blood work has a reasonable explanation (or one that I could explain with what I know of the biological processes and my recent eating behaviors). The T/E2 numbers on the other hand are still bugging me and I can't wait for my appt tomorrow to see what my doc says.
Sparkss
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They are not my favorite, but they are my "go-to" bar, if that makes sense. They are the only one that have low calories (not a ton of sugar) and no artificial sweeteners. At least a couple of their bars fit that bill. I don't mind carbs in my bars (that much), I just try to avoid the simple carbs/sugars.
Sparkss
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I hate when I find something I like, assume I can find it easily enough again later (and don't write down the details anywhere), then play havok trying to even remember the name, much less able to locate it again! (and the place I bought it originally doesn't carry it any more and any employees there have no idea what I am talking about when I ask) *sigh*.
Sparkss
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9/2 - 9/5 Rest day(s)/Vacation
9/6 Failure to launch *sigh*
Despite everything going on I had every intention of getting a workout in today. I even got up early, had my PWO and was about to start exercising when my office pinged me and I got sucked into a system outage issue that took me from 6:30 AM through now. So today went to heck in a hand basket in a big nasty way. *sigh*. I just keep telling msyelf that "tomorrow is a new day", that is if I can survive today.
On the plus side I did not gain that much weight over the weekend, despite there being two separate cakes (across two days) and for dinner they just ordered pizza, both Saturday and Sunday. I am shocked that I did not blow up like a balloon, but managed to somehow keep it under control. I think only because my overall cals for the day was still pretty low, since I was not eating every couple of hours like I normally do. So at least 2 fewer "meals" each day than my regular diet. Just heavier meals for the ones I did eat.
9/6 Failure to launch *sigh*
Despite everything going on I had every intention of getting a workout in today. I even got up early, had my PWO and was about to start exercising when my office pinged me and I got sucked into a system outage issue that took me from 6:30 AM through now. So today went to heck in a hand basket in a big nasty way. *sigh*. I just keep telling msyelf that "tomorrow is a new day", that is if I can survive today
.On the plus side I did not gain that much weight over the weekend, despite there being two separate cakes (across two days) and for dinner they just ordered pizza, both Saturday and Sunday. I am shocked that I did not blow up like a balloon, but managed to somehow keep it under control. I think only because my overall cals for the day was still pretty low, since I was not eating every couple of hours like I normally do. So at least 2 fewer "meals" each day than my regular diet. Just heavier meals for the ones I did eat.
Sparkss
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On a completely unrelated note, and because I refuse to let these issues (either immediate or more long term) to get me down:
What is the best delivery system for 1-AD, oral or transdermal? I know some compounds are better suited for oral while others are better utilized when delivered TD. (and some that are not even an option for TD, due to their molecular weight). Which method is better for 1-AD (with the least negative impacts).
What is the best delivery system for 1-AD, oral or transdermal? I know some compounds are better suited for oral while others are better utilized when delivered TD. (and some that are not even an option for TD, due to their molecular weight). Which method is better for 1-AD (with the least negative impacts).
sparks2012
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Well, I just did a quick Google search and the results it yielded basically stated that TD products don't generally have enough research on them to to verify the positive effects and exactly how much you would actually uptake. Molecular weight needs to be under 300 and have the proper compounds to bypass the first-pass metabolism. Article was posted on 27 March of this year, but I know BPS has had some killer reviews with their TD products. So, I guess it depends on what you'd want. TD's in that aspect seem to be a fairly new venture, while ingested orally has years and years of studies.
Robert5891
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If you're looking for the best 1-AD around, look into something that uses Cyclosome as the encapsulation medium as it offers the best for improved bioavailability. Hi-Tech makes a 1-AD product that uses it and has some studies backing up the delivery form as well.
PP did a great write up on it, and this article has just about all the info you could want / need on the product:
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sparks2012
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Yep, priceplow is where I was looking too. Since HTP bought LG Sciences they've also included cyclosome delivery into their products. I personally love it whenever I've ran LG products, and I ran a kit before they had the new delivery system. HTP has good stuff you can stack easily without having to buy a kit, 1-AD and 1-Testosterone are the 2 that'll probably give you the most bang for your buck.
Robert5891
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Couldn't agree more...they're very complimentary to each other and could make for a true dynamo of a stack
lifted67
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Sustain Alpha is a TD test boost, and Androcrine is TD Laxo product the only product that BPS has that really fits into your question is Dermacrine, that's pretty mild though. Maybe some OL guys would be able to answer this question better as compared to their TD PHs.
Sparkss
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I am still planning on SA for PCT (whenever I actually can get to that point LOL) and their Laxo product also (possibly both on cycle and PCT), since it seems to deliver a lot of Laxo and I read better results from TD Laxo than oral, in general. I picked some up during BPS's Labor Day sale (ordered two bottles of both last night when I got home).
Sparkss
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Thanks for the feedback. I do know about the dalton rule for TD, just wasn't sure if 1-AD was better suited for one delivery over the other. I honestly did not realize that TD delivery methods were that "new". I know that the commercial/prescription test cream uses it, so I assumed it was a "tried and true" method. Again, I am still researching and learning and really appreciate all of the feedback and guidance!!!
That stack sounds good. Just from what I read and what my goal are, once I am ready for my cycle I would like my stack to include 1-AD as the main compound.
On the plus side I checked my PCT supplies, and the e2 ones expire next year (a little less than 1 year from now) but the SERMS don't expire until 2021. So I have plenty of time to get my hormones back in line.
hairygrandpa
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I took 1-ad TD together with oral to get the dosage high enough, was a good run. For me it took time to really feel it, I suggest a longer run on it.
Sparkss
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Thanks!
Sparkss
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9/7 Legs
Sumo Deadlft.................................115/20, 155*/15, 15, 15
Squats............................................155*/15, 15, 15
Standing single calf raises (BFR)...30/25, 25, 25
I had only a small window to workout today, so I went with my shortest exercise routine, which is my legs, due to the limited equipment and exercises I have available. Even though I only had a short bit of time to workout I did not want to skip another day for fear I would lose momentum and make it that much harder to get back into the swing of working out regularly. Plus, legs are my least favorite exercise, so if I could manage to push myself through even a few sets of those exercises I could prove to myself that I could push myself through anything.
I am doing OK. One thing I noticed these last few days since being back from the reunion is that my upper body joints are sore, almost feel "dry". Specifically my elbows and shoulders, even though I did not lift anything since last Thursday (other than luggage, and it was not that heavy). Isn't that a symptom of low E2 (not high)?
Sumo Deadlft.................................115/20, 155*/15, 15, 15
Squats............................................155*/15, 15, 15
Standing single calf raises (BFR)...30/25, 25, 25
I had only a small window to workout today, so I went with my shortest exercise routine, which is my legs, due to the limited equipment and exercises I have available. Even though I only had a short bit of time to workout I did not want to skip another day for fear I would lose momentum and make it that much harder to get back into the swing of working out regularly. Plus, legs are my least favorite exercise, so if I could manage to push myself through even a few sets of those exercises I could prove to myself that I could push myself through anything.
I am doing OK. One thing I noticed these last few days since being back from the reunion is that my upper body joints are sore, almost feel "dry". Specifically my elbows and shoulders, even though I did not lift anything since last Thursday (other than luggage, and it was not that heavy). Isn't that a symptom of low E2 (not high)?
Sparkss
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I went to the doctor today and reviewed my test results. We walked through the WBC, BUN and other HIGH values, although I more or less knew the cause and what I needed to do for those results, but it was good to get confirmation.
We talked about the T and E2 numbers and he was not surprised that my numbers dropped that much in only 4 months. He said at my age it was inevitable. *sigh* He also feels that the high E2 is related to the low T. He thinks that correcting the low T (with TRT) will also resolve the high E2 levels. He also said that another blood test would not be needed that the one I brought was "sufficiently definitive". So he is ordering the pellets from his vendor (guess he doesn't stock them). He expects to have them in a week or two and will call to set up the appointment to apply them once they are in hand.
So I guess that my backlog of natty supps will start collecting dust here shortly. He did mention that it can take 2 ~ 3 weeks before I start to feel the difference. I am going to do an inventory of my supps to check any upcoming expiration dates.
I had ordered some Or1gin during their pre-order sale last week, but that and most of the other supps I stocked up on should be fine with TRT. Laxo, Epicat, and Forskolin. Although the Sustain Alpha that I stocked up on earlier will not be needed.
I also need to start reading up on what to watch for and manage when on TRT. I am still wrapping my head around it and don't really know how i feel about it. Not that it matters, I can't change it, it is what it is.
We talked about the T and E2 numbers and he was not surprised that my numbers dropped that much in only 4 months. He said at my age it was inevitable. *sigh* He also feels that the high E2 is related to the low T. He thinks that correcting the low T (with TRT) will also resolve the high E2 levels. He also said that another blood test would not be needed that the one I brought was "sufficiently definitive". So he is ordering the pellets from his vendor (guess he doesn't stock them). He expects to have them in a week or two and will call to set up the appointment to apply them once they are in hand.
So I guess that my backlog of natty supps will start collecting dust here shortly. He did mention that it can take 2 ~ 3 weeks before I start to feel the difference. I am going to do an inventory of my supps to check any upcoming expiration dates.
I had ordered some Or1gin during their pre-order sale last week, but that and most of the other supps I stocked up on should be fine with TRT. Laxo, Epicat, and Forskolin. Although the Sustain Alpha that I stocked up on earlier will not be needed.
I also need to start reading up on what to watch for and manage when on TRT. I am still wrapping my head around it and don't really know how i feel about it. Not that it matters, I can't change it, it is what it is.
sparks2012
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Keep your head up..just be glad that we're in a time where these options are available to you to help correct these low/high values. I understand it can be completely demoralising and that once your brain knows you won't function optimally it'll start to play tricks on you. Keep pushing and do what you can manage. Looking forward to seeing how the TRT treats you. Luckily, it's become pretty widely used so there's a lot of info out there that will help you prepare and bounce back quickly, as well as maintain a healthy balance.
Sparkss
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Thanks. I am trying to keep a positive attitude. And I appreciate your thoughts on TRT in general.
As it stands the doctor said it will run approximately $750 every 6 months, and the last I checked I can use my HSA to pay for it (since I have blood work to support it and it will be prescribed). So it could be worse. I am contemplating trying to do something about the high E2 now, since I have the "tools" in hand to do so. But I am still baffled by the sore elbow and shoulder joints. It could be something in the AlphaMax or Eipc product that was "lubricating" them and keeping them pain free, and now that I stopped they are "reverting". Or it could be something else. That just doesn't align with the high E2 results, at least not from what I (think I) know about estrogen.
FireTitan
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Sounds like it, bit there could be an underlying issue, even something simple. Just hang tough, do what the doc says and push on! Were here if you need us
Sparkss
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To highlight this point, yea, I am already seeing the effects of the mental aspect of the blood work results. I just "feel" weaker, which is in addition to being fatigued.I know it is in my head, so I try to push through it, but even when setting up the weights I subconsciously (already) just reach for lower weights. *sigh*. I also am questioning "wasting" any of the supps (protein, etc) until I correct my body chemistry, then I think if I am not taking in a proper diet (again, protein, etc) then why bother lifting (for now). I am not saying I am going to take that path, just that those are the thoughts and progressions running through my head.
I still think I am going to research the anti-e meds I have to see what makes sense to start a very light protocol of. I miss those energized workouts I had LOL, and those must have been during a time my hormones were out of whack, because those "intense" workouts were not that long ago. That is what I keep telling myself
Sparkss
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9/8 Back/Bis
Bent Over DB Row (UH grip)..................105/20, 145/15, 15, 15
Landmines SS..........................................65/(15,20), (15,20), (15,20)
Standing BB Curl......................................65/12, 12, 12
..Superset
Back Hyper Extensions............................20/30, 30, 30
Concentration Curls.................................30/12, 12, 12
Another day with only a small window within which to workout, and another crazy morning for work. I am still on a conference call that started first thing this morning (4 hours later). For a week w/o a Monday this week sure has a lot of Mondays.
Bent Over DB Row (UH grip)..................105/20, 145/15, 15, 15
Landmines SS..........................................65/(15,20), (15,20), (15,20)
Standing BB Curl......................................65/12, 12, 12
..Superset
Back Hyper Extensions............................20/30, 30, 30
Concentration Curls.................................30/12, 12, 12
Another day with only a small window within which to workout, and another crazy morning for work. I am still on a conference call that started first thing this morning (4 hours later). For a week w/o a Monday this week sure has a lot of Mondays.
Sparkss
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I read about "bloat from high estrogen" (usually when on a PH, like Trest, IIRC). But how "high" are they talking about? How does my 47.4 pg/mL compare to that? I know I am outside of the "normal" range for a male, but how far outside is normally needed to start seeing high E2 sides? I know everyone is different, but is there there a mean average high end? I just want to know how close I am to that, since I don't think I am bloated or any of the other high E2 symptoms. But maybe I am and am just "used" to it (especially my spare tire, specifically my flanks)
Sparkss
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9/9 Chest/Tris
Incline DB Bench Press...........................30/20, 40/15, 12, 12, 12
Flat DB Bench Press...............................40/15, 15, 15, 15
Incline DB Pull Over................................40/9, 12, 12, 10
Incline Overhead Tri Ext..........................30/15, 10, 10, 10
Another short day today. Work is killing me (13+ hour days, eating at my desk, no real breaks outside of "forced" bio breaks). I rearranged my workouts this week for a variety of reasons, the main one right now is due to my shoulders (mainly my traps) feeling like I just crushed a massive shoulder workout, even though I have not exercised my shoulders in well over a week. So I pushed my back and then chest workouts up in the schedule.
I also have been compressing my workouts due to time constraints. I noticed (not surprisingly) that when I reduce my inter-rep rest periods that the total # of reps (and sometimes weight) goes down. Which is better for adaptation (hypertrophy)? Longer rest + more reps/more weight? or shorter rest periods and less reps/less weights?
Incline DB Bench Press...........................30/20, 40/15, 12, 12, 12
Flat DB Bench Press...............................40/15, 15, 15, 15
Incline DB Pull Over................................40/9, 12, 12, 10
Incline Overhead Tri Ext..........................30/15, 10, 10, 10
Another short day today. Work is killing me (13+ hour days, eating at my desk, no real breaks outside of "forced" bio breaks). I rearranged my workouts this week for a variety of reasons, the main one right now is due to my shoulders (mainly my traps) feeling like I just crushed a massive shoulder workout, even though I have not exercised my shoulders in well over a week. So I pushed my back and then chest workouts up in the schedule.
I also have been compressing my workouts due to time constraints. I noticed (not surprisingly) that when I reduce my inter-rep rest periods that the total # of reps (and sometimes weight) goes down. Which is better for adaptation (hypertrophy)? Longer rest + more reps/more weight? or shorter rest periods and less reps/less weights?