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That's homeland security, not the army/marines/navy/airforce.
 

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That's homeland security, not the army/marines/navy/airforce.
That's what's even more interesting. DHS has a very small minority of armed personnel, that being the case why do they need all of that ammo, and armored vehicles?
 
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They are getting ready for massive civil unrest and the Patriots are being targeted as the new "domestic terrorist." You will see more propaganda associating the patriot and liberty groups with racist groups that they are "dangerous." The SPLC has started to lead this charge. The patriot groups have nothing in common with the KKK, but they are consitutionalist and therefore a "threat." Look at all the "training" exercises in urban areas firing blank rounds from helicopters and small arms like in Miami, Canergie High School in Houston, LA etc. They call this "familiarization" so people start getting used to it.

Better start preparing if you haven't yet...
 
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F*** THE GOVERNMENT
 
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Regardless of your side of the aisle, I hope you back Rand Paul. His crusade on Drones was historic. And his own party kicking him after the fact.

Useless ass McCain and Graham.
 
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An interesting article in Forbes highlighting Homeland Security's purchase of enough ammo to run a 20 year long hot war or sustain 100 years of target practice ( the relevance of modern weapons in 100 years?) along with new armored vehicles and cons$50, 000, 000 spent on new uniforms.


1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation - Forbes


The title is a reference to Buffalo Springfield
I remember DHS purchased 1.6 bullets for domestic use which I reported it a year ago in one of my threads. Its actually old news, but with the good work of people mainstream is forcing to cover it...although they will twist and bend it to soften the blow. I saw recently there was a 2,000 tank purchase for domestic use as well....along with all the thousands of drones going in our skys, slowly being armed as well.

You should look into the FEMA camps and determent centers going up across the country.
 

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Regardless of your side of the aisle, I hope you back Rand Paul. His crusade on Drones was historic. And his own party kicking him after the fact.

Useless ass McCain and Graham.
I understand where you're coming from, and what appears to be the case, but I don't think it's quite what it seems.

His 13 hour - or however long it was - grandstand was nothing more than a show, I'd surmise. It was good publicity for his future endeavors but did nothing to solve the problem.

He wanted to know if you could use a drone strike to kill a US citizen, on US soil, unprovoked (assassination style). Eventually the reply came back -

During his 13 hours on the Senate floor, Paul repeatedly asked whether Obama believed he had the authority to kill an American, on U.S. soil, who was not “actively attacking” America. The question prompted Holder to respond. “Dear Senator Paul,” Holder said in a 43-word letter. “It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: ‘Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’ The answer to that question is no.” Holder didn't use the phrase “actively attacking.” And administration officials privately agreed on Friday that “not engaged in combat” was the key phrase going forward. None of them agreed to define the expression on the record.

You have to realize with the expansion of "cyber terrorist" you could actively be "attacking", AKA "engaged in combat", by being a "cyber terrorist" if you were on a computer. You could also be "engaged in combat" by talking on the phone, giving the "enemy" information.

What I also have not heard anyone bring up, which is even more troubling than using drones to assassinate Americans, during this entire "American on American Soil" debate, is the Posse Comitatus Act. The military is not allowed to operate on American soil regardless, why are they asking if the military can use a drone to do it?

Obviously from Holders response, the military can assassinate American's, when they're engaged in combat, whatever that may be.

Back to Rand Paul - Like anyone else - he has good points, and he says a lot of things I agree with. But you have to remember the game is rigged, and voting for the next president of the corrupt casino is not going to help change the odds in your favor. The system is broken and continues to decline, regardless of the R or D we have sitting in the white house. You're allowed to vote so you can keep hoping the next guy will solve the problems, don't get discouraged, the next one will solve the problem! Keep voting.. We'll get there. Except that's historically inaccurate. The decline continues on the downward path, and by participating you're only spending your energy where it's hopeless.

Find the solution outside of the corruption.
 
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What I also have not heard anyone bring up, which is even more troubling than using drones to assassinate Americans, during this entire "American on American Soil" debate, is the Posse Comitatus Act. The military is not allowed to operate on American soil regardless, why are they asking if the military can use a drone to do it?
Keep in mind, drones are also being used by law enforcement agencies, and will be so much more in the future.
 

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Keep in mind, drones are also being used by law enforcement agencies, and will be so much more in the future.
No doubt though that's a state issue, except for any regulations the FFA imposes. No one would even consider a police drone being allowed to shoot a rocket at someone. The Federal Government murders people world wide though, with impunity.
 
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No doubt though that's a state issue, except for any regulations the FFA imposes. No one would even consider a police drone being allowed to shoot a rocket at someone. The Federal Government murders people world wide though, with impunity.
You also have homeland security which they will over-ride any State rights with no problem. Obama can check off his kill list and have homeland security run the strikes therefore not violating Posse Comitatus Act so his actions would be slightly less illegal, lol
 

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You also have homeland security which they will over-ride any State rights with no problem. Obama can check off his kill list and have homeland security run the strikes therefore not violating Posse Comitatus Act so his actions would be slightly less illegal, lol
I think we've circled back around to why the DHS needs 2 billion rounds of ammo.

Remember the "citizens military" Obama talked about in 2008?

TSA has been trying to expand for a while now, they're testing VIPR teams and the DHS is buying the equipment needed to arm them.
 
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This build up is in preparation of
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Tex, I'll check out the article later but does it say the funding will be spread divided amongst its agencies? CBP, ICE, USCG ect
 

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Tex, I'll check out the article later but does it say the funding will be spread divided amongst its agencies? CBP, ICE, USCG ect
No, though the omission could be intentional media bs.
 

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The uniform money was for TSA uniforms, I've read reported elsewhere.

The ammo was purchased by the DHS through a purchase order, that's how the media found out since government agencies have to let the public bid on contracts, it was publicly posted.

So theoretically they could be allocating the ammo to any of their agencies, but the DHS has a minimal amount of personnel that carry guns, at least in the scope of such a large number of ammo purchased.
 

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When you look at all of the puzzle pieces - new uniforms, huge amounts of ammo, armored personnel carriers and THIS -

w w w theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/19/company-with-ties-to-the-federal-govt-designs-unsettling-targets-for-law-enforcement-community/

Company With Ties to the Federal Gov’t Designs Unsettling Targets for Law Enforcement Community

“What if I told you police in your town could desensitize themselves to the idea of shooting a (armed) child, pregnant woman, or young mother, for just a couple of bucks?” Reason’s Mike Riggs asks.

“Considering that the company has landed $5.5 million worth of contracts with the federal government,” Riggs notes, “it might also be interesting to know if these targets are being used by federal law enforcement agents.”


It's painting an interesting picture.
 

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I figured there would be a logical explanation. Does the DHS act as a purchasing department for various organizations typically?

I don't usually get wrapped up in conspiracies but Forbes isn't exactly a paranoid corner of the internet or the New York times. I hope they don't turn to dirt reporting.
 
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The uniform money was for TSA uniforms, I've read reported elsewhere.

The ammo was purchased by the DHS through a purchase order, that's how the media found out since government agencies have to let the public bid on contracts, it was publicly posted.

So theoretically they could be allocating the ammo to any of their agencies, but the DHS has a minimal amount of personnel that carry guns, at least in the scope of such a large number of ammo purchased.
I figured there would be a logical explanation. Does the DHS act as a purchasing department for various organizations typically?

I don't usually get wrapped up in conspiracies but Forbes isn't exactly a paranoid corner of the internet or the New York times. I hope they don't turn to dirt reporting.
I don't see it as that huge of a deal. There's numerous law endorcement agencies within DHS. DHS isn't arming itself as a department, but arming its agencies-as they should.

-United States Citizenship and Immigration Services
-U.S. Customs and Border Protection
-Federal Emergency Management Agency
-U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
-Transportation Security Administration
-United States Coast Guard
-National Protection and Programs Directorate
-United States Secret Service

I could see how that funding could be rightfully spread through those agencies. "100 years of target practice" Sure, 100 cumulative years. Not 100 years for each individual agency. Especially for the different types of weapons they're armed with. I haven't read the article yet but from how it sounds, it seems the media just twisted everything.
 

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I don't see it as that huge of a deal. There's numerous law endorcement agencies within DHS. DHS isn't arming itself as a department, but arming its agencies-as they should.

-United States Citizenship and Immigration Services
-U.S. Customs and Border Protection
-Federal Emergency Management Agency
-U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
-Transportation Security Administration
-United States Coast Guard
-National Protection and Programs Directorate
-United States Secret Service

I could see how that funding could be rightfully spread through those agencies. "100 years of target practice" Sure, 100 cumulative years. Not 100 years for each individual agency. Especially for the different types of weapons they're armed with. I haven't read the article yet but from how it sounds, it seems the media just twisted everything.
Now that you've looked up the agencies in the DHS, look up which agencies have officers that can carry guns, and how many total officers they have that carry.
 

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Now that you've looked up the agencies in the DHS, look up which agencies have officers that can carry guns, and how many total officers they have that carry.
I think he's in the Coast Guard himself.

That doesn't seem so ridiculous split between all those agencies. Given target practice it doesn't leave an absurd amount of stock. I just wish they'd save some for us. 7.62x39 is hard enough to find and I've got hogs to kill.
 
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Texas is correct, though I'm sure our ammo is funded through DOD. All those agencies carry on a daily basis except FEMA and Citizenship & Immigration services. Not a lot in TSA obviously
 

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I think he's in the Coast Guard himself.

That doesn't seem so ridiculous split between all those agencies. Given target practice it doesn't leave an absurd amount of stock. I just wish they'd save some for us. 7.62x39 is hard enough to find and I've got hogs to kill.
For ALL of the agencies that fall under the DHS, there is 120,000 agents/officers that carry guns. That 1.6 billion is an old number, as of right now the total ammo count is just over 2 billion.

Ignoring the fact that they purchased mostly 40 cal hollow point (which is illegal in war) and pointless in target practice compared to cheaper ball ammo.

120,000 divided by 2 billion is 16,666 rounds per person.
 

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Texas is correct, though I'm sure our ammo is funded through DOD. All those agencies carry on a daily basis except FEMA and Citizenship & Immigration services. Not a lot in TSA obviously
Without bothering to look up the other agencies, TSA does NOT carry firearms.
 
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There's nothing to look up. I know people in ICE and CBP. Of course they carry. Where the hell is all this ammo going lol All I'm saying is that there's more to it.
 
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For ALL of the agencies that fall under the DHS, there is 120,000 agents/officers that carry guns. That 1.6 billion is an old number, as of right now the total ammo count is just over 2 billion.

Ignoring the fact that they purchased mostly 40 cal hollow point (which is illegal in war) and pointless in target practice compared to cheaper ball ammo.

120,000 divided by 2 billion is 16,666 rounds per person.
Then divide up for M16, M4, M240B, Sig 40s, Glocks, FNs, training ammunition, ammunition for whatever academy, lot numbers kept in storage, ammunition givin to police departments through federal funding ect ect ect. We can play numbers all day long. We still don't know all the facts. I just don't want people to be so quick to jump on conspiracy theories and going to war.
 
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I think he's in the Coast Guard himself.

That doesn't seem so ridiculous split between all those agencies. Given target practice it doesn't leave an absurd amount of stock. I just wish they'd save some for us. 7.62x39 is hard enough to find and I've got hogs to kill.
I haven't blasted some 7.62 in a while.

My buddy owns some land there in Texas in bumfuk no where. He hires a helicopter to blast hogs from the sky...I'm jealous
 
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I haven't blasted some 7.62 in a while.

My buddy owns some land there in Texas in bumfuk no where. He hires a helicopter to blast hogs from the sky...I'm jealous
Oh god...that sounds like fun, Im jealous too, lol
 
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For ALL of the agencies that fall under the DHS, there is 120,000 agents/officers that carry guns. That 1.6 billion is an old number, as of right now the total ammo count is just over 2 billion.

Ignoring the fact that they purchased mostly 40 cal hollow point (which is illegal in war) and pointless in target practice compared to cheaper ball ammo.

120,000 divided by 2 billion is 16,666 rounds per person.
As far as Im concerned, DHS shouldnt exist in the first place as well as most of these other big government agencies. That alone I don't think they should even get 1 bullet.

I support old fashioned police work on a local and state level, should end there. Of course we also have our National Guard on hand and they should be taken very well care of as well.
 
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As far as Im concerned, DHS shouldnt exist in the first place as well as most of these other big government agencies.
Did you feel that way before 2003 when DHS didn't exist but all the other agencies still did but under other departments?
 
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Did you feel that way before 2003 when DHS didn't exist but all the other agencies still did but under other departments?
Yes...I dont believe in big government. Alot of other agencies that did exist prior to 2003 I dont agree with either. Im a firm believer in small government, and a right to bear arms.

This is just getting into politics though, and how goverment should be run.
 
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Yes...I dont believe in big government. Alot of other agencies that did exist prior to 2003 I dont agree with either. Im a firm believer in small government, and a right to bear arms.

This is just getting into politics though, and how goverment should be run.
Just making sure you weren't one of those people thinking DHS is some big new thing lol
 
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Just making sure you weren't one of those people thinking DHS is some big new thing lol
Dont get me wrong either...Im all for the idea of "homeland security," I just think our local, sheriff and state police should handle the responsibility and condense the budget so they are well equipped (and well payed) instead of having huge government department which lead to larger bureaucracy (if that makes sense, lol.)

Having people (voluntarily, and law abiding type of course) stocking up on arms, being well trained and prepared is a huge contribution to homeland security as well. Too many strict gun laws, I have a clean record pay my taxes but Im not allowed to have a concealed here in NY.
 
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That's what's even more interesting. DHS has a very small minority of armed personnel, that being the case why do they need all of that ammo, and armored vehicles?
ok...as a gun owner myself, that tells me that i need to do some stockpiling of ammo also!!!
 

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ok...as a gun owner myself, that tells me that i need to do some stockpiling of ammo also!!!
That's another problem... Good luck finding any to stock pile.

Here's a video for everyone to watch, the DHS has been asked WHY they need this stuff, they won't answer.

youtube - youtu.be/HbfjxjpKoR8
 

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DHS is now purchasing an additional 360,000 rounds of hollow point ammo.

“Commercial leaded training ammo (CLTA) Pistol .40 caliber 165 grain, jacketed hollow point.”

Why "TRAIN" with hollow points? It's bull**** - not for training.
 
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DHS Seeks Millions More Rounds of Ammunition

Market survey asks companies if they can provide 2 million bullets within 30-60 day period

Paul Joseph Watson
May 3, 2013


The Department of Homeland Security has released a market survey asking companies if they are able to provide 2 million rounds of ammunition within a short time period, increasing concerns that the federal agency is continuing its arms build up in preparation for domestic unrest​

With the DHS already having committed to purchasing over 1.6 billion bullets over the course of the last year, a “request for information” on “reduced hazard training ammunition” posted on the FedBizOpps website quizzes bullet manufacturers on how fast they can supply large quantities of ammo;


- Are you capable of producing large quantity orders of any training caliber specified with a short turnaround time of 30-60 days?

- What would your lead time be for an order of 2 million rounds of a single type listed above?

- If you were awarded a contract for some of the calibers listed above, submitted a production lot of one million rounds and that lot or portion of the lot was not accepted, would you be able to replace that order with an additional one million rounds within 60 days?

The DHS’s apparent urge to find companies that can supply them with millions of rounds of ammunition within a short time frame will do little to calm concerns that the federal agency is making contingency plans for riots or some form of social dislocation.

The federal agency’s need to find companies that can commit to manufacturing large quantities of bullets quickly also lends credence to claimsmade by a firearms manufacturer who called into the Michael Savage show in March that the DHS is trying to exhaust ammunition supplies as part of an end run around the Second Amendment.

Ammunition is becoming increasingly scarce, with gun stores across the nation forced to resort to bullet rationing in an attempt to satisfy as many customers as they can, while some police departments are having to barter between themselves to meet demand.

The market survey also indicates that the DHS is interested in purchasing ammunition that will safely fragment when fired against an “armor steel plate,” which will only serve to stoke fears that the feds are gearing up to use the ammunition in an offensive manner.

Despite official denials backed up by unquestioning media reports that the DHS is buying an abnormal amount of bullets, the Government Accountability Office announced earlier this week that an investigation of the purchases is “just getting underway.”
 
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Rand Paul 2016. I hope they're buying ammo to just dry up the supply, and not start another civil war
 

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