Answered Solving low e2 and high prolactin using caber and hcg

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ok so i have high prolactin and was hesitant about taking caber because i am worried it will intensify my panic attacks.

But i would also like my libido to be normal in a few days time. I was thinking of trying 0.25mg.
Am I wasting my time trying to recover my libido with caber in 3-4 days?

And would it make my anxiety much worse?

i would appreciate your response guys i am tired of being impotent.
e2 is ok (33 pg/ml) and test is over 1000 ng/dl.

proviron and cialis do not help. desire is just not there.
 
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I think it would do the opposite, since it's dopamine agonist, in terms of your anxiety
 
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IT shouldn’t no. The brain is a strong thing though so just thinking about it while you take it could make you anxious. What gear are you taking I’m curious???
 
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ok so i have high prolactin and was hesitant about taking caber because i am worried it will intensify my panic attacks.

But i would also like my libido to be normal in a few days time. I was thinking of trying 0.25mg.
Am I wasting my time trying to recover my libido with caber in 3-4 days?

And would it make my anxiety much worse?

i would appreciate your response guys i am tired of being impotent.
e2 is ok (33 pg/ml) and test is over 1000 ng/dl.

proviron and cialis do not help. desire is just not there.
Can you post your actual bloodwork? What did you prolactin numbers come up as? How long have you been on TRT? How much test are you using to put you over 1000 ng? This is all kinda vague.
 

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Can you post your actual bloodwork? What did you prolactin numbers come up as? How long have you been on TRT? How much test are you using to put you over 1000 ng? This is all kinda vague.
Maybe i could try maca?
i can get it up using my hand lol but i dont feel horny.

i am currently blasting hcg and exogenous test is tapering out of my system.
 

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So i am a moron for crashing e2 again
and look at the damn hematocrit! sob went up from 0.47 in 7 days.
i took 0.25mg caber and injected 1000 iu of hcg in hopes of restoring my e2.

is there any hope of restoring my libido at least minimally in 3 days?
 

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i will be meeting my friend with benefits after a long time.
Ohhhh.
Yeah, it should improve. How much is really individual.
If you have any DHT compounds, I'd also add that.
 

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i am keeping my fingers crossed. i am taking 50 mg/day of proviron.

we will see.
 

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i believe hcg aromatization largely bypasses the ai's mechanism of action as it mostly happens in the testes. Am i correct?
 

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wtf? its been 3 hours since my caber dose of 0.25mg and my anxiety is easily halved.
 

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What would be a more natural alternative to caber? p5p or vitamin e?
 
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What would be a more natural alternative to caber? p5p or vitamin e?
A mucuna extract with ecgc will be the best natural route for prolactin control. Do not take with or along side b6/p5p.

Prolactrone, by BLR is one of the best natural prolactin reducing supplements on the market. There are logs and blood tests showing it is effective at reducing prolactin even when taking tren/deca.
 
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You prolactin converts to 16.1 ng/ml which is on the HIGH END OF NORMAL. No reason to throw caber at it b6 would have been just fine. Just curious what else did you run?
 

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You prolactin converts to 16.1 ng/ml which is on the HIGH END OF NORMAL. No reason to throw caber at it b6 would have been just fine. Just curious what else did you run?
Test and masteron.
How long do you guys reckon it would take to get prolactin to mid range taking 0.25 mg caber 2x per week?

Edit: Ok so this must be placebo since i only took 0.25mg caber about 10 hours ago, but i am getting worked up seeing a hot girl a bit, not to the extent i used to, but it hasnt been like this in a looong time.
 
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Test and masteron.
How long do you guys reckon it would take to get prolactin to mid range taking 0.25 mg caber 2x per week?
It should be fine in a couple weeks. Next time have some b6 on hand. I was just curious if you had run some long ester Trest or deca. Those metabolites can linger for months!!
 

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It should be fine in a couple weeks. Next time have some b6 on hand. I was just curious if you had run some long ester Trest or deca. Those metabolites can linger for months!!
I think i may go with prolactrone.

However, i wont be running gear till next spring, but i am planning to run 200mg tren ace per week for a portion of that cycle, so i will definitely need to control prolactin.
 
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You sure tren is a good idea bro? I really just wanna be a friend here... you’re paranoid about everything aren’t you scared of how tren is gonna treat you?
 

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You sure tren is a good idea bro? I really just wanna be a friend here... you’re paranoid about everything aren’t you scared of how tren is gonna treat you?
We will see and i agree with you.
however, i wanna do a lean bulk/recomp cycle and maybe i wont do steroids after that, life may take a very different route next year.

I am very interested to try it but of course i will quit if shtf. Its tren ace, a short ester.

Steroids as a whole are probably not for me. Common sense says that for us who dont make a living out of this they are totally unnecessary, damaging our bodies for a bit "better" look and for more plates on either side of the bar.

But it is what it is. We dont always make the brightest decisions. And i never said i was particularly clever,

You see, i really like results i get from gear. And i dont mind injecting at all. In fact, i am a sick fuk who looks forward to injecting. And the process itself of brewing gear, mixing hcg/peps is interesting to me. I feel like a scientist lol. And i am proud of myself that i managed to brew PIPless gear for my first cycle! And that i didnt get an infection.
 
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I think i may go with prolactrone.

However, i wont be running gear till next spring, but i am planning to run 200mg tren ace per week for a portion of that cycle, so i will definitely need to control prolactin.
Brother tren has zero conversion to estrogen. You cannot get gyno especially prolactin gyno in the presence of low estrogen. Just because your running a 19 nor does not mean you need a prolactin antagonist. Just keep estrogen in check. Don’t just start running prami or caber with tren. You need to do more research then depending on “on the fly” remedies and recommendations. DO MORE RESEARCH!! Get pharma AI’s and Serms and take the guesswork out of your cycles. It’s great that your doing bloodwork that’s the first step.
 

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Brother tren has zero conversion to estrogen. You cannot get gyno especially prolactin gyno in the presence of low estrogen. Just because your running a 19 nor does not mean you need a prolactin antagonist. Just keep estrogen in check. Don’t just start running prami or caber with tren. You need to do more research then depending on “on the fly” remedies and recommendations. DO MORE RESEARCH!! Get pharma AI’s and Serms and take the guesswork out of your cycles. It’s great that your doing bloodwork that’s the first step.
Of course that i am not going to start taking caber before checking my prolactin. Bloodwork comes first. I made enough mistakes during this cycle, crashing estrogen 3 times believing it is causing me libido issues when in fact it was prolactin that was/is causing issues.

Everything i have (ai, serms, caber, test e, proviron), except for homebrew gear, is from a pharmacy.
 
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Of course that i am not going to start taking caber before checking my prolactin. Bloodwork comes first. I made enough mistakes during this cycle, crashing estrogen 3 times believing it is causing me libido issues when in fact it was prolactin that was/is causing issues.

Everything i have (ai, serms, caber, test e, proviron), except for homebrew gear, is from a pharmacy.
That’s what’s up! Always get prolactin tested when running tren because it gives false off the chart estrogen readings. So you won’t be able to go by just e2. Let me know if there is anything else you need.
 

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I am also starting to get hyperactive.
Yep, 12 hours post first dose and libido has already improved.
And i cant sleep. Great.
 
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This is insane guys. Woke up today, morning wood is here and libido is like 75% back, despite crashed estrogen.

Caber is some good stuff. And only 0.25 mg.
 

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Damn it guys! Pipe failed me again!
I should hwve known better when i woke up today with weak wood and no libido. Estrogen must have risen from that 1000 iu hcg shot i did on thursday, because all i wanted was to talk to her. And now I just want to watch my favourite tv show.

She said she is going to give me one more chance. Damn it! This time i am going to time my caber dose, gonna take it exactly 24 hours prior to our meeting, also going to take aromasin, 50mg proviron, 5mg cialis, even contemplating on shooting tren ace hahaha (ok i wont do that i am just kidding).

I am starting to believe that i am perhaps becoming asexual, with occassional spurts of libido. But damn yesterday i was popping randoms and would have destroyed her. And today no libido and a limp noodle.
 
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Personally man I think you have mental ED. Go read about it. Maybe You don’t have any problem but you put yourself into so much stress before sex and you wanna perform so bad and you’re thinking so bad about having an erection that you don’t.
 

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Its a daily dose besides, caber already lowered my blood pressure so i dont want to risk it.
The problem is definitely hormonal but then again it is also psychological (which probably stems from my hormonal picture am, because i can either be mellow like this or a mean motherfukker, like i was on masteron).

I just cant seem to get hard with her (but i wouldnt be able to do with any other girl too). I dont have the "feels" for her as i would have for a girlfriend, but it is weird. I somehow connect strangely to her, i start to feel like a father/protector (damn i dont know how to say it better) and i get overly emotional (not like i want to cry but like a father would be talking to his daughter).
 

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Personally man I think you have mental ED. Go read about it. Maybe You don’t have any problem but you put yourself into so much stress before sex and you wanna perform so bad and you’re thinking so bad about having an erection that you don’t.
I just want to experience an orgasm finally after all this time.
but you are right, it is partly psychological, i am crazy emotional today.
 
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Is it working when you’re alone and you’re doing your thing or it’s the same??
 

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Is it working when you’re alone and you’re doing your thing or it’s the same??
No. Currently cant get it up using my hand. I could yesterday lol.

i actually dont jack off, never did, as i hate how drained i feel after ejaculating. I just try to get it hard to see where i am at.

i am telling you man, yesterday i was horny as fuk, popping randoms and today i woke up with very weak wood and no libido. I am 99% certain that 1000 iu of hcg 2 days ago spiked my estro up, over the desired range.
 
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No. Currently cant get it up using my hand. I could yesterday lol.

i actually dont jack off, never did, as i hate how drained i feel after ejaculating. I just try to get it hard to see where i am at.

i am telling you man, yesterday i was horny as fuk, popping randoms and today i woke up with very weak wood and no libido. I am 99% certain that 1000 iu of hcg 2 days ago spiked my estro up, over the desired range.
How old r u man.?
 

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22 but i always had low testosterone and libido naturally.
except for when i was like 15 years old,
 
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22 only and taking steri ods already wow! And I assume you started earlier.. not sure how you concluded you had low test naturally and libido, i think all the stuff you taken over time has contributed.. you have to decide going forward whats important to you..
 

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22 only and taking steri ods already wow! And I assume you started earlier.. not sure how you concluded you had low test naturally and libido, i think all the stuff you taken over time has contributed.. you have to decide going forward whats important to you..
It is what it is, i am definitely aware of what i have put myself into.
not going to cry about it and not crying about it. Just trying to solve the problem in the most efficient way as possible.

Low test? Hmm... i gues i confirmed it with with bloodwork😀
it was in the 300s on 3 occassions so i said eff it. Besides, i said if i am going to do them better now when i am in tip health than when i am older and cardiovascuklr system is deteriorating with age.

However, after only 10 days of hcg my balls are back to full size as they were before cycle.
 

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And lets be real guys. Me being 22 is not an issue. I am in my prime.
The problem is that i failed to manage the drugs correctly, which in this case is not accounting for the potential elevation of prolactin.

Its not like these drugs turned against me, they just do x, y and z. They may affect people differently, but pretty much the info is out there.

And had i taken caber immediately when i bought it instead of chickening out, the problem would have been sorted by now.
 
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And lets be real guys. Me being 22 is not an issue. I am in my prime.
The problem is that i failed to manage the drugs correctly, which in this case is not accounting for the potential elevation of prolactin.

Its not like these drugs turned against me, they just do x, y and z. They may affect people differently, but pretty much the info is out there.

And had i taken caber immediately when i bought it instead of chickening out, the problem would have been sorted by now.
I understand what your saying at 22 and prime why take drugs when you can be natural?? Sounds like you wanted to impress girls.. most ppl on forums are in late 30s when testerone reduces hence reasons.. anyway good luck with solution
 

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I am going to try one more thing, pt 141. If that doesnt work, i am going to tell her straight to face that she should find someone else since she is wasting her time with me.

Took 0.125mg caber 4 hours ago and i am already starting to get a little horny. It seems that effect lasts up to around 36 hours after my caber dose and then i lose my libido again.
 

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